ANet lost touch.

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Compared to the grind to get Vabbian or Obsidian armor, compared to maxing any of the titles in the game, compared to simply getting the 75k you need to buy any set of Elite/Ascended armor, getting 26,000 points for a title is seriously a pathetic grind. I'd like to know precisely what you people have been doing in this game for two years that somehow hasn't included a grind of some sort; and why you pick this grind to complain about over all the others.

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I thought you were about to start complaining about how hideous all the hero armours are. Then I scrolled down and were complaining about how we dont get access to nice armours like the hero ones.

IMHO the hero armours are horrible just like players armours.

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indeed. Given that only skins distinguishes items, they better have spent time making sure they were unique, but they didn't. I wouldn't mind if they reskined the skins with some new stats variations, but they didn't do that either. All in all the content of GWEN does not justify in anyway the price of GWEN. I know some people will here will forgive them for anything and giving them a pass just because they're anet. Well excuse us realists for being upset that the bar being pushed down with the release of GWEN

I am kinda on the fence about the reskinned armor.

On the one side it is a cheap way for them to build new armor, but I do like the look of some of it.

As for the grind, the game hasn't been out for a week yet and people already have the armor....

I'm at lvl 4 on both the norn and asura title tracks and I've just done quest with no farming at all.

Give it a month and half of the people playing GW:EN will have maxed at least one if not all of the new titles.

Regarding the cost of the Choas gloves, yes 75ectos does seam high, however when you look at comprable items in game its quite fair.

Tormented Shield 100K + 60ecto = Chaos Gloves!

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I was pissed off for a while about the armor and end-game weapons, but I got over it, once I realized that there was still a lot of content in the game. For starters, the story itself was good and tied together a fair amount of loose ends until GW2. It wasn't long, but it did the trick in terms of storytelling. And yes it was easy, but if you want a challenge then go into one of the dungeons. I do think the rewards for clearing the dungeons need to be increased to make them more worth while and they need to up the drop rate in general (I saw one gold drop the whole time I played through the story). There are new items however like glasses, bandannas, new hero armor, etc. which granted don't significantly enhance your character, but there is still a good amount of new content available and no one seems to be paying attention to it.

I can't validate the armor or weapon reskinning, but to be honest I have several greens for each of my character along with one or two sets of armor for each and I would imagine that even the most casual players should have at least one or two end-game items for their characters. Am I a little disappointed that the end-game weapons kind of bland and gray? Absolutely. But did it completely ruin the game beyond the point of no return? No. I just sold my key to someone who wanted it and then bought a weapon I liked, but couldn't afford before. Rough world, I know.

As far as the titles and the armor being tied together, I didn't see anywhere near the same amount of complaining about when you needed to get Lux/Kurz faction to continue on with the story in Faction or when you needed to get SS points to advance in NF. And that was mandatory to do, this is optional. Now someone is going to say "But if you did all the quests in Faction or NF, then you had all of the faction you needed, so there wasn't any grinding". Except the grind was "hidden" via a quest or mission (and I am sure there were times when people had to go out and kill enemies anyways to raise your rank because you didn't want to do the quests), but most of the quests were still that same old kill this or run this from A to B. More over, getting the Alliance skills was optional, but require that you grind in order to make them more effective. Why was there no anger for that? I guarantee people wouldn't be complaining so much if the drops were better and getting faction also meant getting a decent drop once and a while and like I said that should be fixed.

And I love how people are like "I am a causal player and I will pay 40k+materials+runes, but I don't want to spend a few days/weeks getting faction to buy elite armor. Granted I did grind through hours of GW to collect the gold and materials, and I played through loads of missions and quests, many of which were just kill this thing or that thing or run this item from A to B, to level my character and get to this point, but still I want my armor right away!"

It is just silly that people are complaining about optional grinding. If you want the armor because you like it and can afford it, then you have probably have gone through many hours of GW already, so much so that a few days of grinding are like a drop in the bucket. There are several ways to get faction for most of the titles (Quests, Polymock/Norn Tournament/Punchout, normal faction farming, and farming while going through the dungeons), so at least you can mix it up. And to be honest I finished the game as r3/4 for most of the titles, so if you play through the main story, there shouldn't be a ton of farming involved. Would it be nice if by the time you finished the game you have access to all of the armors? Sure. Again, is it the end of the world? No.

For those that don't want the armor because you don't like how it looks, then I really don't see what the problem is. Don't like the armor, then don't bother doing the titles, and buy a different set of armor you like with the money you have and go try a dungeon or do challenge mission. Again someone will say "But the armor should be totally new and not re-skinned and then I would like it and buy it (and complain about having to get faction)". Well what happens if Anet redoes the armor totally and you still don't like it? Will you still complain still? Probably. Everyone is complaining that there hero armor looks great, but our armor sucks. Have you been playing this game for 2 years? Even back in Prophecies, the henchies had nicer armor. Who is going to argue with me that Eve's armor isn't just as nice as, if not better, than any necromancer armor out there? Same with Cynn's armor. No outrage back then. This is nothing new people.

There is a ton of stuff to do in GW. I honestly feel like I play fair amount and there is still a ton of stuff I could do. And if you have spent so much time in GW that you really think that you have done it all and there is nothing left to do, then here's an idea: find another game to play or even better... go outside. Simple.

Sorry for the rant, but this all seems kind of idiotic to me so I needed to vent.

IMO, a mmo or co-op rpg is the wrong game genre for busy people with only an hour or two of playtime before more important duties need attention.

Show me one game where there is no grind to get good at it. Remember, the idea of grind is different for everyone. Some people enjoy mindlessly killing the same enemies over and over (diablo etc) while others play counterstrike or streetfighter (also a grind to get good except its in a very small map).

I'm loving the new title system to get the goodies. It weeds out the lazy pug leechers, wealthy ebayers and unskilled weirdos from a certain objectives. There is finally a process where you are forced to be efficient or at least competant at killing some monsters to gain access to certain items.

I agree with ATOM Thank your for speaking up I am SICK and Tired of all these 10-16 year olds crying and talkin soo much smack (its not hard grind blah blah blah) all i have to say ATOM is people like me and you with full time jobs and part time school know 1 thing these little kids who talk smack and live at their computers will amount to 1 thing 40 year old virgins so its all good Atom just rember you have your life in your hands and know whats going on, these little kids dont know what life is yet....
For all the little kids thinking of something smart to say just put this in your mind will you still talk smack when you cant afford the internet and are still liveing at home with mommy cause instead of learning about life you were stuck to your computer screens...

Meh.
You won't catch me complaining about the grind...

But I'm sick enough of the bad reskins that I'm considering trying my hand at retexturing stuff myself once I can be arsed to download the necessary stuff. I mean... since we are allowed to do it now provided we don't blame A-Net if things go wrong... it should work out fine.
If I do bother to reskin armour myself.... it will only show up differently on my own screen... but then I suppose I could offer the changes for download if I do a good job of it.


It be a pity I can't fiddle the meshes though... I wouldn't mind removing fiddly blades from a few of the Assassin kits. Then again... alpha-channelling could do that for me... possibly... ^_^

The more I think about this, the more confused I get. The only thing that makes sense is that they had like two different teams working on the player armors and hero armors. Most of the reskins are ungh (check out Asuran ele and assassin for examples), while the hero armors are unique, well done and eye-catching.

And someone different must've designed the universal armor pieces, since they're really well done. They need to give a full set to go with the Dragon gloves.

Dragon gloves?

How many sets of unique gloves ARE there?! o_0;

I like this high amount of bitching on this forum....it shows that there's alot of people upset with Anet for what they did and they'll be smart to fix the problems before the release of GW2, otherwise their stock is going to go in the shitter.

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