Fire eles and Destroyers
Midnight Harmony
I'm a fire elementalist and I am quite annoyed about the Destroyers. I know that logically they would be resistant to fire, but my spells do like 20-40 max and they take ages to kill. Do any of you who have fire eles have tips for taking them out fast, because I'm seriously considering playing through GW:EN with my warrior instead.
holababe
Don't play as a fire ele?
You have three other skill lines
You have three other skill lines
Midnight Harmony
I don't want to have to go and buy a new set of skills and weapons to fight against enemies that are part of the storyline. Anet should work around it by reducing the damage, and not making it completely pathetic.
Viruzzz
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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony
its not like its hard to switch to another element.
go lightning, high damage and armor penetration
EDIT:in response to the post above
Why should Anet change the game, just because you don't want to switch build?
are we a little bit selfish, mayhaps?
VitisVinifera
one would think a water ele would be worth speccing
if something is resistant to fire, does that generally mean they are extra susceptible to the opposite element?
if something is resistant to fire, does that generally mean they are extra susceptible to the opposite element?
Saraphim
I switched to air. Not much help I know.
Everywhere else I can still run fire just fine, and running two hero MS nukers with Cynn taking up the slack is pretty amusing.
Everywhere else I can still run fire just fine, and running two hero MS nukers with Cynn taking up the slack is pretty amusing.
Saphatorael
Yeah, I want to hit people the whole time when I'm blinded, it's not fair that I can only hit them 10% of the time... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ANET, I'M CONSIDERING PLAYING PVP WITH AN ELEMENTALIST IF YOU DON'T.
Midnight Harmony
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Originally Posted by Saphatorael
Yeah, I want to hit people the whole time when I'm blinded, it's not fair that I can only hit them 10% of the time... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ANET, I'M CONSIDERING PLAYING PVP WITH AN ELEMENTALIST IF YOU DON'T.
Sarcasm ism't really needed. Why should I have to ditch my Tormented weapon for another attribute item and then buy a whole new range of skills including the time it takes to cap a decent elite? I'm sorry but the last time I checked, I'm the paying customer, and I want to enjoy the game for what it is, not have to bend to fit a mould.
Sasuke The Betrayer
*cough*. Winter. Need I say more?
isamu kurosawa
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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony
I don't want to have to go and buy a new set of skills and weapons to fight against enemies that are part of the storyline. Anet should work around it by reducing the damage, and not making it completely pathetic.
You should realy have the ability to switch attributes any time. If you play ele there is no reason not to have skills/equip to run at least one build from each line.
Saphatorael
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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony
Sarcasm ism't really needed. Why should I have to ditch my Tormented weapon for another attribute item and then buy a whole new range of skills including the time it takes to cap a decent elite? I'm sorry but the last time I checked, I'm the paying customer, and I want to enjoy the game for what it is, not have to bend to fit a mould.
So because you play the game, everything should be as you want it?
Hah.
Well then... I paid for 3 CE's and got GW:EN today. I have FoW on my Mesmer, and various 15k armor sets on all my chars, including some expensive gear.
Therefore, I demand that my Assassin hits for 100 damage per hit (160 Armor Ignoring when critting), my warrior has 180 AL, and my Elementalist deals 200% damage (400% when it's Destroyers, of course).
Seriously, are you that scared to change? Your Tormented Staff doesn't matter at all, only the wanding damage is affected when not meeting the req.
You could also just bring Winter...
Hah.
Well then... I paid for 3 CE's and got GW:EN today. I have FoW on my Mesmer, and various 15k armor sets on all my chars, including some expensive gear.
Therefore, I demand that my Assassin hits for 100 damage per hit (160 Armor Ignoring when critting), my warrior has 180 AL, and my Elementalist deals 200% damage (400% when it's Destroyers, of course).
Seriously, are you that scared to change? Your Tormented Staff doesn't matter at all, only the wanding damage is affected when not meeting the req.
You could also just bring Winter...
Lady Ana Stacia
Wow and here I thought half the fun of playing ele was being able to change and adapt to each given situation. 
Divine Slaya
I switched over to a dual attunement air ele. I have to admit, it was pretty nice using something other than fire magic to pve with. You can also pack a bflash in your bar to add alittle extra support if needed.
VitisVinifera
wow op you are starting to expose yourself. You will ONLY EVER use one fire build for every situation in the entire game, and complain that it doesn't kick the sh1t out of everything everywhere equally?
this game would be HELLA boring if the same formula always worked. Seriously, this game has many layers of complexity, and part of the fun is using different builds in different situations.
They implemented the whole save/share builds feature for this. If you continually insist on using your same build AND complain that it doesn't work against creatures with resistances to it, you might want to move onto something more 'fair'......like checkers.
this game would be HELLA boring if the same formula always worked. Seriously, this game has many layers of complexity, and part of the fun is using different builds in different situations.
They implemented the whole save/share builds feature for this. If you continually insist on using your same build AND complain that it doesn't work against creatures with resistances to it, you might want to move onto something more 'fair'......like checkers.
isamu kurosawa
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
They implemented the whole save/share builds feature for this. If you continually insist on using your same build AND complain that it doesn't work against creatures with resistances to it, you might want to move onto something more 'fair'......like checkers.
I'd suggest rock, paper, scissors so there wont be any complaints about who gets to go first.
Midnight Harmony
Not at all I have many fire elites and various builds for other elements, but no good elites for those elements, or weapons or the cash to gain them. If I could afford to create bars for every stat I would, and I am NOT expecting the same build to work everywhere. I suppose I just don't like to change much, old habits die hard.
moriz
fire eles are completely obsolete anyways. why in the world would anyone use those pathetic, high energy aoe, when a warrior with splinter weapon costs 1/5th the energy and do 3x the damage?
so to the OP: switch to air. at least you'll serve a useful purpose.
so to the OP: switch to air. at least you'll serve a useful purpose.
Saphatorael
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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony
Not at all I have many fire elites and various builds for other elements, but no good elites for those elements, or weapons or the cash to gain them. If I could afford to create bars for every stat I would, and I am NOT expecting the same build to work everywhere. I suppose I just don't like to change much, old habits die hard.
Maybe so, but unfortunately, that is not a valid argument for your plea to make Destroyers more vulnerable to Fire. As everyone here is agreeing upon, just adapt. If you won't adapt, let your team adapt... bring a Ranger with Winter, or just change to /R secondary yourself to bring it along.
VitisVinifera
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Originally Posted by moriz
fire eles are completely obsolete anyways. why in the world would anyone use those pathetic, high energy aoe, when a warrior with splinter weapon costs 1/5th the energy and do 3x the damage?
so to the OP: switch to air. at least you'll serve a useful purpose. wow we have gone from one extreme (I'll only ever use fire ele) to the other extreme (fire eles are completely obsolete)
the truth lies in between, and is situational
so to the OP: switch to air. at least you'll serve a useful purpose. wow we have gone from one extreme (I'll only ever use fire ele) to the other extreme (fire eles are completely obsolete)
the truth lies in between, and is situational
Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony
Sarcasm ism't really needed. Why should I have to ditch my Tormented weapon for another attribute item and then buy a whole new range of skills including the time it takes to cap a decent elite? I'm sorry but the last time I checked, I'm the paying customer, and I want to enjoy the game for what it is, not have to bend to fit a mould.
The game IS what it is with fire resistant destroyers. It also is what it is with timed missions in factions, and a host of other things that many people find less than appealing. And there is no "mould" to fit into (unless you're a die-hard subscriber to the cookie-cutter mentality) for best success in many of the later stages of the PvE storylines. Throughout each of the 3 chapters, there are different challenges that really go better with special treatment: Spoil Victor against Shiro, for example. With destroyers, the thing to do is switch out of the fire line to water magic, OR, you could bring [skill]Winter[/skill] on any of your party members' skill bars', and keep going with your fire nuking, SF spamming, cookie cutter build. (This has been proven to be quite effective against Titans in the RoF missions)
Warskull
Have you tried playing an ele earth tank?
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer
*cough*. Winter. Need I say more?
Nope, you win this one, bro.
nightwatchman
SF doesn't work because they're immune to burning, but straight fire damage still gets through to a degree, and if you bring Winter, you're happy.
Its just a change for fire eles that they can't use Searing Flames/Glowing Gaze to steam through the missions. There are many more fire spells out there to use if you want to.
Its just a change for fire eles that they can't use Searing Flames/Glowing Gaze to steam through the missions. There are many more fire spells out there to use if you want to.
moriz
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
wow we have gone from one extreme (I'll only ever use fire ele) to the other extreme (fire eles are completely obsolete)
the truth lies in between, and is situational and it's also better to look at the big picture. splinter weapon, as well as being the best AoE in the game, also fits very well on secondary ritualists. this allow me to pack some serious shutdown and utility as well as the best AoE in the game. for example, i run splinter weapon on both master of whispers and gwen, who are also SS necro and domination mes, respectively.
to achieve the same AoE with fire eles, i'll have to run two clunky, slow, fragile, and ineffective fire eles and miss out on all the shutdown and utility provided by my SS necro and domination mes. there are only so many hero slots.
by looking at the big picture, it's obvious that fire eles are obsolete.
the truth lies in between, and is situational and it's also better to look at the big picture. splinter weapon, as well as being the best AoE in the game, also fits very well on secondary ritualists. this allow me to pack some serious shutdown and utility as well as the best AoE in the game. for example, i run splinter weapon on both master of whispers and gwen, who are also SS necro and domination mes, respectively.
to achieve the same AoE with fire eles, i'll have to run two clunky, slow, fragile, and ineffective fire eles and miss out on all the shutdown and utility provided by my SS necro and domination mes. there are only so many hero slots.
by looking at the big picture, it's obvious that fire eles are obsolete.
Series
LOL! This topic is hilarious.
"ANET, I GOT THROUGH THE ENTIRE GAME USING ONLY THE SKILL SEARING FLAMES, NOW I FOUND A MONSTER THAT IT CAN'T KILL, NERF THEM NOW!"
I don't hear minion masters complain when they do areas with no corpses they learn to adapt.
"ANET, I GOT THROUGH THE ENTIRE GAME USING ONLY THE SKILL SEARING FLAMES, NOW I FOUND A MONSTER THAT IT CAN'T KILL, NERF THEM NOW!"
I don't hear minion masters complain when they do areas with no corpses
they learn to adapt.
Terra Xin
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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony
Sarcasm ism't really needed. Why should I have to ditch my Tormented weapon for another attribute item and then buy a whole new range of skills including the time it takes to cap a decent elite? I'm sorry but the last time I checked, I'm the paying customer, and I want to enjoy the game for what it is, not have to bend to fit a mould.
well... if that's how you feel then don't adhere to the masses... defy them and keep up with your 30-40 damage range, I'm sure you'll have lots of fun sticking to a single attribute for the entire.... Ohhhh I can't finish it. You're boring! Change your build it's not that hard!
:S just be thankful you didn't make a Mesmer. Well, no. Mesmers rock actually!
:S just be thankful you didn't make a Mesmer. Well, no. Mesmers rock actually!
pizzamonkey
I'm surprised that if you had the time and money and ability to earn your tormented item you don't have the time and money and ability to come up with a better build and items to deal with these destroyers. Really makes me wonder... try winter.
Worthington
Sadly I have to agree. You've got 4 different lines for a reason. I run a Wa primary, but every time I find a boss that runs a elite I don;t have guess what.. I switch secondaries and grab it. usually it takes all of 5 minutes, and the added flexabilty is huge. most the time it's an elite that I;ll never use. But, if push comes to shove I can roll with flow.
More so then the other Chapters, GWEN is forcing people to re-do builds (even if it's only for a mini-quest like the Norn Tourny). OP, maybe after switching to another element you find that it;s something you can run on a regular basis. Try new things, and go with it (your leet Torment staff not withstanding).
More so then the other Chapters, GWEN is forcing people to re-do builds (even if it's only for a mini-quest like the Norn Tourny). OP, maybe after switching to another element you find that it;s something you can run on a regular basis. Try new things, and go with it (your leet Torment staff not withstanding).
Midnight Harmony
Wow so much aggression from people who don't read properly and choose to spout nonsense. When did I say I use a cookie cutter build or nuke? I don't use SF, and I do not nuke, I was running Mind Blast with a few other skills not that it matters. For the record I have tried and Obsid Flesh tank and didn't like the style of play.
If most of the people who came here to flame read what I posted thoroughly, I was asking for help with a build suitable to tackle Destroyers, and those kind enough have offered up advice to me. I don't alway run fire, in PvE I use Air, or if I'm in a melee heavy area I might use wards. Sure I jumped the gun and admit I was wrong to suggest a change in play style on Anets behalf, but for fricks sake people stop flaming when it really isn't necessary. If you can't be nice and offer advice don't post at all.
As for the Tormented, I saved, got lucky with some Gwen sales and had the chance to buy one. I'm only asking for help at the end of the day, I don't expect to be persecuted by people who think every ele nukes or spams SF. I personally hate SF.
If most of the people who came here to flame read what I posted thoroughly, I was asking for help with a build suitable to tackle Destroyers, and those kind enough have offered up advice to me. I don't alway run fire, in PvE I use Air, or if I'm in a melee heavy area I might use wards. Sure I jumped the gun and admit I was wrong to suggest a change in play style on Anets behalf, but for fricks sake people stop flaming when it really isn't necessary. If you can't be nice and offer advice don't post at all.
As for the Tormented, I saved, got lucky with some Gwen sales and had the chance to buy one. I'm only asking for help at the end of the day, I don't expect to be persecuted by people who think every ele nukes or spams SF. I personally hate SF.
Boris De Pig
20-40 damage against a destroyer?
Dang..
that sounds almost god-like having crawled through several dungeons with my warrior doing 6-18 damage with skills (with 10str and 15 swordsmanship).
...don't even ask about the assassin, it wasn't even funny (base damage at least...).
We had fun with 3 ele's in the party, (earth, fire and water). OK, so the destroyers were a little tough on the fire ele, but earth (unsteady ground) and water (shatterstone/vapor blade) seemed to have much fun... (whilst I spammed 'steady stance==>Heal-sig whilst getting pathetic damage with my sword).
Remeber, a warrior using NO SKILLS will out-damage an SF ele over time (lost the link to the 'Why Nuking Sucks' thread, but it's an excellent place to start).
BdP
Dang..
that sounds almost god-like having crawled through several dungeons with my warrior doing 6-18 damage with skills (with 10str and 15 swordsmanship).
...don't even ask about the assassin, it wasn't even funny (base damage at least...).
We had fun with 3 ele's in the party, (earth, fire and water). OK, so the destroyers were a little tough on the fire ele, but earth (unsteady ground) and water (shatterstone/vapor blade) seemed to have much fun... (whilst I spammed 'steady stance==>Heal-sig whilst getting pathetic damage with my sword).
Remeber, a warrior using NO SKILLS will out-damage an SF ele over time (lost the link to the 'Why Nuking Sucks' thread, but it's an excellent place to start).
BdP
Ri3tN
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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony
Wow so much aggression from people who don't read properly and choose to spout nonsense. When did I say I use a cookie cutter build or nuke? I don't use SF, and I do not nuke, I was running Mind Blast with a few other skills not that it matters. For the record I have tried and Obsid Flesh tank and didn't like the style of play.
If most of the people who came here to flame read what I posted thoroughly, I was asking for help with a build suitable to tackle Destroyers, and those kind enough have offered up advice to me. I don't alway run fire, in PvE I use Air, or if I'm in a melee heavy area I might use wards. Sure I jumped the gun and admit I was wrong to suggest a change in play style on Anets behalf, but for fricks sake people stop flaming when it really isn't necessary. If you can't be nice and offer advice don't post at all.
As for the Tormented, I saved, got lucky with some Gwen sales and had the chance to buy one. I'm only asking for help at the end of the day, I don't expect to be persecuted by people who think every ele nukes or spams SF. I personally hate SF. Did that work well? If it did, even if you don't like it, try sticking with it and there solves your problem.
If most of the people who came here to flame read what I posted thoroughly, I was asking for help with a build suitable to tackle Destroyers, and those kind enough have offered up advice to me. I don't alway run fire, in PvE I use Air, or if I'm in a melee heavy area I might use wards. Sure I jumped the gun and admit I was wrong to suggest a change in play style on Anets behalf, but for fricks sake people stop flaming when it really isn't necessary. If you can't be nice and offer advice don't post at all.
As for the Tormented, I saved, got lucky with some Gwen sales and had the chance to buy one. I'm only asking for help at the end of the day, I don't expect to be persecuted by people who think every ele nukes or spams SF. I personally hate SF. Did that work well? If it did, even if you don't like it, try sticking with it and there solves your problem.
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[riVen]
You know, just because you have a shiny Tormented Fire Staff, doesn't mean you can't swich to a different weapon when needed every now and then. If you don't want to, fine--that's your choice, so live with the consequenses (low damage) and don't QQ about it.
Anyway, as mentioned by someone else, Winter. k?
Anyway, as mentioned by someone else, Winter. k?
Midnight Harmony
Thanks to those who have offered helpful suggestions. I just hate people percieving all ele's as SF/Glowing Gaze drones. I always look to innovate, but I do find it hard to switch to multiple elements when I'm used to staying with one (albeit various builds). I also have a Mesmer, Warrior, Dervish and Necro so I do know a bit about the various play styles on offer, running SS and interrupt heroes in my parties regularly.
I guess I've had a long hard day at work, needed some help and a little vent, and obviously touched a few nerves. To those who flamed me, change your perceptions and learn to listen.
I guess I've had a long hard day at work, needed some help and a little vent, and obviously touched a few nerves. To those who flamed me, change your perceptions and learn to listen.
Gregslot
Bring On The Winterrrrr!!!!
Pickletron
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Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Nope, you win this one, bro.
Actually winter doesn't work that way anymore, they take the same amount of damage THEN it's changed into cold.
There's a thing about it on wiki in the discussion page. As for fire eles vs destroyers. I just put a sup air rune on my crown (+1 to attribute) and bought the cheap, ovberfarmed Skybringer. Then if you're willing to invest in 8k or so buy an elite ele tome for a nice air elite if you don't have one (I used invoke, I don't like playing blind) or just go cap one. It's worth changing just to fight destroyers, they're a big part of the game  Plus you might start to like air magic, maybe use it in PvP? Pebbles
the reason why your performing poorly against destroyers is because your a BAD elementalist sorry but it's true... I like to think I'm a good elementalist not because I'm a dab hand with blowing the crap out of stuff or even the fact my elementalist is 2 years old.
Fire is the absolute minimum to pass Elementalist cadet training. Your still a rookie. I'm a good ele because I'm adaptable and talented enough with the elemental lines to hybridize or totally switch to another element if need be. I've got lots of other niche builds to sell myself off as a useful teammember to save the day as the ultimate utility. 'The Hammer' Geo/Warrior hybrid Similar to an obsidian tank 'Emo Healer' A fair substitute for a monk who doesn't run out of energy 'Elem hydro runner' Not as good as warriors but good enough. 'Shiro shutdown' Geo/necro for shutting down shiro and lich 'blastpheming Solo' That tricky mission I can solo the respawning beast without monk support. It's one of the benefits of age. I was around when Anet Nerfed ele's to hell and fire magic was made totally useless for ages, Although it pissed me off I learned other elements and other mixed builds. When I encountered one of those "flowstone elementals" first and attempted to burn them down like everything else to be met with (Immune to burning + 11 + 22) I didn't think "oh thats so unfair." I thought "This might actually start to get interesting "Sorry I'm totally ineffective against that monster. Might have to reskill."
distilledwill
sorry dude, no sympathy whatsoever. Id agree with everyone else, switch element. You dont have enough money? use your many fire elites to tear through the ice peeps in far shiverpeaks, earn some dough, buy the relavent material, THEN switch elements.
Its called playing the game.
Midnight Harmony
I don't like it much, but I guess I'll have to experiment. My ele is Tyria exclusive and theres no way I'm buying elite ele tomes at 10k a pop but whatever.
Ensign
I just put a BFlash on my bar and go into blindbacker mode while the physicals kill everything. *shrugs*
They have all kinds of armor, anything you do damage-wise is going to suck. Just play defense.
Midnight Harmony
That's what I've been doing really Ensign, letting my heroes deal the bulk of the damage. I'm going to go build an air magic build and give it a whirl.
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