Synergizing Hero Builds?
Destro Maniak
Can anyone explain me what is guard cause I really wonder what is it. I allwyas see my heroes attack at guard
xcody
is this 3 necro build works good if my character is magical character?
like monk, elementalist.
or is there a better build?
like monk, elementalist.
or is there a better build?
Destro Maniak
sabway owns everything every prof anytime:P
Mr. Undisclosed
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Originally Posted by miprat
So is there any other option beside jagged bones? I dont have that elite and I have read that is what causes the MM to be slow and out of aggro range.
Its not jagged its deathnova. They like to spam this at the worst times, so out of battle I disable it.
MercenaryKnight
If your going up against high level foes even though it's an inconvenience let him cast death nova a few times then flag him like right into enemy aggro, then as soon as the minions rush off unflag him. Works for me and adds damage quickly.
xiaotsu
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Originally Posted by Destro Maniak
Can anyone explain me what is guard cause I really wonder what is it. I allwyas see my heroes attack at guard
They only attack when something attacks the group. That's what guard is.
ryu_okunato
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Originally Posted by Sab
This is basically a cut-down version of the HA Jagged Bones build. You don't need to micro anything, it's pretty much PvE on auto pilot. (used this to vanquish the Jungle by the way, this should work well anywhere else.)
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N/Rt
[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill][skill]Barbs[/skill][skill]Rip Enchantment[/skill]
[skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Death Pact Signet[/skill]
Curses: 12+1+1
Soul Reaping: 12+1
Restoration Magic: 3
[SS Necro;OAhjYwHc4Q5BCN2BlB7OYgVVJXA]
N/Rt
[skill]Weapon of Remedy[/skill][skill]Splinter Weapon[/skill][skill]Mend Body and Soul[/skill][skill]Spirit Light[/skill][skill]Protective was Kaolai[/skill][skill]Life[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Death Pact Signet[/skill]
Soul Reaping: 8+1+1
Restoration Magic: 12
Channeling Magic: 10
[WoR Necro Healer;OAhjYghsoOYbMm0cyNMHnV1kL]
N/Mo
[skill]Jagged Bones[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Minions[/skill][skill]Death Nova[/skill][skill]Blood of the Master[/skill][skill]Remove Hex[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill]
Death Magic: 12+1+1 or 12+1+3
Soul Reaping: 9+1
Protection Prayers: 9
[Jagged MM;OANTUYT+yZpWFQD4hWS9IgUVB]
Original version: i love this build and i use it a lot but the big problem i have wit it is wat i'd do wit nf missions when i'm forced to use a certain hero. also can u tell me the runes and insignias used?
Updated version:
N/Rt
[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill][skill]Barbs[/skill][skill]Rip Enchantment[/skill]
[skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Death Pact Signet[/skill]Curses: 12+1+1
Soul Reaping: 12+1
Restoration Magic: 3
[SS Necro;OAhjYwHc4Q5BCN2BlB7OYgVVJXA]
N/Rt
[skill]Weapon of Remedy[/skill][skill]Splinter Weapon[/skill][skill]Mend Body and Soul[/skill][skill]Spirit Light[/skill][skill]Protective was Kaolai[/skill][skill]Life[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Death Pact Signet[/skill]
Soul Reaping: 8+1+1
Restoration Magic: 12
Channeling Magic: 10
[WoR Necro Healer;OAhjYghsoOYbMm0cyNMHnV1kL]
N/Mo
[skill]Jagged Bones[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Minions[/skill][skill]Death Nova[/skill][skill]Blood of the Master[/skill][skill]Remove Hex[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill]
Death Magic: 12+1+1 or 12+1+3
Soul Reaping: 9+1
Protection Prayers: 9
[Jagged MM;OANTUYT+yZpWFQD4hWS9IgUVB]
Original version: i love this build and i use it a lot but the big problem i have wit it is wat i'd do wit nf missions when i'm forced to use a certain hero. also can u tell me the runes and insignias used?
Destro Maniak
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Originally Posted by ryu_okunato
i love this build and i use it a lot but the big problem i have wit it is wat i'd do wit nf missions when i'm forced to use a certain hero. also can u tell me the runes and insignias used?
well gate of maddness doesnt req a particular hero so you can make the SS guy spoil victor and go. I dont think any other mission are hard. And you cant use MM in some missions so lvl6 dunkoro will do just the same good*lol* I hate that we forced to use particular heroes
Destro Maniak
BTW can someone pls ping a Spoil Victor Build.
TY
TY
ryu_okunato
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Originally Posted by Destro Maniak
BTW can someone pls ping a Spoil Victor Build.
TY i can't access gw atm but i do remember the skills for the gate of madness one. they were
vampiric gaze, spoil victor, lifebane strike, enfeebling blood, life siphon, blood ritual, demonic flesh and either rez signet or reg rez
TY i can't access gw atm but i do remember the skills for the gate of madness one. they were
vampiric gaze, spoil victor, lifebane strike, enfeebling blood, life siphon, blood ritual, demonic flesh and either rez signet or reg rez
cyber88
Anyways. Usually for those missions that forces you to use certain heroes, it boils down to what you can do without. For example, if healing is not a concern, you can drop the necro rit for that hero & bring another monk hench. But of course, it boils down to personal preference. 
ryu_okunato
i guess tat'll help me a bit
Cropheus
Well a 10/10 for the maker of these builds. I used it with a healer, earth, protection and Interrupt henchies, and myself a water ELE. Doing the complete Glints challenge in under 20 minutes.
Big UPS.
Big UPS.
ryu_okunato
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Originally Posted by Cropheus
Well a 10/10 for the maker of these builds. I used it with a healer, earth, protection and Interrupt henchies, and myself a water ELE. Doing the complete Glints challenge in under 20 minutes.
Big UPS. i wonder if i could do tat with me being a tank?
Big UPS. i wonder if i could do tat with me being a tank?
cyber88
If you are a tank, take Mark Of Pain on your curse hero & you will see dmg flying.
ryu_okunato
i'll try tat althought wat would i replace it for?
cyber88
I m not too sure for case. But for me, I play an offensive smiter. I took out Pure Was Li Ming and replace it with Mark of Pain. Even the minons attacking triggering MOP without me doing melee is nice enuff. Alternatively, you could try ancestor's rage for a less conditional dmg.
Pvp4lyfe
i steamrolled right through half of tyria with these
(Dunkoro, Talkora or Ogden) Mo/A: word of healing, vig spirit, cure hex, spotless soul, watchful healing (yea i know), dark escape, return, restore life
(Master of Whispers, Olias, Livia) N/D: Aura of the Lich. Dark Bond, infuse condition, mystic regeneration, bone horror, bone minions, blood of master, sig of lost souls
(Vekk, Zhed, Souske) E/Me fireball, archane echo, mind blast, meteor shower, auspisious incantation, rodrogt invoc., fire attunement, breath of fire
and some henchies. works like a charm
(Dunkoro, Talkora or Ogden) Mo/A: word of healing, vig spirit, cure hex, spotless soul, watchful healing (yea i know), dark escape, return, restore life
(Master of Whispers, Olias, Livia) N/D: Aura of the Lich. Dark Bond, infuse condition, mystic regeneration, bone horror, bone minions, blood of master, sig of lost souls
(Vekk, Zhed, Souske) E/Me fireball, archane echo, mind blast, meteor shower, auspisious incantation, rodrogt invoc., fire attunement, breath of fire
and some henchies. works like a charm
The Arching Healer
I like the SAB build but i dont like splinter weapon at the n/rt.. And I also add rising bile + putrid bile on the Jagged when I dont need the prot skills (HM in Tyria for example).
I have my questions about the guy above me. Hero's with arcane echo? PvE healers with return? Q_Q
I have my questions about the guy above me. Hero's with arcane echo? PvE healers with return? Q_Q
Teutonic Paladin
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Originally Posted by Lots of People
Mark of Pain
I actually disagree with the use of MoP whether you're running physical damage or not, heroes use it far too often and it has a large energy cost. Splinter Weapon gives you nearly the same return on damage, synergizes with Wielder's Boon, and is in the same attribute as Ancestor's Rage. Splinter also triggers on wands/staves/elemental weapons.
Martin Firestorm
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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer
I have my questions about the guy above me. Hero's with arcane echo? PvE healers with return? Q_Q
Yeah, I don't get that either. Arcane echo in particular I have tested with heroes. They never use it properly. It only works if you disable it and activate it manually, which defeats the purpose of heroes for me.
Songbringer
will they cast splinter on the minions cause im an ele about to try this and dont want to take it if they wont T_T
ryu_okunato
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Originally Posted by Songbringer
will they cast splinter on the minions cause im an ele about to try this and dont want to take it if they wont T_T
i don't think they would, they mostly do it on wars,sins,ders, maybe paragons and definatly rangers (in eotn it might be a really good thing to take aiden as a henchman with these builds on ur heroes for the barrage/splinter combo)
Songbringer
alrdy vanquished 1 area going mid way through 2nd....but damn those fire imps own me there is group of like 15 that just rodgort the hell out of me
T1Cybernetic
I just started to vanquish and figured i would give these builds a shot so far so good, first three areas in nightfall went smooth thanks...
so far so good, first three areas in nightfall went smooth thanks...
Destro Maniak
Well switch MM on areas without many corpses(like a time for heroes) And get a healprot ogden. I also remove barbs and such if we arent melee damage people.
Um Yeah
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Originally Posted by ryu_okunato
i don't think they would, they mostly do it on wars,sins,ders, maybe paragons and definatly rangers (in eotn it might be a really good thing to take aiden as a henchman with these builds on ur heroes for the barrage/splinter combo)
In my experience, heroes use splinter on anybody wielding a martial weapon. I play a monk, and many times I have switched from prot staff to +60 shield+sword set to be hit up with splinter a second or two later. I then just switch back to prot staff and wand at balled up groups. It's a useful way of microing splinter if you're (like me) too lazy to open up the hero's bar and click on splinter. On the other hand though, I've also noticed times where Olias has used splinter randomly on the other heroes when they weren't wanding at the time.
Darkside
From my experience they cast splinter weapon on everyone...I ran the triple nec hero's with my monk and even tho I never switched from my wand/focus to anything else they kept casting splinter weapon on me. Seems like they cast it on whomever is at the front of the pack that is about to attack a group.
Marverick
Just a quick question:
What would be the ideal weapon for the MM bomber? Should I use an Adept 20/20 Staff of Enchanting or Insightful 20/20 Staff of Enchanting? Or something else?
What would be the ideal weapon for the MM bomber? Should I use an Adept 20/20 Staff of Enchanting or Insightful 20/20 Staff of Enchanting? Or something else?
MercenaryKnight
I load up my mm with a 20% rod and 20% focus. Don't really see the need for enchanting mod since after it loads up death novas and one of them dies he usually is summoning new minions which will instantly kill the old ones (if your max limit is reached).
ryu_okunato
i just relized tta if u're doing something wit just heroes/henchman the rit healer will mostly likely cast splinter on the player
cyber88
Yea. If you bring H/H only, the necro rit will prioritise martial weapon users then the player or minons whoever is closer to the rit.
Marverick
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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
I load up my mm with a 20% rod and 20% focus. Don't really see the need for enchanting mod since after it loads up death novas and one of them dies he usually is summoning new minions which will instantly kill the old ones (if your max limit is reached).
Aegis and Prot Spirit last longer.
Songbringer
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Originally Posted by cyber88
I know this may sound kinda of noob since I have posted a few posts here. But as a monk, do you think running myself as a smiter is generally better then spec into heal/prot monk while leaving all damage control to the H/H?
run the support smiter from pvx. I believe it is a pvp build but with couple mods I bet would work for you in pve. Specially around undead
run the support smiter from pvx. I believe it is a pvp build but with couple mods I bet would work for you in pve. Specially around undead
fab100
If I'm going with a party of 8, what should I add?
cyber88
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Originally Posted by Songbringer
run the support smiter from pvx. I believe it is a pvp build but with couple mods I bet would work for you in pve. Specially around undead
Juz looked at it. It is interesting. Worth a shot. 
Currently I am running a signet smiter build. Thx
Currently I am running a signet smiter build. Thx
JoeB
This is awesome, thanks Sab!
Would you or someone care to reccomend insignias for them, I've never messed with necros.
1 other quick question (I know - noob) do you set the heros to guard or fight? -Thanks
Would you or someone care to reccomend insignias for them, I've never messed with necros.
1 other quick question (I know - noob) do you set the heros to guard or fight? -Thanks
Marverick
Survivor on all of them.
Use fight only for interrupters and guard for everyone else.
Use fight only for interrupters and guard for everyone else.
cyber88
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Originally Posted by Marverick
Survivor on all of them.
Use fight only for interrupters and guard for everyone else. Agree with Marverick. My SS & Rit healer is on survivor. Only my MM is using Minion Master insignia.
Use fight only for interrupters and guard for everyone else. Agree with Marverick. My SS & Rit healer is on survivor. Only my MM is using Minion Master insignia.
Sab
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Originally Posted by fab100
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Originally Posted by JoeB
This is awesome, thanks Sab!
Would you or someone care to reccomend insignias for them, I've never messed with necros. 1 other quick question (I know - noob) do you set the heros to guard or fight? -Thanks Quoting myself from another post: Runes: Tormenter's on chest and legs, Bloodstained on hands if running corpse spells, Survivors for the rest. Sup Death/Minor Curses on headpiece, Sup Vigor, Minor Soul Reaping, Vitae for the rest. As for equipment, I'd suggest 40/40 Curses for the SS Nec, 40% HCT/20% Enchanting Death Staff for the MM, and 40/40 Resto for the healer (though he'll be holding a pot most of the time). I usually set all my heroes on Guard. |