I was curious as to what people could come up with for the all time highest damage a/x spike build.
I have seen the whole shadow prism ones in pvp who can somewhat nearly instant kill (not really since you have to throw in a few normal attacks). Which makes me wonder, can their be an improvement/ even better build to spike down enemies?
This could be for pve too I suppose since assassins can basically solo spike an important monk or rit enemy.
But just curious as to what the best spike could be?
Something I would be assuming is black lotus, hoto, falling spider/falling lotus, blades of steel.
I know it's basically the shadow prism pvp build but I was wondering, could you possibly add a lead attack to ensure an instant kill in pvp if their monk is being pressured?
The most damaging a/x spike build?
MercenaryKnight
craigrs84
hmm... you need to set some ground rules or whatever, because there are lots of uber damaging spikes but they take up the whole skill bar and take too long to execute. hmm... anyways.
how about this, its really fun
and i cant think of many spikes that will do this much raw damage in 4 skills. now its not as fast as boa but it does more damage so...
Nightmare Weapon, Shadow Prison, Black Lotus Strike, Vampiric Assault, Ancestors Rage, Impale, Optional <I use Assasin's Remedy (Counters Blind)>
About, 463 damage... if you get rid of black lotus strike and optional slot and add in iron palm instead, and then maybe falling lotus strike, you can break 540, but it's slower
how about this, its really fun
and i cant think of many spikes that will do this much raw damage in 4 skills. now its not as fast as boa but it does more damage so...Nightmare Weapon, Shadow Prison, Black Lotus Strike, Vampiric Assault, Ancestors Rage, Impale, Optional <I use Assasin's Remedy (Counters Blind)>
About, 463 damage... if you get rid of black lotus strike and optional slot and add in iron palm instead, and then maybe falling lotus strike, you can break 540, but it's slower
Sqube
Without a set of ground rules, it's rather difficult to set a build. Is this a purely independent build? Can I have friends helping me out? Etc.
Set some ground rules. Then we can talk. Otherwise I'll just pick the build where 7 other people put disgusting amounts of buffs on me and I go to town.
Set some ground rules. Then we can talk. Otherwise I'll just pick the build where 7 other people put disgusting amounts of buffs on me and I go to town.
MercenaryKnight
Well I would prefer the ground rules to be only by yourself. The reason is to spike down an enemy as quickly as you can.
I am mainly trying to figure out a pvp build so that's what I am focused on. I just want to try and find a new spike build.
So I guess the "ground rules" would be that you want to spike down an enemy in pvp as quickly as possible and trying to keep them "disabled" if possible so they can't heal themselves and survive.
Disabled isn't really required but it'd be nice to add in.
I am mainly trying to figure out a pvp build so that's what I am focused on. I just want to try and find a new spike build.
So I guess the "ground rules" would be that you want to spike down an enemy in pvp as quickly as possible and trying to keep them "disabled" if possible so they can't heal themselves and survive.
Disabled isn't really required but it'd be nice to add in.
Sqube
I think you need to qualify what kind of opponent you're going against. A build against somebody who blocks isn't going to necessarily be the same as a build against someone who doesn't.
But what's wrong with pre-existing builds? The SP sin is extremely strong.
I mean... I guess you could go:
Expose
Unsuspecting
Temple
BLS
TF
BSS
BoS
An IAS for slot #8, and you're good to go. Daze, Blind, Poison, Bleed, Deep Wound. If, they manage to survive, they sure aren't going to be doing much. Alternatively, you could replace Unsuspecting with Black Mantis Thrust. Cripple, Daze, Blind, Bleed, Deep Wound, Poison (in that order, I think) and a ton of damage. I don't know if it's effective, efficient, or even makes any sense to use something like this.
But it'll do a hell of a lot of damage, give your opponent a ton of conditions, and generally mess up their day.
But what's wrong with pre-existing builds? The SP sin is extremely strong.
I mean... I guess you could go:
Expose
Unsuspecting
Temple
BLS
TF
BSS
BoS
An IAS for slot #8, and you're good to go. Daze, Blind, Poison, Bleed, Deep Wound. If, they manage to survive, they sure aren't going to be doing much. Alternatively, you could replace Unsuspecting with Black Mantis Thrust. Cripple, Daze, Blind, Bleed, Deep Wound, Poison (in that order, I think) and a ton of damage. I don't know if it's effective, efficient, or even makes any sense to use something like this.
But it'll do a hell of a lot of damage, give your opponent a ton of conditions, and generally mess up their day.
MercenaryKnight
Well, theirs nothing wrong with already existing builds. But all builds can be improved from time to time.
So that's what I was trying to look for, any possible improvements to the build that could maybe add some more damage to it. Since against a monk the damage usually isn't fast enough and they get off a life saving rof or something.
So that's what I was trying to look for, any possible improvements to the build that could maybe add some more damage to it. Since against a monk the damage usually isn't fast enough and they get off a life saving rof or something.
Coloneh
Mark of Instability
Asuran Scan
Black Spider Strike
Shattering Assault
Falling Lotus Strike
Blades of Steel
Black Lotus Strike
Twisting Fangs
that would be quite unfortunate to get hit with.
Asuran Scan
Black Spider Strike
Shattering Assault
Falling Lotus Strike
Blades of Steel
Black Lotus Strike
Twisting Fangs
that would be quite unfortunate to get hit with.
Yanman.be
Yanssassin ftw eh?
Icy DS
Yanssassin? You mean the build people were running in ra before you even unlocked moebius strike?
Yanman.be
I don't know what you mean....clarify?
You mean people were running my builds before I posted this?
You mean people were running my builds before I posted this?
craigrs84
what is the yanassasin exactly? im curious
Icy DS
Don't listen to him,
He takes credit for common builds used in ra and calls them his own and tries to work his name into them. All he is, is pretty much a guru scrub, not the first and won't be the last you will ever meet.
He takes credit for common builds used in ra and calls them his own and tries to work his name into them. All he is, is pretty much a guru scrub, not the first and won't be the last you will ever meet.
xaleo21
Don't beat him with a club for making up a wierd, and funny, name... beat him because he's the only Belgium... -anian.
And your build... (married to that wierd - @$$, also funny, song) it has a lot of kds... not enough... tricks.
And your build... (married to that wierd - @$$, also funny, song) it has a lot of kds... not enough... tricks.
Yanman.be
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigrs84
what is the yanassasin exactly? im curious
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3072446
Oh, and Icy DS...maybe everyone runs them in RA because I made them famous.?
Yanssassin was pretty original... and Yangansin was posted only 3 hours after the skill update that made it possible. I didn't copy anyone. People copy me, because they are aware of how great the builds are.
Oh, and Icy DS...maybe everyone runs them in RA because I made them famous.?
Yanssassin was pretty original... and Yangansin was posted only 3 hours after the skill update that made it possible. I didn't copy anyone. People copy me, because they are aware of how great the builds are.
SotiCoto
Yes Yanny... Your build is fantastic... except for the lack of IAS of course (which in the case of people with less than optimal computers and connections makes getting Falling Spider to trigger a bit awkward)...
Generally speaking though, I'm not sure the OP had Moebius-spamming in mind when they posted this request for a new spike...
Generally speaking though, I'm not sure the OP had Moebius-spamming in mind when they posted this request for a new spike...
Yanman.be
Granted, it's not a real spike, but it packs quite a punch.
X Cytherea X
other people can make the exact same build, without copying, if they merely know how to read skill descriptions and chain their effects.
it doesnt take rocket science.
it doesnt take rocket science.
Coloneh
yeah, but yan was the first to play it. so its his right to name it.
Bobby2
I think the most damaging chain is
[skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Blades of Steel[/skill]
hence the popularity of SP Sins. IMO SP isn't the true 'power' part of such a build, it's the two Black offhands. The duals are merely the strongest available. In any case it can easily break 500 (w/ Deep Wound incl.) and offers heavy degen to boot, if anyone can think of something more damaging I'd like to know as well
Also important: there's still some slots left for utility (1 of 'em must be a Hex of course). Coloneh - were you serious about that chain!?
[skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Blades of Steel[/skill]
hence the popularity of SP Sins. IMO SP isn't the true 'power' part of such a build, it's the two Black offhands. The duals are merely the strongest available. In any case it can easily break 500 (w/ Deep Wound incl.) and offers heavy degen to boot, if anyone can think of something more damaging I'd like to know as well
Also important: there's still some slots left for utility (1 of 'em must be a Hex of course). Coloneh - were you serious about that chain!?
African War Lord
I run this with 16 deadly arts. 16 just to defy yan lol
[skill]Shadow prison[/skill] [skill]Iron palm[/skill] [skill]Falling spider[/skill] [skill]Horns of the ox[/skill] [skill]Signet of toxic shock[/skill] [skill]Impale[/skill] [skill]Disrupting dagger[/skill] [skill]Resurrection signet[/skill]
I tried with taking out signet of toxic shock and disrupting dagger, for falling lotus strike and vampiric assualt which works but takes too long for my liking.
not the most damaging but it serves as a shutdown build that will kill you 2.
[skill]Shadow prison[/skill] [skill]Iron palm[/skill] [skill]Falling spider[/skill] [skill]Horns of the ox[/skill] [skill]Signet of toxic shock[/skill] [skill]Impale[/skill] [skill]Disrupting dagger[/skill] [skill]Resurrection signet[/skill]
I tried with taking out signet of toxic shock and disrupting dagger, for falling lotus strike and vampiric assualt which works but takes too long for my liking.
not the most damaging but it serves as a shutdown build that will kill you 2.
X Cytherea X
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
yeah, but yan was the first to play it. so its his right to name it.
he can call it whatever, nobody has to use the name if they run something similar (i wouldnt, tho)
...
ANYWAY, here is my new epic combo:
[skill]augury of death[/skill][skill]black mantis thrust[/skill][skill]jungle strike[/skill][skill]trampling ox[/skill][skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]remove hex[/skill][skill]mending touch[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
loads of raw damage and a deepwound. you can spam trampling and moebius at below 1/2. plus it looks frickin brutal in action. if augury triggers, you will teleport. continue whichever step of the combo is next (all of which is unconditional in order to hit, although BMT cripple needs augury, JS bonus dmg needs cripple and TO kd needs cripple...not hard to meet the requirements tho)
and still some space for utility!
...
ANYWAY, here is my new epic combo:
[skill]augury of death[/skill][skill]black mantis thrust[/skill][skill]jungle strike[/skill][skill]trampling ox[/skill][skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]remove hex[/skill][skill]mending touch[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
loads of raw damage and a deepwound. you can spam trampling and moebius at below 1/2. plus it looks frickin brutal in action. if augury triggers, you will teleport. continue whichever step of the combo is next (all of which is unconditional in order to hit, although BMT cripple needs augury, JS bonus dmg needs cripple and TO kd needs cripple...not hard to meet the requirements tho)
and still some space for utility!
Yanman.be
I don't care about the name, I just want to make sure they know how much effort I put in inventing, promoting and defending the build ( as you all know(!)) . I certainly did not copy it.
craigrs84
very nice build cytherea
fireflyry
Yanman, I've been trolling these forums for quite some time before joining/posting and your contribution here has always been outstanding so please take no offense.
You were'nt the first person to come up with that build, you were the first to post it on this forum.
Big difference.
Either way it still kicks ass and good luck to you.
You were'nt the first person to come up with that build, you were the first to post it on this forum.
Big difference.
Either way it still kicks ass and good luck to you.
Coloneh
fireflyry. usually when someone says they invented a build they are making stuf up. but your wrong on this one. thats yan's build, he made it like, what, 3 hours after the campaign came out?
Yanman.be
Oh this is like the Gray vs Bell discussion all over again.
I invented the combo myself, people didn't use sin hexes back then, certainly not to start your chain with. Having no lead attack was quite a revolution as well.
The one claiming credit first >>> the one claiming he made it first, but didn't bother getting credit.
*edit*
/*Coloneh*\ I posted it the seventh of july...Factions was released on 28-april-06. So that's more than 3 hours
. I had the build ready in may, but I didn't bother posting it untill I was certain there was no better skill to take. Various game balance updates also postponed the publication.
I invented the combo myself, people didn't use sin hexes back then, certainly not to start your chain with. Having no lead attack was quite a revolution as well.
The one claiming credit first >>> the one claiming he made it first, but didn't bother getting credit.
*edit*
/*Coloneh*\ I posted it the seventh of july...Factions was released on 28-april-06. So that's more than 3 hours
. I had the build ready in may, but I didn't bother posting it untill I was certain there was no better skill to take. Various game balance updates also postponed the publication.
Bobby2
This is not a Yanssassin thread now is it? The whole 'no-lead' thing really stuck though, BLS and BSS having the same prereq and neither being elite opened up quite some doors since NF came out (SP Sins in particular). Figure if [skill]Golden Phoenix Strike[/skill] had a sister we'd see just as much, if not more, AoD Sins.
The whole 'no-lead' thing really stuck though, BLS and BSS having the same prereq and neither being elite opened up quite some doors since NF came out (SP Sins in particular). Figure if [skill]Golden Phoenix Strike[/skill] had a sister we'd see just as much, if not more, AoD Sins.
Coloneh
o, i thought i read you say that somewhere, my bad
fireflyry
lol
To claim such an obvious skill chain combo and build as "your" invention is purely illogical.It's like somebody naming and claiming the CritScythe after the EotN skills were released purely because they posted it here before anybody else did while also claiming anyone else who there after used that build was obviously copying them.
Seriously....
I have seen your builds in use in game before you posted them but kudos for bringing it to the masses of Guru and I've always enjoyed reading and learning from your well thought out posts.I just think trying to claim total and absolute credit and trying to trademark obvious builds due to no more than posting them here first is rather humorous.Saying people using the same or similar builds are copying you because "your" builds are so good is just pure egotism.
I've never seen that attitude on any of the other builds posted here.
Anyway....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2
To claim such an obvious skill chain combo and build as "your" invention is purely illogical.It's like somebody naming and claiming the CritScythe after the EotN skills were released purely because they posted it here before anybody else did while also claiming anyone else who there after used that build was obviously copying them.
Seriously....
I have seen your builds in use in game before you posted them but kudos for bringing it to the masses of Guru and I've always enjoyed reading and learning from your well thought out posts.I just think trying to claim total and absolute credit and trying to trademark obvious builds due to no more than posting them here first is rather humorous.Saying people using the same or similar builds are copying you because "your" builds are so good is just pure egotism.
I've never seen that attitude on any of the other builds posted here.
Anyway....
Quote:
I think the most damaging chain is
[skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Blades of Steel[/skill] Agreed.
You could go nuts on a longer chain, Impale swap out TF/SotS, etc, but I agree with the spike above being the best and most effective spike while allowing for utility slots.
[skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Blades of Steel[/skill] Agreed.
You could go nuts on a longer chain, Impale swap out TF/SotS, etc, but I agree with the spike above being the best and most effective spike while allowing for utility slots.
Yanman.be
I know it's stupid to claim a build. But what's even more stupid is people trying to say I copied it from someone else...that really infuriates me.
X Cytherea X
yea i believe you didnt copy tho
SOOOOOOooooo.....
about a/x spike builds? i think trampling ox is giving horns of the ox a run for its money as the kd of choice, being more damaging.
and given the ridiculous nerfage BSS has gotten (first a damage nerf then an energy nerf), and the fact that it is less damaging than both falling lotus and falling spider, maybe there is a new badass combo that will arise. be creative!
i havent done the math yet, but for starters, *points to build posted at top of page*
SOOOOOOooooo.....
about a/x spike builds? i think trampling ox is giving horns of the ox a run for its money as the kd of choice, being more damaging.
and given the ridiculous nerfage BSS has gotten (first a damage nerf then an energy nerf), and the fact that it is less damaging than both falling lotus and falling spider, maybe there is a new badass combo that will arise. be creative!
i havent done the math yet, but for starters, *points to build posted at top of page*
Sakura Az
Try this one
12+1+1 dagger
10+3 critical
8+1 deadly
healing prayers 2
vamp daggers of fort and daggers of enchanting for using restful breeze
radient insignias
shadow prison {E}
dark prison
Black mantis strike
jungle Strike
Trampling Ox
Falling lotus strike
Blades of steel
Restful breeze
basicly... you can spike nearly anyone every 15 seconds, just shadowstep and use the combo in order, so long as they don't block they will die. you may have to hit warriors a few times, or just hit them again with black mantis strike.
This an AB build.. i spent an entire game with most of the kurz screaming at me because i would kill one of them every 15 seconds.
12+1+1 dagger
10+3 critical
8+1 deadly
healing prayers 2
vamp daggers of fort and daggers of enchanting for using restful breeze
radient insignias
shadow prison {E}
dark prison
Black mantis strike
jungle Strike
Trampling Ox
Falling lotus strike
Blades of steel
Restful breeze
basicly... you can spike nearly anyone every 15 seconds, just shadowstep and use the combo in order, so long as they don't block they will die. you may have to hit warriors a few times, or just hit them again with black mantis strike.
This an AB build.. i spent an entire game with most of the kurz screaming at me because i would kill one of them every 15 seconds.
fireflyry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanman.be
I know it's stupid to claim a build. But what's even more stupid is people trying to say I copied it from someone else...that really infuriates me.
Now that I can completely understand.
Laenavesse
if there is NO HEALING >_>!
16 Deadly
9 Dagger
8 Crit
rest Shadow
Jagged Strike
Wild Strike
Vampiric Assault
Impale
Signet of Deadly Corruption
Poison Tip Signet [applied before the chain even starts]
If you wanted to toss in Temple Strike just to have the extra 19 damage from the signet (it gives 111 for 3 conditions, max is 130) then yeah. But this thing packs a punch o_o Warriors are taken down to less than 100 hp so just needed a few thwacks. Softies just go bye bye. Cept monks. Conditions removal takes out the "spike" at the end. It WILL kill monks though..it just takes longer than would be liked. It doesn't help them heal their teammates at least ;D For monks, the KDs are what own them (and daze..in fact daze AND KD is like overkill).
I'm not going to take full credit for this. My original idea was using Entangling Asp instead of poison tip (which works just as well..brings a KD, just longer recharge) and it was still in the experimental phase (Virulence...). I had read about the poison tip signet from another thread and tried it out. I like both xD And it was on the same wavelength so..it's an idea that more than one person came up with ^^
16 Deadly
9 Dagger
8 Crit
rest Shadow
Jagged Strike
Wild Strike
Vampiric Assault
Impale
Signet of Deadly Corruption
Poison Tip Signet [applied before the chain even starts]
If you wanted to toss in Temple Strike just to have the extra 19 damage from the signet (it gives 111 for 3 conditions, max is 130) then yeah. But this thing packs a punch o_o Warriors are taken down to less than 100 hp so just needed a few thwacks. Softies just go bye bye. Cept monks. Conditions removal takes out the "spike" at the end. It WILL kill monks though..it just takes longer than would be liked. It doesn't help them heal their teammates at least ;D For monks, the KDs are what own them (and daze..in fact daze AND KD is like overkill).
I'm not going to take full credit for this. My original idea was using Entangling Asp instead of poison tip (which works just as well..brings a KD, just longer recharge) and it was still in the experimental phase (Virulence...). I had read about the poison tip signet from another thread and tried it out. I like both xD And it was on the same wavelength so..it's an idea that more than one person came up with ^^
Sqube
Laenavesse, that build is not the most damaging. It's got decent lifesteal and armor ignoring damage from Vampiric Assault, but I feel very confident that BLS --> TF --> BSS --> BoS is superior. Of course, I don't have EotN yet, so I can't take it to the Isle of the Nameless and test it out.
And while conditions are always good, they form the core of the damage in your build. You seem to be relying on conditions to cause damage over time. Monks heal. More importantly, condition removal will take all the bite out of your build.
You need a significant amount of +damage to wreak havoc with a build.
And while conditions are always good, they form the core of the damage in your build. You seem to be relying on conditions to cause damage over time. Monks heal. More importantly, condition removal will take all the bite out of your build.
You need a significant amount of +damage to wreak havoc with a build.
fireflyry
I have to agree.
A DM build without BoS is losing to much spike damage imo.
The chances of getting it's return(120), I see this thread has become more PvP orientated, as opposed to Signet of Deadly Corruption (which your only getting 111 on in a best case scenario) is far greater.
Bigger spike, no reliance on the opposition not having condition removal which as said above will kill your spike.
Imo you don't want to put the control of your spikes potential DPS in the hands of your target.
A DM build without BoS is losing to much spike damage imo.
The chances of getting it's return(120), I see this thread has become more PvP orientated, as opposed to Signet of Deadly Corruption (which your only getting 111 on in a best case scenario) is far greater.
Bigger spike, no reliance on the opposition not having condition removal which as said above will kill your spike.
Imo you don't want to put the control of your spikes potential DPS in the hands of your target.
Icy DS
K so i am laying claim to this chain then (you can also use MY extra special version subing twisting fangs for horns of the ox) and calling it the Icy DS'sin
FROM THIS MOMENT FORTH ANY ASSASSIN BUILDS THAT USE EITHER BLACK LOTUS STRIKE OR BLACK SPIDER STRIKE ARE NOW KNOWN AS THE ICY DS'SIN
[skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Blades of Steel[/skill]
FROM THIS MOMENT FORTH ANY ASSASSIN BUILDS THAT USE EITHER BLACK LOTUS STRIKE OR BLACK SPIDER STRIKE ARE NOW KNOWN AS THE ICY DS'SIN
[skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Blades of Steel[/skill]
Bobby2
lol! I got 3 different IcyDS builds! kthxbye
Seriously, the dmg on BSS is somewhat underwhelming. I suppose with Mark of Instability, TF could cause KD - that way you can take Falling Spider i/o BSS - but the build loses some of its versatility.
Seriously, the dmg on BSS is somewhat underwhelming. I suppose with Mark of Instability, TF could cause KD - that way you can take Falling Spider i/o BSS - but the build loses some of its versatility.
xaleo21
Hexes are like crack. When they're out and there are no more on the enemy, most chains just stop.
Enchants just distract ye and are best left to Dervs (if you think meleers should really have enchants [<.<] )
Just Death Blossom -> eMoebius Strike... it's fast and nearly free if you're Crit enough... and Zealous...
Enchants just distract ye and are best left to Dervs (if you think meleers should really have enchants [<.<] )
Just Death Blossom -> eMoebius Strike... it's fast and nearly free if you're Crit enough... and Zealous...
Bobby2
There's more to Sins than DB spamming. Not?