GW:EN and Loot
maraxusofk
I think the main thing is that thougih lots of peopel are playing eotn atm, which means drop will suck. that being said, i was sure that at least the whties would be max dmg. this certianly does blow compared to the awesome drops of the preview weekend.
garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by maraxusofk
I think the main thing is that thougih lots of peopel are playing eotn atm, which means drop will suck. that being said, i was sure that at least the whties would be max dmg. this certianly does blow compared to the awesome drops of the preview weekend.
People playing doesn't have anything to do with it. The explorable area you enter is yours unaltered by anything (besides server lag and stuff), meaning a million people could be playing and you could get 15 rares. They have no effect on whether you get rares or not, it's usually just the luck of the draw. 10-20% rare drop rate being that draw.
The preview weekend probably had an upped drop rate.
The whites are not maxed damage or even reasonable most of the time, because it's still programmed that only things to drop near max/ max damage things all the time are lv 24+. We mostly fight lv 20-23.
The preview weekend probably had an upped drop rate.
The whites are not maxed damage or even reasonable most of the time, because it's still programmed that only things to drop near max/ max damage things all the time are lv 24+. We mostly fight lv 20-23.
thunderai
All I know is my drops suck and i personally think aNet hates me.
Maybe they browse the forums find common themes from your type on the boards and your type in game and determine there is a link and make your drops better worse depending on your 'love' for aNEt.
I am kidding.... I hope.
Not kidding about the drops though, I have yet to get a max gold from EoTN. Every drop i get is merch food.
Maybe they browse the forums find common themes from your type on the boards and your type in game and determine there is a link and make your drops better worse depending on your 'love' for aNEt.
I am kidding.... I hope.
Not kidding about the drops though, I have yet to get a max gold from EoTN. Every drop i get is merch food.
Phantom Gun
Well the fact that a few of you have gotten some decent loot gives me hope, at the same time though it's still all crap drops for me. I did manage to get a diamond, and some past wintersday drops, but those were from end dungeon chests.
I'm glad it's not just me though. Well I don't mean that as in i'm glad other people are getting newb drops, but i'm glad i'm not just that unlucky. Tonight I went ahead and bought 22 lockpicks, which is all I could really afford after I got norn armor for my rt/p. I'll see if my luck picks up at all. So far, it's the same story.
I'm glad it's not just me though. Well I don't mean that as in i'm glad other people are getting newb drops, but i'm glad i'm not just that unlucky. Tonight I went ahead and bought 22 lockpicks, which is all I could really afford after I got norn armor for my rt/p. I'll see if my luck picks up at all. So far, it's the same story.
Fox Reeveheart
The drop rates of everything are horrible in this game 
i done 2 dungeons and both rewards with req 11 and req 13 swords or staffs that were merch food. I have battled a ton of bosses but not a single green. No polymock pieces.
But what bugs me the most is the fact that I am fighting level 28 monsters BUT THEY DONT DROP A WHITE MAX ANYTHING! Seriously what is wrong with this picture?
This expansion is made for level 20 characters. How about lvl 20 equipment to be dropped from HIGH level monsters?
I done arachni's haunt twice (first time had to quit cause couldnt kill boss) and not ONE single gilded edge was max, and about 20 of them dropped. And those are nice swords too.
i done 2 dungeons and both rewards with req 11 and req 13 swords or staffs that were merch food. I have battled a ton of bosses but not a single green. No polymock pieces.
But what bugs me the most is the fact that I am fighting level 28 monsters BUT THEY DONT DROP A WHITE MAX ANYTHING! Seriously what is wrong with this picture?
This expansion is made for level 20 characters. How about lvl 20 equipment to be dropped from HIGH level monsters?
I done arachni's haunt twice (first time had to quit cause couldnt kill boss) and not ONE single gilded edge was max, and about 20 of them dropped. And those are nice swords too.
gentrinity
just spent another 2 1/2 hours grinding the mountains -- officially:
1 purple max item.
0 blue items
0 gold items
Total from merchant after all the drops == 726g
(drops not including collector items -- i'm keeping them... cuz well, i'm a sap)
But...I'm rich! lol
BTW -- hopped into NF to use up old keys -- had to fight my way to a chest -- in 20 minutes i made 2k from drops and 2 golds from 2 chests.
apparantly GW hates me in GW:EN areas lol
1 purple max item.
0 blue items
0 gold items
Total from merchant after all the drops == 726g
(drops not including collector items -- i'm keeping them... cuz well, i'm a sap)
But...I'm rich! lol
BTW -- hopped into NF to use up old keys -- had to fight my way to a chest -- in 20 minutes i made 2k from drops and 2 golds from 2 chests.
apparantly GW hates me in GW:EN areas lol
Ken Dei
To all the people complaining, among any number of trivial things, have you all ever tried salvaging? Not for mods, but just for materials?
Superior Kit costs 2k, from which you can easily get 250 iron, which covers 1250 gold by itself, if you sell it to the merchant, then along with all the other materials you get you have decent profit.
It seems most people have their noses so high in the air they can't see the money at their feet.
Superior Kit costs 2k, from which you can easily get 250 iron, which covers 1250 gold by itself, if you sell it to the merchant, then along with all the other materials you get you have decent profit.
It seems most people have their noses so high in the air they can't see the money at their feet.
cellardweller
How many of the people citing bad drops have been playing hard mode for the last couple of months? Could it just a case of getting used the good drops that HM brought? My drops in GW:EN have been el crapolla too, but I don't remember the other campaigns being any better before the advent of HM.
genofreek
I salvage the stuff that was meant to be salvaged, like monster armor, but you usually get more money from IDing even the white weapons in GW:EN. You can easily make the cost of the ID kit up with 4-5 white or blue drops, even without the higher selling price mod/Show Me The Money! inscription.
Besides, I tend to hold onto the materials I salvage.
Edit: Cellardweller, I play HM occasionally, but not on a regular basis. GW:EN drops frankly suck compared to other level 20+ areas of the game. I got much more grape/gold/plat running around the fire islands and jade sea than I've had anywhere here.
Besides, I tend to hold onto the materials I salvage.
Edit: Cellardweller, I play HM occasionally, but not on a regular basis. GW:EN drops frankly suck compared to other level 20+ areas of the game. I got much more grape/gold/plat running around the fire islands and jade sea than I've had anywhere here.
Tijger
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Vanquished Drakkar lake, one of if not THE largest area with themost mobs (bunnies anyone?) and got zero golds...like 5 grapes, and a bunch of garbage. Oh, a map piece from a polar bear too, but that's besides the point.
Needed a new bowSTRING for my ranger's bow...had to go farm one from bergen. Why? Why don't I get any decent bow drops in GW:EN? Golds...maybe once or twice. When I first got to EOTN with my warrior I opened three chests and two were golds, but that's where it ended.
fix now plzthx So where did it say "play EN and golds will drop like mana from the heavens" exactly?
There's nothing to fix, its random, I've cleared whole maps without even getting a blue item, big f'ing deal.
Needed a new bowSTRING for my ranger's bow...had to go farm one from bergen. Why? Why don't I get any decent bow drops in GW:EN? Golds...maybe once or twice. When I first got to EOTN with my warrior I opened three chests and two were golds, but that's where it ended.
fix now plzthx So where did it say "play EN and golds will drop like mana from the heavens" exactly?
There's nothing to fix, its random, I've cleared whole maps without even getting a blue item, big f'ing deal.
Longasc
My dungeon trips usually give me a result like this:
1. I get white items, 3x more than my almost emptied inventory can hold.
In the 2nd level I usually start salvaging or throwing stuff away.
2. The loot quality is indeed usually low, whites and purples at max. But also some golds drop.
3. There are tons of chests and hidden stuff you can find with Light of Deldrimor. The hidden chests mostly give around 125 gold or sometimes an Onyx or Diamond.
If you want more golds, you need to open the chests. The gold drops are mostly not worth the 1,2-1,5k for a lockpick. You have to hope for a good upgrade like +30 HP, +5 energy or 15^50 to make some money.
There are not really "rare" skins that give you some 50k anymore, the economy has changed a lot.
In the very long run you break even, you spend a lot on lockpicks and mostly get crap, sometimes you get a good upgrade to give you back some money. We should not forget, most players have a 50-60% chance not to break the pick. It is no longer a way to get rich.
But good stuff drops, usually from the mini bosses: r9 Tyrian Sickle, dropped for an Elementalist who could not appreciate it. Sigh!
MY SUGGESTIONS:
1. Less loot
2. But higher quality loot
Right now more white items drops than one can carry. I would say 3x times your inventory, assumed you have only a few slots filled with weapons and 1 minipet.
1. I get white items, 3x more than my almost emptied inventory can hold.
In the 2nd level I usually start salvaging or throwing stuff away.
2. The loot quality is indeed usually low, whites and purples at max. But also some golds drop.
3. There are tons of chests and hidden stuff you can find with Light of Deldrimor. The hidden chests mostly give around 125 gold or sometimes an Onyx or Diamond.
If you want more golds, you need to open the chests. The gold drops are mostly not worth the 1,2-1,5k for a lockpick. You have to hope for a good upgrade like +30 HP, +5 energy or 15^50 to make some money.
There are not really "rare" skins that give you some 50k anymore, the economy has changed a lot.
In the very long run you break even, you spend a lot on lockpicks and mostly get crap, sometimes you get a good upgrade to give you back some money. We should not forget, most players have a 50-60% chance not to break the pick. It is no longer a way to get rich.
But good stuff drops, usually from the mini bosses: r9 Tyrian Sickle, dropped for an Elementalist who could not appreciate it. Sigh!
MY SUGGESTIONS:
1. Less loot
2. But higher quality loot
Right now more white items drops than one can carry. I would say 3x times your inventory, assumed you have only a few slots filled with weapons and 1 minipet.
Zeph
Totally agree with this thread. A few guildies and I were talking about the same thing the other night. Not sure what's going on but the drops and the chests have been awful for the whole of GW:EN so far.
We saw some promising drops over the preview event with a few (high req) platinum weapons from chests in frostmaw and looked forward to some nice drops from the dungeons but since the full release the loot has been very very grim.
We saw some promising drops over the preview event with a few (high req) platinum weapons from chests in frostmaw and looked forward to some nice drops from the dungeons but since the full release the loot has been very very grim.
Sweet Mystery
One thing I find disappointing is that you can spend a lot of time fighting all the way through a dungeon, kill the end boss and then get a crappy high req gold out of the chest as a reward. Come on a req 13 items which is rubbish as a reward for a lot of hard work? Ok get loot on route and loads of dwarf points but an end reward for a dungeon should be worth something at least shouldn't it?
I am not expecting much from the simple one levellers (indeed the lair of the snowmen is a nice candycane stocker) but those challenging ones like Kathandrax and the Catherdral should give a little better than rubbish surely....
However I put up with it as have to.... afterall, been used to sucky purples from chests most of the time no matter where
I am not expecting much from the simple one levellers (indeed the lair of the snowmen is a nice candycane stocker) but those challenging ones like Kathandrax and the Catherdral should give a little better than rubbish surely....
However I put up with it as have to.... afterall, been used to sucky purples from chests most of the time no matter where
Abnaxus
This is a direct result of all the:
"OMG A.net you have destroyed the game"
"A.net caters only for casual players, for elite players now the game is fu--ed"
"Sh-- now every noob will have a runic blade or dwarven axe for free"
"There are no more rare and unique items in this game, I quit"
coming from some well known high end collectors.
Probably to address those complaints A.net has reworked the probability of drops.
Anyway, every player looks only to what happens to him.
Try to look in a global perspective.
You're not the only one to clear a dungeon: in the same time you're doing there are probably other thousands players doing the same.
The same dungeon is cleared hundreds if not thousands of times every day.
If there was a runic blade or stygian reaver for every successful run, there would be thousands of them every day on the market.
So it's normal that most of the times drops are junk, otherwise in a short time no drop would be worth anything.
I remember the time of b/p in ToPK, 99% of the times you received useless green ele or mesmer greens. It took me more than 20 runs to get a Victo's shield, that was the most valuable item in that period.
If you take a look in the trade forum, you'll find tons of gold/green items for sale, and prices are already very cheap, and this just one week after EOTN release.
In one month, players will merchant even r9 gold items.
"OMG A.net you have destroyed the game"
"A.net caters only for casual players, for elite players now the game is fu--ed"
"Sh-- now every noob will have a runic blade or dwarven axe for free"
"There are no more rare and unique items in this game, I quit"
coming from some well known high end collectors.
Probably to address those complaints A.net has reworked the probability of drops.
Anyway, every player looks only to what happens to him.
Try to look in a global perspective.
You're not the only one to clear a dungeon: in the same time you're doing there are probably other thousands players doing the same.
The same dungeon is cleared hundreds if not thousands of times every day.
If there was a runic blade or stygian reaver for every successful run, there would be thousands of them every day on the market.
So it's normal that most of the times drops are junk, otherwise in a short time no drop would be worth anything.
I remember the time of b/p in ToPK, 99% of the times you received useless green ele or mesmer greens. It took me more than 20 runs to get a Victo's shield, that was the most valuable item in that period.
If you take a look in the trade forum, you'll find tons of gold/green items for sale, and prices are already very cheap, and this just one week after EOTN release.
In one month, players will merchant even r9 gold items.
White knight lord
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There's nothing to fix, its random, I've cleared whole maps without even getting a blue item, big f'ing deal.
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
Try to look in a global perspective.
You're not the only one to clear a dungeon: in the same time you're doing there are probably other thousands players doing the same. The same dungeon is cleared hundreds if not thousands of times every day. The global perspective eh?...*looks through forums* yep, everyone is pretty much tired of these crappy drops except the very few selling GW:EN items and basically exploiting people for their money. Abnaxus
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Originally Posted by White knight lord
The global perspective eh?...*looks through forums* yep, everyone is pretty much tired of these crappy drops except the very few selling GW:EN items and basically exploiting people for their money.
Pleeeease, take a look through the sell forum, there are hundreds of players who open hundreds of new auctions every day, tons of perfect weapons that nobody buys ...
Very few exploiting people for their money? LOL, if you go there you find r9 platinum longbows for 15k, platinum staves for 5-7k, I've seen perfect greens like Koren's hornbow sold for 2k, 2k WTF? If you want to craft a hornbow from weapon crafter you need 5k + materials and then you need to put inscripion and upgrades. After only 1 week of EOTN, the market is flooded with perfect items sold for cheap, this is the best situation I've ever seen, I can buy all I like and the only thing that stops me from buying more is lack of storage space to hold items ...
beanerman_99
My drops have sucked pretty bad too. Strangely, I seem to get a lot of crappy blues.
I am not wealthy by any means. I am not going to pay 1.5k for a friggin lock pick that will probably break on me AND I will get some shitty purple to come out. If this is some sort of "gambling" that Anet has introduced for a gold sink why don't they just stick a merchant in town, you give him 1.5k, and he gives you a random item. Done. If I buy a lock pick for 1.5k, yes, I do expect a gold item or something that at least has a value of 1k. Drops in GW:EN suck.
tyche7
Even on the Glint Challenge Mission and the very last mission of the game -- I get mostly NON Max items. Items that sell to the merch for 10-30g AFTER id'ing them. That is freakin unbelievably bad. More than half of my items are of this nature. Then 2/3 of the remaining half still aren't max they just are slightly better. All of the other campaigns have better drops than this. I hope they fix this.
Trin Storm
I agree - to me even just making the whites more like hard mode - or even Mineral Springs NM level of whites would be a step up. In an area built for level 20s why drop junk for level 7 characters?
I still have yet to get a gold not in a dungeon chest - but I tend to have that sort of luck anyways so I don't know its worse than normal or not
Fox Reeveheart
I was just talking about this!
A runic blade drops from oola's chest... YAY! it's req 13... it's really terrible And I say this again. Why am I fighting lvl 28 forge masters and NOT getting at least max white drops?
gentrinity
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And I say this again. Why am I fighting lvl 28 forge masters and NOT getting at least max white drops?
DING! Too true.
I understand a lot of peoples response to this thread as -- what do you expect, use more keys.... ur right - prolly shouldn't be complaining about the loot so much -- as a whole i think GW:EN is a beautiful game - love the storyline, overall very happy. But my main argument is and always has been -- lvl 14 and 16 bosses = less than max items. groups of lvl 28 bosses..... == at least max white items. oh and i do salvage all armor and what not to come my way -- just not weps generally. Lately salvaging such low armor/weapons is yielding 3 tanned hide squares and 3 iron ingots.... etc. etc.... woohoo. A11Eur0
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So where did it say "play EN and golds will drop like mana from the heavens" exactly?
There's nothing to fix, its random, I've cleared whole maps without even getting a blue item, big f'ing deal. I don't expect golds every 5 steps..but I kinda expect it to be at least on par with the endgame areas in all three campaigns that lead into this story. This is supposed to be the end of the line...instead it's like you're supposed to be at level 20 by the time you reach LA in proph, KC in factions, or Kamadan in NF and immediately do EOTN first. That doesn't go with the story though, and it's quite upsetting. Once you beat EOTN you get an epilogue that says you go on to do many great things blah blah blah, storyline events like the scepter of orr come into play "before" the actual proph storyline, etc. If not golds, at least make the rest of the drops worth something. 50gp max for a white drop. Not impressed. You've cleared whole maps without getting anything but whites...but have you at least cleared maps with one or two golds and a few purples? Some rare materials? bunch of high sale value or highly salvageable blues? I'm talking about beating EOTN, playing through every area, clearing quite a bit, and getting jack squat. they scaled up the drops in the preview, got people posting their uber Q9 platinums and what not on this site and others, jumping into LA and other cities selling their awesome new loot for 100k+ecto, got the people who didn't want to be the eotn beta testers by buying the preorder to go out and get the full version right away just to scale the loot back down and say HA FKN HA in our faces. pies of doom
Im not really here to complain about the lack of golds or whatnot because i still find that sometimes ill have good luck and othertimes ill have bad luck. Just gotta go with it and hope for the best. But i am going to complain about the stats of the drops.
I personally find it very disappointing to have gone out and bought an expansion with high end content meant for level 20 characters and STILL the drops aren't at least max damage!!?? Come on Anet, surely you can do better than that? *sigh* I can just about understand non max weapons dropping in higher level areas in the 3 previous stand-alone games as theres always a chance you could use them on lower level characters you might have (however unlikely On the bright side though dwarven axes for all!!!!! 
SurareVaera
My main character is R4 KoaBD, with R4 Treasure Hunter. From my experience with chests in GW:EN so far, the drops are noticeably sub-par. Though I have a 54% retention rate. I save somewhere between 25-33% of my lockpicks (50 used so far). Most of the chests are purple as well. For example, I ran Frostmaw's Burrow and Raven's Point consecutively and I managed 4 golds in 15 lockpicks. Now, my standard for poor normal mode chests was Kurzick and Desolation chests which produced about 66% purple. The drop rates in GW:EN are certainly pathetic. So much so, that I'm refusing to play PvE until the developers actually finish this game, make allegiance titles maxable, and institute Hard Mode. There are a lot of things that infuriate me about this expansion, which is supposedly for high-level characters. 1pt bounties, terrible chest drops, rehashed armor skins, completely ignorable PvP skills, and non-maxable titles just lead me to believe that this game isn't complete and that I shouldn't waste my time since the rewards aren't worth the effort.
CHunterX
Chests killed the drops. Areanet seems to expect people to use these chests as the only means to getting gold items. I don't like the key system, and I never will.
allience
i seen 2 gold items NOT max dmg drop from end dungeon chest in 1 day. 1 was a bow and the other was a staff. my friend who got these was very sad. i've also gotten a gold staff with 18% skills recharge instead of 20.
i'm sorry but when u finish a dungeon u'd at least expect ur items to be max dmg. doesn't need to be uber skin but when u keep getting crap like this something is really wrong. i suspect there's a bug, just like the lack of destroyer core drops. it's probably gonna take a while till anet fixes the drops too. wolfwing
I just got a diamond shield from the white mantle bosses chest in Slavers Exile and it was Req:13. /13/ for petes sake and thats supposed to be the toughest dungeon.
Crom The Pale
3 of us cleared Frostmaw's dungeon with some heros the other night.
At the end of it I had 8 purple items, 2 gold and one Diamond. Sounds good, save for the fact that 6 of the purples were non max, one of the golds was non max and the other was from the end chest and was an offhand( req 13 ) that was little more than merchant fodder. 5 of the purple and the other gold came from locked chests, in that order. I actually do not believe I've even seen a max req9 blue item drop in all of GW:EN. Quallity over Quantity...PLEASE!!!!
Stolen Souls
I decided to give the drops another go tonight, figuring maybe, just MAYBE, my luck has just been bad lately.
Well needless to say I'm convinced now that the drops in GWEN just plain suck. Earlier today I was farming in Elona (undead). After a few runs (maybe an hour total), I had 5 golds (all max, though mostly high reqs), and a bunch of purples (max and non-max). After selling the merchant fodder, I had about 6k and some nice mods. Went over to GWEN to see if I'd have similar luck. Bought 10 lockpicks, and headed for Frostmaw's. All my picks broke after the first use (50% retention? Like hell...). NO golds from the chests. Nothing even worth keeping (anybody need 7 "Show me the Money" inscriptions? -_- ). On the third level I saw a gold drop off a monster...Greater Highlander Blade. Paydirt?!? Not quite...Fiery of Defense, req13, crap inscription. Managed to kill Frostmaw. My reward...2 diamonds. 3.4k....woo-freakin-hoo. -_- Bottom line for me is that if I want to make loot/gold...avoid GWEN. I dunno if it's because so many people are doing GWEN at once (Which should not be the case, as Anet said that that doesn't effect drop rate. But then again, Anet said a lot of things.). It's pretty clear that there's an obvious (at least for me) difference in the quality/quantity of drops between GWEN and the other chapters. GWEN = Hard Mode play with Normal Mode drops.
Tender Wolf
I agree completely. I've gotten mostly whites, always purples from locked chests with the pick breaking, and the golds I've gotten were always the Measure for Measure (highly salvageable) inscriptions. And I hate those the most, because with golds, I never know whether to salvage them at a chance for rare items, or replace the inscription. They seriously need to fix that since GWEN is designed for level 20 characters.
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