Norn Arena is way overpowered.
Im Using The Force
Its bad enough they cheat & have chants that cant be rended & spectators healing them from the sidelines.... I went thru 15 times all the way to Magni & not once did Zho even spawn. Damn if I didnt have to fight Melonni 10 times though. Why even implement a pet thats a huge pain to get & then put the key guy you need in a arena that cheats & he doesnt even spawn? The 100 gold every time you go to that arena is a joke as well...Like Im not nickled & dimed enough. I might as well set up a few bots so I can afford to play the game anymore.
Lucien Beaumont
The spectators heal you also. No one else seems to be finding it all that difficult. This sounds like a personal failure on your part.
LumpOfCole
*casts 5 spirits out of aggro range, gets in aggro range, /dance, and win*
Bowstring Badass
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*casts 5 spirits out of aggro range, gets in aggro range, /dance, and win*
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EternalTempest
I've found it hard, but during the preview event went from round 2 KO till getting to the end, still having trouble at the end mind you.
You have to keep trying different builds, as a result I have a nice engery gen / airspike build (with a nice blinding flash for melee types) I've never had before. This coming from a fire ele through and through.
You have to keep trying different builds, as a result I have a nice engery gen / airspike build (with a nice blinding flash for melee types) I've never had before. This coming from a fire ele through and through.
Im Using The Force
As much as I might appreciate the advice on how to get thru the Arena fights, that isnt what is concerning me.
BTW They rush you immediately now Have since gwen reopened
Rit spirit spam isnt the way Id go.
BTW They rush you immediately now Have since gwen reopened
Rit spirit spam isnt the way Id go.
Snow Bunny
If you're a necro, get him into the arena as a 55 and just slap them with SV.
I did this with my monk, enough to get myself a crown and some tokens besides to sell for a nice profit.
It's not that hard, unless you're Alesia or something.
I did this with my monk, enough to get myself a crown and some tokens besides to sell for a nice profit.
It's not that hard, unless you're Alesia or something.
Government Flu
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So I had to leave. Good-bye 100g.
Then I fought Kisai, who also kept getting healed, over and over and over and over again. I purposely went down to 200hp or less and was I healed?
NO.
But Kisai was continually healed even at 60% Hp left.
The arena has became pure crap.
No more norn reputation bonus after beating the 6th round, spectators that heal your enemy, and a 100g entry fee.
ArenaNet at its most thoughtless.
Engel the Fallen
I think anet needs to buff player intelligence here. Seriously, this was meant to be hard. Not easy and not cast 6 spirits and lol.
Nemo the Capitalist
Try using a strategy...........(Use ur head it helps )
snare etc spirits ^_^ should help
mindlessly hittin "C" -----> Spacebar
works manta hatchlings not......
"Rome wasn't built in a day"
snare etc spirits ^_^ should help
mindlessly hittin "C" -----> Spacebar
works manta hatchlings not......
"Rome wasn't built in a day"
zwei2stein
As game is, players of every profession demonstrated ability to get to bison and beat him with PvP-valid skills.
If you complain about this, you should not even try polymock.
If you complain about this, you should not even try polymock.
makosi
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ArenaNet at its most thoughtless.
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It's one of these occasions where Guild Wars becomes Build Wars and within a week, working builds will be available on Pvxwiki. Copy, Paste, win.
As for the healing spectators, it's tough enough to kill some of the opposition without a dwarf spamming Heal Other on them.
And gg to the OP for raising this and absorbing the flames. Courageous!
EternalTempest
I pretty sure Anet put this in due to all the 1 vs 1 PvP requests.
"See why we didn't do it with live players pvp"
The oppents seem to be sudo-random and what type of class you play will have a great affect or be very difficult depending on your oppenet.
Example as an ele, I can deal with Melee so so, I can out do fire ele any day. I'm on even level with messmers. Now Dervish that strip attachment and have high attack speeds, or "heal balls" where I have trouble distrupting them.. that's a different story.
And finally Norn "bear" which I can't intrupt and airspike only pisses them off... I still have to think and adapt on that one.
End result, I'm really learning other classes strenghts and how to counter them while keeping a "generic" build that verstile enough to take on the others.
Again, adapt, I may try the spirt spam trick to be honest because it works, but will also look at my evolving air build. Also all the new faction based PvE skill may become very usefull once my ranks get high enough.
"See why we didn't do it with live players pvp"
The oppents seem to be sudo-random and what type of class you play will have a great affect or be very difficult depending on your oppenet.
Example as an ele, I can deal with Melee so so, I can out do fire ele any day. I'm on even level with messmers. Now Dervish that strip attachment and have high attack speeds, or "heal balls" where I have trouble distrupting them.. that's a different story.
And finally Norn "bear" which I can't intrupt and airspike only pisses them off... I still have to think and adapt on that one.
End result, I'm really learning other classes strenghts and how to counter them while keeping a "generic" build that verstile enough to take on the others.
Again, adapt, I may try the spirt spam trick to be honest because it works, but will also look at my evolving air build. Also all the new faction based PvE skill may become very usefull once my ranks get high enough.
Mournblade
Day one of the official release of the 'high level' expansion and people are angry because they can't get what they want immediately. I got frustrated too, fighting and fighting to get to Zho, but it was worth it and I learned from the challenge.
Good luck to you boys and girls.
Good luck to you boys and girls.
zwei2stein
Well, healing spectators seem to be unfair, but that might just be overlook (designers tend to give noncombat npcs heal area/heal other for some weird reson.)
But, others should follow EternalTempests example, improve, doh, dont ask for nerfs. You are not supposed to beat it with your favourite build, nor are you expected to develop perfect build after few tries.
Sure there will be wiki builds soon, but you would get them even if it was easy.
But, others should follow EternalTempests example, improve, doh, dont ask for nerfs. You are not supposed to beat it with your favourite build, nor are you expected to develop perfect build after few tries.
Sure there will be wiki builds soon, but you would get them even if it was easy.
Im Using The Force
Wow.. Amazing
It has nothing to do with builds. It has to do with an NPC needed for a quest that doesnt spawn in a bogus arena.
Where & Why some of you are posting about what build beats what is beyond me...
It has nothing to do with builds. It has to do with an NPC needed for a quest that doesnt spawn in a bogus arena.
Where & Why some of you are posting about what build beats what is beyond me...
Bryant Again
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Wow.. Amazing
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Lord Feathers
Well I had a fun time myself trying to beat the tourney last weekend but after playing with some builds I manged to find a ranger / pet build that works quite nicely and I'm able to beat anything I go up against. It's hardly over-powered 
Bale_Shadowscar
I've got to Magni twice but he beats me both times, darn Purge signet ¬__¬
as for Zho, she spawned on both times
How much you reckon I can sell a Zho book for?
as for Zho, she spawned on both times
How much you reckon I can sell a Zho book for?
t_the_nihilst
I used spirits, painful bond, grenth's balance and random spam on my necro and Magni dropped like a sack of taters. I was afraid that a 55 SV wouldn't work and I didn't wanna waste time/gold doing it over and over again. GG me.
I hear a lot of people have been having luck with grenth's balance. You might wanna try that.
I hear a lot of people have been having luck with grenth's balance. You might wanna try that.
Snow Bunny
The only difficult thing is that SOB dwarf that says, "We love you I Snow Bunny I!", and than heals Headmaster Vhang.
Little double-dealing turncoat bastards.
Little double-dealing turncoat bastards.
Series
wow @ you guys.
How about instead of running your standard mending+healing hands combo, you try using a little creativity? Any profession can EASILY make several builds to rip through the arena without trouble, except MAYBE monk would have trouble.
How about instead of running your standard mending+healing hands combo, you try using a little creativity? Any profession can EASILY make several builds to rip through the arena without trouble, except MAYBE monk would have trouble.
Andrew Patrick
Just FYI the spectators healing is a bug and will be fixed soon. If you still have problems after it is fixed, please let us know. 
MisterB
Thanks for the update, Andrew. The spectators healing has forced a stalemate on me in 2 rounds. Also, a big thank you for the Norn arena; it's great fun. As for overpowered, I've defeated every oponent with my warrior, so I guess that means that either warriors or myself are overpowered. Any class can do it, but Monks may have to steal an idea from Mhenlo and the farming forum.
edit: As for Zho appearing, I've fought her multiple times; it is random
Zho's Journal is customized to your character once you defeat her.
edit: As for Zho appearing, I've fought her multiple times; it is random
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makosi
In an attempt to be constructive, here's an effective Ele build that works 99% of the time:
[skill]Stone Daggers[/skill][skill]Obsidian Flame[/skill][skill]Earth Attunement[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill][skill]Aura of Restoration[/skill][skill]Kinetic Armor[/skill][skill]Ether Renewal[/skill] + [skill]Mending Touch[/skill] or [skill]Hex Breaker[/skill] or [skill]Gaze of Contempt[/skill]
16 Earth, 13 Energy Storage
Credits go to my good friend and guild mate.
[skill]Stone Daggers[/skill][skill]Obsidian Flame[/skill][skill]Earth Attunement[/skill][skill]Sliver Armor[/skill][skill]Aura of Restoration[/skill][skill]Kinetic Armor[/skill][skill]Ether Renewal[/skill] + [skill]Mending Touch[/skill] or [skill]Hex Breaker[/skill] or [skill]Gaze of Contempt[/skill]
16 Earth, 13 Energy Storage
Credits go to my good friend and guild mate.
Andisa Kalorn
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Just FYI the spectators healing is a bug and will be fixed soon. If you still have problems after it is fixed, please let us know.
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Davros Uitar
No way overpowered. I know the cookie cutter build for warriors i Grenths Balance (at the moment), but I steered away from that to play about with a build I used to farm hydras with back in the desert (Victory is mine / ripostomatic). I swap equipment about against the casters, add in an interrupt for casters, and I manage to beat 95% of stuff (so far only Eve and Menhlo still have winning margins against me).
Redfeather1975
I heard it's changed since the Sneak Peak.
What all has changed?
What all has changed?
Kinn
As much as I hate to do this, I'm going to have to side with the "Learn2Play Lol" side here... :{
Seriously, it's not hard.
Honestly "C-Space" works wonders here.
Hahahahahahah, nice save mate ^_~
Seriously, it's not hard.
Honestly "C-Space" works wonders here.
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Redfeather1975
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As much as I hate to do this, I'm going to have to side with the "Learn2Play Lol" side here... :{
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Diablo???
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I heard it's changed since the Sneak Peak.
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In the Sneak Peak they just idle like a retard and wait while you spirit spam right in front of their face. When you pull aggro they'll just blissfully walk into your 1000 dmg per second death traps like they don't know it's there. This applies even to Bison.
I think its a good change.
Kinn
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I believe you, seeing as you posted recent movies of you beating him with every profession.
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Redfeather1975
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They charge you once you enter the arena.
In the Sneak Peak they just idle like a retard and wait while you spirit spam right in front of their face. When you pull aggro they'll just blissfully walk into your 1000 dmg per second death traps like they don't know it's there. This applies even to Bison. I think its a good change. |
It is a good change. I thought it really odd that they stood there and let players prep anything they wanted for as long as they want before the fight.
HawkofStorms
Yeah, basically trapers and Spirit Spammers can't be used like before.
Will probablly blow for people with slower loads (like my 56k at home), might even make it unplayable, but that's the price you pay for making it difficult.
Nothing against AI (well, other then like DoA and Mallayx) is ever "overpowered." It can be diffcult. It can require a wierd build that you design yourself. But it can be done.
Will probablly blow for people with slower loads (like my 56k at home), might even make it unplayable, but that's the price you pay for making it difficult.
Nothing against AI (well, other then like DoA and Mallayx) is ever "overpowered." It can be diffcult. It can require a wierd build that you design yourself. But it can be done.
Kinn
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Nothing against AI (well, other then like DoA and Mallayx) is ever "overpowered." It can be diffcult. It can require a wierd build that you design yourself. But it can be done.
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Omega X
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Will probablly blow for people with slower loads (like my 56k at home), might even make it unplayable, but that's the price you pay for making it difficult.
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What they should do is use a type of difficulty ramp where the enemies get progressively harder and not right out of the gate on the first round. The only thing that does is bring out specialized wipeout builds that ends up defeating the entire thing on a whim (like the spirit spam).
Epinephrine
Played it for the first time today; got to Bison and lost first time, adjusted, lost, adjusted and won. Somehow I thought it would be harder with all the griping.
For reference, it was my ranger. I used a modified ebon dust aura build in the end; Called Shot, Screaming Shot, Distracting Shot, Apply Poison, Troll Unguent, Antidote Signet, Rending Touch and Ebon Dust Aura.
Didn't meet Zho though, but I've only tried 3 times. I'm sure that she'll turn up.
For reference, it was my ranger. I used a modified ebon dust aura build in the end; Called Shot, Screaming Shot, Distracting Shot, Apply Poison, Troll Unguent, Antidote Signet, Rending Touch and Ebon Dust Aura.
Didn't meet Zho though, but I've only tried 3 times. I'm sure that she'll turn up.
Lorden
Norn Tourny is not over powered at all. sometimes people have to understand that they are not good at the game and need some outside help or practice/better ideas.
There are Two Universal skill bars that can be used by any class, but .you should try and figure it out. (go look it up)
But i do agree upon the spectators being a real nuisance due to the fact that they may do some weird healing (not sure, but i have noticed some strage healing happening to the NPC's in match) and to the fact that when i press "V" (My Hotkey for closest ally) it selects them and not something i need.
There are Two Universal skill bars that can be used by any class, but .you should try and figure it out. (go look it up)
But i do agree upon the spectators being a real nuisance due to the fact that they may do some weird healing (not sure, but i have noticed some strage healing happening to the NPC's in match) and to the fact that when i press "V" (My Hotkey for closest ally) it selects them and not something i need.
Neo Nugget
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As much as I might appreciate the advice on how to get thru the Arena fights, that isnt what is concerning me.
BTW They rush you immediately now Have since gwen reopened Rit spirit spam isnt the way Id go. |
Nomme Moon
Is this BS a bug? it's getting on my nerves.
I've wasted 800 gold trying to get to Zho.
EVERY SINGLE TIME, 8 of 8 tries, the spawn of enemies have been like this:
Kisai, Vekk, Cynn, Eve, Mhenlo, Bison
it is REALLY getting on my nerves.
I've wasted 800 gold trying to get to Zho.
EVERY SINGLE TIME, 8 of 8 tries, the spawn of enemies have been like this:
Kisai, Vekk, Cynn, Eve, Mhenlo, Bison
it is REALLY getting on my nerves.