How to kill Destroyers effectively?

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
For those saying bring Winter, remember that Winter kicks in after damage. If you do fire damage and depend on Winter, their fire resistance will first lower the fire damage, and then Winter will convert it to cold damage. (This is possibly a bug with Winter.) Really? Never read that anywhere before, but then again I stay clear of the skill / builds sections of the forum. I checked guildwiki and it says nothing about what you just said.

Can you confirm that is the case? Because its simply meant to convert all elemental damage in cold.

Zegorzalek

Zegorzalek

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Last Platoon

If the anomaly of damage being converted after the effects of armor does exist, this might slow things down a bit. That said, even when the destroyers come in waves (the big machine quest out in....dang, can't remember now...arbor bay I think where you sit on top of the temple near the waterfall and keep it "clear" for the workers) they are dispatched relatively handily in the usual manner... party focused fire, slow the warriors, kill the frontline if no healers, mop up the rest. Minion Nova bombing works as they like to bunch, and archaneecho/sandstorm is a beautiful skill combo. This is my experience, try it if you like. (Think some guildies and I will try the winter/barrage/conjure thing.)

Ultra Mega

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

OCAU

Mo/Me

Spoil Victor works pretty well, if you stick it on the barrage rangers it can do 300+ damage with one barrage.

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Really? Never read that anywhere before, but then again I stay clear of the skill / builds sections of the forum. I checked guildwiki and it says nothing about what you just said.

Can you confirm that is the case? Because its simply meant to convert all elemental damage in cold. I can't confirm right now because I am at work. However, there was a discussion about it on GuildWiki. You'll find all the experimental evidence there.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Talk:Winter#Bug?

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
I can't confirm right now because I am at work. However, there was a discussion about it on GuildWiki. You'll find all the experimental evidence there.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Talk:Winter#Bug? Dang I had no idea, thanks for pointing that out to me. Going to drop Winter for the meantime till its fixed.

Cherng Butter

Cherng Butter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Maryland

The Mirror Of Reason [SNOW]

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
For those saying bring Winter, remember that Winter kicks in after damage. If you do fire damage and depend on Winter, their fire resistance will first lower the fire damage, and then Winter will convert it to cold damage. (This is possibly a bug with Winter.) Oh...haha I knew something was wrong when I wasn't doing more damage (the only time I tried it anyway, I got too lazy to switch it in everytime and just used regular fire eles )

Friar Khan

Friar Khan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

California

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
I can't confirm right now because I am at work. However, there was a discussion about it on GuildWiki. You'll find all the experimental evidence there.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Talk:Winter#Bug? Confirmed :/

Flare without Winter - 61 damage

Flare with Winter - 61 damage


How sad :/ this bug was discovered over a month before GW:EN's release. But thanks guys for pointing this out.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Bummer....

I like having a barrage/splinter ranger in Glint's challenge...I wiped an entire side worth of destroyers in two combos today...but I got ganked immediately after. Still was fun. Oh and it was the first wave so level 15's...but stop spoiling my fun!

Bankai

Bankai

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Bubblegum Dragons

Mo/E

I whipe all destroyers with my favorite build.

Me on LoD/prot. Jora with eviscerate. Livia on orders. Hayda on Anthem of fury. Add Lina, Mhenlo, Devona and Talon, and you've got 3 rampaging warriors that tear through most things not called Cyndr.

boxterduke

boxterduke

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Walking the ruins of Ascalon

DVDF

Me/

I was goofing around during the triple xp weekend and I was able to kill lots of destroyers with no hassle with this build

I was a Me/Rt and had ritualist damage spirits
Heros were, Jora, MM, and another necro as SS

This also works great for the assura area with those dinos that are touchers.

isamu kurosawa

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

Me/

Ive been using either an SS build or a death build such as:

[skill]Rising Bile[/skill][skill]putrid Bile[/skill][skill]icy veins[/skill][skill]necrosis[/skill][skill]finnish him![/skill][skill]putrid explosion[/skill][skill]consume corpse[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

Death = 12+1+3
Soul Reaping =12+1

this also tears apart all foes in the hidden lair of the snowmen faster than any other necro build, kill one and they all die.

Minwanabi

Minwanabi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Michigan

You can run a barrage/conjure ranger, a barrage/GftE ranger, and you spam Great Dwarf Weapon on them. Massive knockdown ftw.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation

R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

N/

Kill them.... cold works well, anti mele necro/mes pwns

YunSooJin

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

Savannah Heat and other AoE firespells work nicely.

Run at least 2 elementalists with these.

If you're playing with someone additional bonus is your standard SS necro and MM.

Shakra

Shakra

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/

Firespells? Please, DESTROYERS, not cats.

SS and MM and Eles with Air magic, thats the key.


S.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Guru Named Kai
You can pretty much forget about SF-heroway. (Searing Flames) Despite their resistance to fire and resistance to burning, ive always managed to defeat any and all destroyers I have come accross!

Its damn hard work when your stubborn and stick to using a fire build, but it is do-able! I tend to bring myself (an SF ele), Vekk (SF), 3 monks (1 hero), Olias (MM) and 2 warriors and ive always managed!

Ive been down to 60dp a few times while doing it, but ive done it!

My advice is that if your a fire ele and you insist on using fire, then try bringing winter (or what ever u call the ranger skill to change fire dmg into cold). You could also just go as a water or lightning ele which probably makes more sense!

Also focus on which destroyer to kill first as you would any group! Remove the degen Necros first, then he warriors and then the rangers from my experience!

My last advice is use any pve only skills that do damage to Destroyers and increase your Drawf rank as best you can and equip the title to do them extra damage and heal you.

I cant speak for other professions, but some observations I have made are...

1) The Norn are very good at doing them damage in bear form.
2) When you use raven form (during that dungeon or after aquiring if possible), it does alot of damage to destroyers.

Even during that Asuran quest which throughs wave, after wave, after wave of destroyers at you I still managed. Its not hard, but it can be done.

Anything is do-able! I can remember a time when I felt the mersaat were impossible to kill and I laugh at that now! Anything in game soon becomes easier!

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Alkar's acid and single-target armor penetration skills.

Air magic is great, for instance.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
And if your really lazy you can use what I used:

Barrage + Conjure Ice - Spam spam spam... dead Destroyers I also take Winter with me as well for the benefit of the other NPCs / Players I was wondering how would 2 Barrage rangers do with this
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Great_Dwarf_Weapon
Cast it on each other, make Winter and let the raping begin.

Ensign

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

Physicals and hexes wreck destroyers. If your character happens to be an Elementalist just spam blind, wards, and PvE skills while physicals and hexers kill stuff.

AfroThunder396

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

LoKi

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I bring Splinter BP (me), Zhed, Sousuke, Vekk, Mhenlo, Lina, Herta, and Aidan (who actually doesnt suck in GWEN). I know that the Destroyers have a resistance to Earth, but I found this build works very well:

[skill]earth attunement[/skill][skill]eruption[/skill][skill]unsteady ground[/skill][skill]aftershock[/skill][skill][/skill]stoneflesh aura[skill]obsidian flame[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

The last skill is either [skill]ward against melee[/skill], [skill]ward of weariness[/skill], or [skill]ward against foes[/skill]. I give one to each of my heroes. The melee guys go down in seconds, Unsteady Ground and Aftershock is a lethal combination. Even with the 30% reduction, they still slaughter all Destroyers I've come across. They brought down the Great Destroyer in about45 seconds.

wetsparks

wetsparks

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kryth
This is what I run vs Destroyers

ME - A Echo spoil victor nec with mark of pain
Gwen - Fast casting fire nuker
Vekk - Earth Aoe with unsteady ground elite
Xandra - Defensive spirit spammer for general support

and mhenlo lina zho talon for henchy slots.

I had no problem at all vs them, they fall like flies. Spoil Victor bakes em nukers eat em. People always forget about [skill]spoil victor[/skill] im glad you mentioned it. I put that on my necro hero and rarely have problems, people always think about [skill]spiteful spirit[/skill] when I find that they don't quite use it properly and enemies rarely clump up enough for it to really use the aoe damage part.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Ahh how spoiled we have gotten. SF suddenly stops working and all of a sudden the world panics... Curses FTW!

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

I find it funny (and a little sad) that people just refuse to change from fire-based Ele builds... then try and say it works well. What was Freeked's last post? Savannah Heat builds work quite well, even at 60dp... the fact your AT 60dp means the build sucks.

The moment i was told that Destroyers were immune to Burning (i didn't actually realise when i did Raven Point during the preview till someone told me the next day) i just swapped out my SF eles and my MM and brought in my MoR Dom - Norgu, an SS/BR - Olias and my Inep/Frustration - Gwen. Olias now replaced with an SV - Livia.

Its funny, i (did) hold the top score in Glints Challenge till we were beaten by 1 point, i got endless whispers asking for my build, and some seemed quite surprised that i don't use an ele. I use Gwen. My friend uses Koss. (MM + Monk on each side is pretty much a req). Frustration utterly destroys them if your a Ranger since those interrupts trigger just by interrupting a regular attack.

cute_dragon

cute_dragon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

Austria

Rise Like A Phoenix [fire]

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Well, I also was surprised when I recognised, that destroyers have heavy resistances vs. fire and earth...
My both Zhed and Sousuke are equipped for fire (not with SF but Savanna Heat, explosion and so on). After I realized that, I equipped the Charr (Beastmaster, and works very well ) with Winter and the Problem was gone.
Other options are Blood or Curses Necros, or Another Mesmer, Illusion as degen-Mesmer, or Domination with Chaosstorm and so on...
after some andjustments, destroyers were no problem.
^^
hf

Big_Iron

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

You know what else works great? Snow Storm, the Dwarf skill. Destroyers are still pretty stupid and will bunch up. Hit them with Snow Storm and watch em fall.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cute_dragon
Well, I also was surprised when I recognised, that destroyers have heavy resistances vs. fire and earth...
My both Zhed and Sousuke are equipped for fire (not with SF but Savanna Heat, explosion and so on). After I realized that, I equipped the Charr (Beastmaster, and works very well ) with Winter and the Problem was gone. Its funny how people keep saying that... even though Winter is bugged and won't effect a Fire Elementalists damage in the slightest. Maybe the Beastmaster is just exceptionally good

Master Sword Keeper

Master Sword Keeper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Dead Isle

Farmers Of Woe [FoW]

W/

hahahaah are we solo'in or mobbin em?

LOL 2 words. "Deep Wound"

LOL try it sometime. In every proffesion there is a way to destroy a monster
is any such way... Learn dif combos and make use of the mesmer skills,

Phantom Pain is always useful.
That's why im a warrior. Axe skillz ftw.

terrible theresa

terrible theresa

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Intergaltic Gargleblasters

W/Mo

myself (air ele) guildy (necro) with olias mm whispers n/monk (to help heal dragon) + monkI have olias mm whispers blood & monk. we have been placing in the top 10 in ranks daily & just cant get 1rst place. the destroyers r not much of a problem except for the deeds. they just dont want to die for me with out a good fight.what I want to know is how do I kill the deeds quicker.or what do I have to do to get the higher ranks.I want # 1 at least once.by the way my IGN is Gorgon Earth

Saraphim

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet
You know what else works great? Snow Storm, the Dwarf skill. Destroyers are still pretty stupid and will bunch up. Hit them with Snow Storm and watch em fall. Yup, that and Alkar's Acid work great. I did Glint's challenge earlier with H/H and managed to finish it with Sab's triple necro build + Lina and Mhenlo, with Herta for wards and Zho for interrupts. No-one died, probably too much healing really if anything.

Me- running dual attune Shellshock / Lightning Javelin ( for spammable interrupt) / Orb and hammer + aforementioned PVE skills. Only real issue was getting no return on energy costs for the PVE skills meant I had to watch my use of LH.

Only got one core throughout the whole challenge mission and that was from the chest....previously I got 3-4 on the first wave alone.

SNIEVES

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Dumfries, Virginia, USA

Happy guild moor

R/

i usually run 2 or 3 water eles with Ward against Harm(elite), maselstrom, deep freeze, also, i play a ranger with winter and conjure frost build with icy longbow. = Dead Destroyer

Showtime

Showtime

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

WTB Q9+5e Bows/Q8 14^50 Weapons

R/P

i didn't realize that the destroyers didn't burn at all. i knew they had resistance and stuff.

i got a chance to try a few things with my ranger and my war while filling out 6+ hero handbooks over the past few days. the easiest (maybe not the most efficient) was the ursanery. ursan blessing with whatever build you can manage. i tried different builds and all the different track skills and went ursan whenever i felt like speeding up the process. even in pugs i outlasted noobish war tanks and dervishes (they should all ursan imo) with my ursan ranger and that was at only lvl 4 or 5 norn.

basic team build was the same i see everywhere.
me: ursan war or ranger
heros: 2 nukers + nuker or mm necro depending on location
henchies: monks, interrupter, nuker

Pug team builds were pug team builds...

did the 1st 15 parts of the heroes handbook with that build so it got tested in lots of different places. the last/final one i went full ranger and used bunch of hero/henchie rangers and monks.

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

Armor ignoring damage all the way, since destroyers get raised by force feeding them liquid iron so it seems :P. Good tip for people who bring physicals, bring stance removal for those pesky rangers.