Why GW Needs Some Grind

If AN wants my support then:
a) remove grind or make it optional in every aspect
b) separate pvp and pve The grind of titles is optional. The grind is completely optional, maybe except the 10k faction yo need in Cantha. Separating PvP and PvE... not much to say. I don't have a problem with it anyways.

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Please, tell me, what's so HARD about grinding that you're saying that people who don't want to grind want everythinge easily?
Do you have problems entering Area X, killing Y mobs using Z skills, pressing C and space? Gosh, I feel so bad. Well ur saying urself that grind is easy, its simply going out killing monsters, earning points.

OK I think that anet took a step away from their game model when they introduced this title grind. Yea its "optional" to grind the titles but it still has an impact on gameplay. When someone wants to get new armors, they literally are forced to grind in order to get them, yes that is optional but it still limits a certain aspect of gameplay to grinding.

Now, that being said the "grind" in GW is not that severe, req 5 in GW:EN titles in order to get armor? That honestly is not that hard, in a week or at most a month of just casually going out killing monsters and completing quests a player will be able to earn req 5 and be able to purchase the "new" armor. The only way I can imagine someone not being able to achieve req 5 is if they actively go and avoid the NPC point givers.

Yes GW took a step away from their business model when they introduced this grinding but honestly its not that hard. Sure its a little inconvient when I want to get new armor but am not able to immediately but the grind required is not like it'll take me 100 hrs of continuously playing.

Please don't ignore what I'm saying, k?
Let's take simple example.
People bought GWEN.
GWEN contains new (*cough*) armours.
GWEN armours are part of your $.
The ONLY way now to get these armours is to grind.

So, yeah, you can say that 'this and that is optional' but when it comes to reality it turns out that 75% are optional and the 25% = 5h gameplay. Want the rest? Grind.

Now this reminds me why most of the MMOs suck donkey ballz



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Way to ignore everything that's been said before champ, you win teh intarwebz ??? The only thing you really have to really "grind" for are items. The titles are nothing. You can either earn your armor, or you can just not get it. It's optional, no one is forcing you to get it. Sure, you definitely bought the game, but its completely optional, still. Do you buy every MMO or every game expecting "I want this, I don't want to earn it, I just want it."? From your point of view, we might as well drop the currency and get everything for free. Right? Screw making money to get destroyer weapons. I paid for the game, now I deserve to get it. As people have said before, "grinding" to rank 5 doesn't even take much.

The grind of titles is optional. The grind is completely optional, maybe except the 10k faction yo need in Cantha. Separating PvP and PvE... not much to say. I don't have a problem with it anyways. Yeah it's optional, it also makes up the bulk of the content in the game. After you're done with the story, what else is left to do? Oh what? Grind? Ok. That's awesome. Grind or PvP. And despite what you've somehow deluded yourself into thinking, grinding is not a challenge.

Well ur saying urself that grind is easy, its simply going out killing monsters, earning points.

OK I think that anet took a step away from their game model when they introduced this title grind. Yea its "optional" to grind the titles but it still has an impact on gameplay. When someone wants to get new armors, they literally are forced to grind in order to get them, yes that is optional but it still limits a certain aspect of gameplay to grinding.

Now, that being said the "grind" in GW is not that severe, req 5 in GW:EN titles in order to get armor? That honestly is not that hard, in a week or at most a month of just casually going out killing monsters and completing quests a player will be able to earn req 5 and be able to purchase the "new" armor. The only way I can imagine someone not being able to achieve req 5 is if they actively go and avoid the NPC point givers.

Yes GW took a step away from their business model when they introduced this grinding but honestly its not that hard. Sure its a little inconvient when I want to get new armor but am not able to immediately but the grind required is not like it'll take me 100 hrs of continuously playing. I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

I will not play GWEN because of the grind. My choice. Like I have stated several times it cost about the same as a couple of BAD movies and lasted a little less time.

Now, will GW2 have it? Will anet tell us so the ones that don't want to grind will not waste thier money on it? Those are the questions I would like to know.

I dont see how you can consider getting rank to wear the armors is considered grind. At some point, you are going to need money anyway, so what difference does it make if you farm a title to get the money or farm a different location for money?

Theyre all faction specific, like the kurzick/luxon armor, both of which you cant get without "proving your allegiance".

If you understood his original post thoroughly, you would understand how grind=money. Hourly charges+titles that take hours to earn = more hours played.

Also, your argument about the money from chapters/in game store being enough. Sure, no one wants to spend a lot of money even on a great game, but on the other hand, you want it to survive.

Think about it. Say someone who has been playing 2 years has bought all 3 games and GWEN, as well as 2 character slots so they can have one of each profession. Assuming they bought all the games new, that would be $210 worth of purchases. That would be $150 less than what the average WoW player would be paying for 2 years worth of monthly subscriptions alone. Add server transfers and possible purchases of disked versions of the game and you get an even larger number. Multiply that by a couple 100,000 users and that is a big chunk of money, any way you look at it. So dont even try to kid yourself that Guild Wars is ripping you off financially by making you grind for a few hours to get armor that you want and are completely optional. Heck the ranks are probably optional as well, seeing as how everyone is complaining about it being so easy.

Lastly, if you want people to read over your posts, try not to sound idiotic by reinforcing your beliefs with statements that contradict points that are clearly made in the original post. Well, considering this. How about all the people who bought the game, didn't like it, and left. The cost of those customers is minimal and the profit great. I know plenty of people that did not like GW. It happens same as people not liking WOW. Real question is, if GW2 goes this way will there be room for another WOW? If not, GW2 fails in that arena and anet looses. If they continue to cater to the non grinders, GW grows as it has. I think the business model was working up to now. We will see what happens, but in the process of changing as they have, they lost customers.

Also, the customers they count on for advertising are now saying, "Oh man, GWEN sucks, don't need to get that one". I know, hear it every day.

Yeah it's optional, it also makes up the bulk of the content in the game. After you're done with the story, what else is left to do? Oh what? Grind? Ok. That's awesome. Grind or PvP. And despite what you've somehow deluded yourself into thinking, grinding is not a challenge. I never said grinding was a challenge, we all know its extremely easily. All you do is go outside and C-Space. Guild Wars doesn't have much content for end game, I'm pretty sure we all bought it expecting that.

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

I will not play GWEN because of the grind. My choice. Like I have stated several times it cost about the same as a couple of BAD movies and lasted a little less time.

Now, will GW2 have it? Will anet tell us so the ones that don't want to grind will not waste thier money on it? Those are the questions I would like to know. i dont know what youre on about. in another thread you started a petition to have gwen skills limited to gwen and no other campaigns because of pugs in DoA demanding skills from gwen.

id say the vast majority of people would consider DoA to be mindless grinding and "c, spacebar" as you like to put it.

like many other people have already stated, if you just play through gwen, do some side questing, and jump in a dungeon or two, youll have ample rank to make any of the pve only skills effective.

the differences in pve only skill effectiveness is so nominal between rank 4-5 and max its laughable that people find a need to complain about it.