Why has Anet not changed Factions and Prophecies to drop inscribable weapons? Dont get me wrong i prefer the old system made weapons alot more valuable when they have fixed damage mods. But why have 2 one way and 2 another way? I would like if all weapons changed to inscriabable, been saving this gold crystalline from prophesies hoping it will be inscribable some day.
What are your thoughts on this?
Why not have inscribable in all campains?
hellknight17
Chestnut
.... If a.net makes old weapons inscribible.. ALOT of people includeing myself.. will be VERY very angry.
the only weapons that have any real rareity and value are thoes that dont have inscription slots now.. Ie a req 8 or 9 Max damage Crystiline 15^50.. or a req 9 Platinum blade, or how about a req 8 or 9 Fellblade? I have all of these.. and if they where all of a sudden Inscribible.. my weapon colleciton which is quite large.. would lose millions in value.. I have a req 9 Non-inscribible Zodiac sword that I paid 300k for ... and when Inscribible ones came out, it made its value worth even more.. but a req 9 inscribible zodiac only goes for like 100k or so or less.. when my 15^50 non-inscribe is still worth quite a bit.
They had better *NOT* change it.
the only weapons that have any real rareity and value are thoes that dont have inscription slots now.. Ie a req 8 or 9 Max damage Crystiline 15^50.. or a req 9 Platinum blade, or how about a req 8 or 9 Fellblade? I have all of these.. and if they where all of a sudden Inscribible.. my weapon colleciton which is quite large.. would lose millions in value.. I have a req 9 Non-inscribible Zodiac sword that I paid 300k for ... and when Inscribible ones came out, it made its value worth even more.. but a req 9 inscribible zodiac only goes for like 100k or so or less.. when my 15^50 non-inscribe is still worth quite a bit.
They had better *NOT* change it.
Dzan
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Originally Posted by Chestnut
.... If a.net makes old weapons inscribible.. ALOT of people includeing myself.. will be VERY very angry.
the only weapons that have any real rareity and value are thoes that dont have inscription slots now.. Ie a req 8 or 9 Max damage Crystiline 15^50.. or a req 9 Platinum blade, or how about a req 8 or 9 Fellblade? I have all of these.. and if they where all of a sudden Inscribible.. my weapon colleciton which is quite large.. would lose millions in value.. I have a req 9 Non-inscribible Zodiac sword that I paid 300k for ... and when Inscribible ones came out, it made its value worth even more.. but a req 9 inscribible zodiac only goes for like 100k or so or less.. when my 15^50 non-inscribe is still worth quite a bit. They had better *NOT* change it. |
Snow Bunny
This thread was already made.
It already became a flame-fest, a lot of which unfortunately ended up targeting Herb.
And from that thread it can be concluded a lot of people are bitter both ways, and that the GW community as a whole is split on this.
GG
Next time, please search before you start another thread...
It already became a flame-fest, a lot of which unfortunately ended up targeting Herb.
And from that thread it can be concluded a lot of people are bitter both ways, and that the GW community as a whole is split on this.
GG
Next time, please search before you start another thread...
GODh
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.... If a.net makes old weapons inscribible.. ALOT of people includeing myself.. will be VERY very angry.
the only weapons that have any real rareity and value are thoes that dont have inscription slots now.. Ie a req 8 or 9 Max damage Crystiline 15^50.. or a req 9 Platinum blade, or how about a req 8 or 9 Fellblade? I have all of these.. and if they where all of a sudden Inscribible.. my weapon colleciton which is quite large.. would lose millions in value.. I have a req 9 Non-inscribible Zodiac sword that I paid 300k for ... and when Inscribible ones came out, it made its value worth even more.. but a req 9 inscribible zodiac only goes for like 100k or so or less.. when my 15^50 non-inscribe is still worth quite a bit. They had better *NOT* change it. |
I will have 30 warrior heroes soon (all 10 profs with 3 warrior heroes each), so the price of req8 15^50 crystallines cant drop fast enough for me.
bilateralrope
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Originally Posted by Chestnut
.... If a.net makes old weapons inscribible.. ALOT of people includeing myself.. will be VERY very angry.
the only weapons that have any real rareity and value are thoes that dont have inscription slots now.. Ie a req 8 or 9 Max damage Crystiline 15^50.. or a req 9 Platinum blade, or how about a req 8 or 9 Fellblade? I have all of these.. and if they where all of a sudden Inscribible.. my weapon colleciton which is quite large.. would lose millions in value.. I have a req 9 Non-inscribible Zodiac sword that I paid 300k for ... and when Inscribible ones came out, it made its value worth even more.. but a req 9 inscribible zodiac only goes for like 100k or so or less.. when my 15^50 non-inscribe is still worth quite a bit. They had better *NOT* change it. |
1 - Be reasonably valuable now.
2 - Not have an inscribible version drop anywhere farmable. The HoH chest won't count here
3 - Have a high drop rate of non-max weapons with that skin.
Lets take Crystalline swords as an example. Well its counts for 1 and 2, however I've never even seen one drop meaning even if it was inscribible, it would still be a rare and thus valuable skin. So its doesn't belong on the list.
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BLOODGOAT
Correct me if I'm wrong... but wouldn't ArenaNet have to completely rework the item dropping scheme of both Tyria and Cantha? The only feasible reason that I can see for EotN having inscribable weapons is that they used schematics similar to that of Nightfall, being that it was the most prior release and decided to implement it in the earlier development of the expansion. They didn't make it, release it, wait a year or two, then decide, "Hey, maybe we should include inscribable weapons in this too!" No, because then they would have to completely rework it which would take a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing LOT of time and would also include a hefty game update.
That said, it is just my theory.
That said, it is just my theory.
bilateralrope
Yes ANET would have to change the drop tables for every single monster in Prophesies and Factions. However because its the same change every time, then depending on how the drop tables are setup I see one of two possibilities:
- The drop tables were designed to allow such gamewide changes later, meaning its not as much work to change what items drop.
- The drop tables weren't designed for such changes meaning that they need to make the same change lots of times. So I'd expect someone to write up a script that goes through and makes all the changes.
The only changes I see required are:
- Creating something that can be put in the drop table for weapons without inscribible variants.
- Changing the drop tables to remove the non-inscribible entries replace it with the corresponding inscribible one.
These should also only be code changes, so I'd be surprised if they are a few mb in size.
Once that is done and tested, writing a script to retroactively change all existing items should be quite doable. It will just take longer than the one to change all armors did because it has a lot more items to change. They might need a large update so that no-one notices the script in action.
- The drop tables were designed to allow such gamewide changes later, meaning its not as much work to change what items drop.
- The drop tables weren't designed for such changes meaning that they need to make the same change lots of times. So I'd expect someone to write up a script that goes through and makes all the changes.
The only changes I see required are:
- Creating something that can be put in the drop table for weapons without inscribible variants.
- Changing the drop tables to remove the non-inscribible entries replace it with the corresponding inscribible one.
These should also only be code changes, so I'd be surprised if they are a few mb in size.
Once that is done and tested, writing a script to retroactively change all existing items should be quite doable. It will just take longer than the one to change all armors did because it has a lot more items to change. They might need a large update so that no-one notices the script in action.
mojave mango juice
Also, prophecies and factions weapons have modifiers that you cannot find in NF or EotN. What about 15% damage -1 health/energy regeneration, or +10 armour vs dwarves/ogres/dragons/etc. Or those elusive 15% always weapons...not only would they have to change the way items drop, they would have to add new inscriptions/nerf these weapons.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by hellknight17
Why has Anet not changed Factions and Prophecies to drop inscribable weapons?
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Or so I've heard.
ShadowsRequiem
Mass rioting
People would die.
People would die.
bilateralrope
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Originally Posted by mojave mango juice
Also, prophecies and factions weapons have modifiers that you cannot find in NF or EotN. What about 15% damage -1 health/energy regeneration,
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Instead of having the drop code call the code to generate a non-inscribible weapon, it goes and calls the one to generate an inscribible weapon like it does in Nightfall and GW:EN.
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HawkofStorms
Good grief, do we REALLY need to have this arguement again?
We all know your opinion bilateral. We all know mine and Herb's. Can we just stop having this conversation every time a forum scrub who doesn't use search suggests this? I don't think either side is ever going to be able to convince the other side, so lets just drop the discussion already.
We all know your opinion bilateral. We all know mine and Herb's. Can we just stop having this conversation every time a forum scrub who doesn't use search suggests this? I don't think either side is ever going to be able to convince the other side, so lets just drop the discussion already.
maraxusofk
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Originally Posted by hellknight17
I would like if all weapons changed to inscriabable, been saving this gold crystalline from prophesies hoping it will be inscribable some day.
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i love how the focus of ur starting statement is "im too cheap/poor to afford a real inscribable crystalline so anet please make one for me"
look, while i have no problem against making the weaposn that drop NOW inscribable, to change everything from the past to insribable is ridiculous. wut do the old school players who acquired 15>50 tyrians or r7 15>50 have to show for their time? nothing! nobody NEEDS 15>50 cyrstallines. if u want functionality, go to la or kamadan and buy a weapon wit inscription slot. wuts this, u can find a max dmg inscribable weapon for under 5k?!!?!?!?
keep everything as is. u hurt much more than help by changing old tyrian thigns inscribable because old players enjoy tyrian weapons and many casual gamers are happy with what they have. if a casual player wants a HIGH END hard to get item like a 15>50 crystalline, they should HAVE to work for it. if they jsut want to play game with max 15>50 items, there are more than enough out there.
i started this thread like 3 weeks ago and it got clsoed in like a week.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10183721
Dr Strangelove
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Good grief, do we REALLY need to have this arguement again?
We all know your opinion bilateral. We all know mine and Herb's. Can we just stop having this conversation every time a forum scrub who doesn't use search suggests this? I don't think either side is ever going to be able to convince the other side, so lets just drop the discussion already. |
You monsters!
manitoba1073
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Clearly it hasn't changed yet because you, Herb, and Malice have Gaile locked in your basement.
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And if you move close to inscribing them We'll torch the house. 
pork soldier
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I hope they change it just to make people like you have something to post angrily about here.
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Abedeus
/signed
They made armors same in all chapters inscribable, they should all weapons like that. I mean, why people farming in Nightfall should have better profits than Prophecies ones? Like I have a great Shadow Shield, that would really need a change from -2/enchanted to -5/20%. Or -2/stance. Sure, Im too poor/I dont want to waste cash on a same shield, that will cost 20k more than mine, just because it I didn't drop in DoA/RoT, but in FoW.
They made armors same in all chapters inscribable, they should all weapons like that. I mean, why people farming in Nightfall should have better profits than Prophecies ones? Like I have a great Shadow Shield, that would really need a change from -2/enchanted to -5/20%. Or -2/stance. Sure, Im too poor/I dont want to waste cash on a same shield, that will cost 20k more than mine, just because it I didn't drop in DoA/RoT, but in FoW.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by bilateralrope
Yes ANET would have to change the drop tables for every single monster in Prophesies and Factions. However because its the same change every time, then depending on how the drop tables are setup I see one of two possibilities:
- The drop tables were designed to allow such gamewide changes later, meaning its not as much work to change what items drop. - The drop tables weren't designed for such changes meaning that they need to make the same change lots of times. So I'd expect someone to write up a script that goes through and makes all the changes. |
Even if it was designed the other way, regular expresions are powerfull.
I would not excpet them to change xisting items thou, there is no point in doing that really.
It changing loot talbes is time consuming, they dont have to change all monsters, just endgame ones would do.
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Anyway, anet should change at least UW/FoW to get finally inscibable loot...
RhanoctJocosa
Gold un-inscribable crystalline swords, etc., are sentimental in most cases, whether the damage mod is desirable or not.
Change all current drops to inscribable: sure, but keep any pre-existing ones as they are.
Change all current drops to inscribable: sure, but keep any pre-existing ones as they are.
Shakkara
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Originally Posted by Chestnut
.... If a.net makes old weapons inscribible.. ALOT of people includeing myself.. will be VERY very angry.
the only weapons that have any real rareity and value are thoes that dont have inscription slots now.. Ie a req 8 or 9 Max damage Crystiline 15^50.. or a req 9 Platinum blade, or how about a req 8 or 9 Fellblade? I have all of these.. and if they where all of a sudden Inscribible.. my weapon colleciton which is quite large.. would lose millions in value.. I have a req 9 Non-inscribible Zodiac sword that I paid 300k for ... and when Inscribible ones came out, it made its value worth even more.. but a req 9 inscribible zodiac only goes for like 100k or so or less.. when my 15^50 non-inscribe is still worth quite a bit. They had better *NOT* change it. |
MirkoTeran
Do we have to go trough all this every time someone doesn't use search before posting?
/vote for close.
/vote for close.
Wish Swiftdeath
Can we please please make shield moddable, it pisses my monk off big time(ie put in upgrades-wouldnt hurt anyone)
MithranArkanere
There is no need to keep this discussion.
People already voted.
Most non-inscribed weapons can be found in Nightfall and GW:EN inscribed.
PvP system is now inscription-based.
Only Tyria, Cantha and the realms of the gods are left out.
People want inscriptions. They should add inscriptions worldwide. End of story.
People already voted.
Most non-inscribed weapons can be found in Nightfall and GW:EN inscribed.
PvP system is now inscription-based.
Only Tyria, Cantha and the realms of the gods are left out.
People want inscriptions. They should add inscriptions worldwide. End of story.
upier
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Why has Anet not changed Factions and Prophecies to drop inscribable weapons?
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If I recall correctly that is the official answer - Gaile dropped it around here somewhere.
And we were told that such a change will not happen but will rather be only available in C3 (and GWEN obviously).
(but then again - doesn't the Deep/Urgy chest drop inscribable weapons?)
lyra_song
perhaps...
If your non-inscribable item has NO inscription counterpart like -2/-2 for shields or unconditional damage, it will become converted to inscribable, while weapons with existing inscribabale counterparts will not be change?
*shrug* just a suggestion.
i care less about the economy than i do about usability and game balance.
If your non-inscribable item has NO inscription counterpart like -2/-2 for shields or unconditional damage, it will become converted to inscribable, while weapons with existing inscribabale counterparts will not be change?
*shrug* just a suggestion.
i care less about the economy than i do about usability and game balance.
EternalTempest
One I *seek* for a weapon
I seek for something with an inscription. Aka I'm not in the market at all for un-inscribible weapons.
That being said, since Gwen weapon unlocks in Hall of Monuments are from Gwen campaign (for lack of a better term), I'm perfectly fine with keeping the systems in place as they are. If not keep the existing drops inscribible and new ones having inscription.
I seek for something with an inscription. Aka I'm not in the market at all for un-inscribible weapons.
That being said, since Gwen weapon unlocks in Hall of Monuments are from Gwen campaign (for lack of a better term), I'm perfectly fine with keeping the systems in place as they are. If not keep the existing drops inscribible and new ones having inscription.
Cebe
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Oofus
WARNING: Flame-Fest Inevitable.
Been here, done this..... dozens of times now.
Been here, done this..... dozens of times now.
Longasc
We already have inscribeable items drop in GWEN:
inscribeable...
Dwarven Axes
Platinum items (sickles, bows, swords, staves... en masse!)
Fellblades
Gloom Shields (from normal mobs)
Wyvern Blades
and Aureate Aegi from Collectors, with inscription slot.
So why do people fear that Tyria and Cantha get finally worthwhile loot with inscriptions?
The stuff already drops in GWEN en masse, no reason to leave Tyria and Cantha in the dust with cappy loot.
inscribeable...
Dwarven Axes
Platinum items (sickles, bows, swords, staves... en masse!)
Fellblades
Gloom Shields (from normal mobs)
Wyvern Blades
and Aureate Aegi from Collectors, with inscription slot.
So why do people fear that Tyria and Cantha get finally worthwhile loot with inscriptions?
The stuff already drops in GWEN en masse, no reason to leave Tyria and Cantha in the dust with cappy loot.
Count to Potato
alotta ppl have pride that there rarest items are uninscribable, which makes them rarer, doesn't really matter to me tho
The Herbalizer
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I hope they change it just to make people like you have something to post angrily about here.
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lool @ the guy saying he hopes they change it so his crappy cris sword is leetsauce. Agree with Maraxofk.
Gaile said existing non inscribable items are safe from them changing them. GG at cris owner hoping to get rich...
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Good grief, do we REALLY need to have this arguement again?
We all know your opinion bilateral. We all know mine and Herb's. Can we just stop having this conversation every time a forum scrub who doesn't use search suggests this? I don't think either side is ever going to be able to convince the other side, so lets just drop the discussion already. |
These threads always get closed.
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Inscribable items make The Herbaliser sad...
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Anet have never shown afaik the ability to change gold items. Only seen collectors, greens etc. Never seen gold unless I missed something. Maybe why uncon have never been changed. Although Anet have left items in game with no use as shown with HOD hammer, no req raven staff + ghostly, staff wrapping etc. Lots of grief with -1 inherent wep mods and dual reduction shields.
Tyria drops can be left alone too. 99% of them are core drops anyway so inscribable afaik. only non-core drop i can think of it forked sword but there is another one which cannot be inscribable. Maybe non-core tyria drops can drop from hoh chest which solves that problem. + forked swords are worth nothing so no problem poor affording. FOW + UW isnt tyria, just make the items which drop there also drop in inscribable places like eternal shield and magmas shield have, keeps poor people happy.
Anet should just add inscribable versions of non inscribable skins in GWEN or NF or something. That way keeps everyone happy. Casual people get inscrib and people who like non inscrib get well non inscrib.
Anyway, gaile said it wont happen to existing non inscrib items so its all good.
Dr Strangelove
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Anet should just add inscribable versions of non inscribable skins in GWEN or NF or something. That way keeps everyone happy. Casual people get inscrib and people who like non inscrib get well non inscrib.
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It's a moot point anyway, because mass access to usable weapons will create a miniature black hole that will suck Anet servers into an infinitely small, infinitely dense point of matter.
That's right, it will suck more than mending wammos.
Jeremy Untouchable
I have said it before and here it is again. What we need is for all drops to be insribable when GW:EN goes live. Then put a NPC in all the hub towns so players can insrib a old weapon for a fee. (1k I would think.) The insrcibing would make the weapon customised to that player. End of problem. LEET skins with perfect mods stay unchanged. Any old semi crappy weapons with good skins can be upgraded. And all new drops are upto date.
ShadowsRequiem
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I have said it before and here it is again. What we need is for all drops to be insribable when GW:EN goes live. Then put a NPC in all the hub towns so players can insrib a old weapon for a fee. (1k I would think.) The insrcibing would make the weapon customised to that player. End of problem. LEET skins with perfect mods stay unchanged. Any old semi crappy weapons with good skins can be upgraded. And all new drops are upto date.
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Hyper Cutter
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Like I've said before, it's not about skins, it's about being able to open a chest in prophecies without wasting your time.
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Also, they really need to implement Shield Handles, Focus Cores, and Wand Wrappings everywhere, regardless of what they do about inscriptions...
makosi
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I have said it before and here it is again. What we need is for all drops to be insribable when GW:EN goes live. Then put a NPC in all the hub towns so players can insrib a old weapon for a fee. (1k I would think.) The insrcibing would make the weapon customised to that player. End of problem. LEET skins with perfect mods stay unchanged. Any old semi crappy weapons with good skins can be upgraded. And all new drops are upto date.
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Anyway, /signed by me.
bilateralrope
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Gaile said existing non inscribable items are safe from them changing them. GG at cris owner hoping to get rich...
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Sure it will be more complex than the armor change, but only because there are more options to chose from.
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The Herbalizer
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Excellent idea. I'd like to say, "That would make evryone happy" but I know someone would have something to moan about.
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Really good idea by Jeremy though. Its rly gd.
@ Above poster. If people dont by chapter they shouldnt winge about not getting features in that chapter. I dont winge because I dont have NF skills, heroes etc. I need to give Anet $$$ to get full benefits. Pvping is next to impossible without NF but I am happy. Nice example with armour but still not 100% sure about it though. Dont really know much about computers but could armour and golds be different somehow in terms of Anet being able to change them?
LuckyGiant
Why do these threads even keep coming up.
You can chose a weapon skin from like 99% of all weapons for very very cheap, inscribable or not.
If thats not good enough for you have a cry, other 1% of items need to be earnt (and no I dont really have any).
You can chose a weapon skin from like 99% of all weapons for very very cheap, inscribable or not.
If thats not good enough for you have a cry, other 1% of items need to be earnt (and no I dont really have any).