40 armor sets

Sorry, but I've been a Moderator on another site for five years. It's kind of ingrained now

A quote for the ages.

I'm not the one talking about getting a lawyer over what is printed on a game box. I'm not the one asking Anet where the "other nine armors are" when I alraedy know they counted Dwarven as part of the "Forty new armor sets." Methinks some people need to learn when to quit while they're ahead. Or, in some cases, when they're as close to ahead as they're going to get.


This might be hard to believe, but concerns can actually be raised without whining like a stymied child in a Toys R Us. Believe it or not, I too feel the drop in armor quality is a valid point. In fact, my main character (the one after which this account is named) used to be a pvp character, but when I stopped HAing I made her pve so I could protect the name for good and so I could collect armors. In case this point is lost on you, that means that I am one of those people who "like[s] to work towards this end;" in fact, armor acquisition is at the moment my main purpose in playing GW. I don't like the reskins either, but you get what you pay for and if you really wanted to be that discerning, you'd have waited until the wiki articles came up to buy GWEN. From where I sit, the lot of you don't have a leg to stand on when you rush out to buy expansions the day they come out only to find you're disappointed with the content. If you really feel like you've wasted your money, perhaps this will teach you to research the product first.

Now don't get me wrong: I bought GWEN the day it came out. I'm not entirely satisfied (it doesn't feel like a full expansion to me, but at least it didn't cost fifty bucks), but I'm not about to whine about the armors because I could have always waited to see them first. Next time, if you're that concerned about it, just wait until the goddamn wikis come up and then ask yourself if its worth it. If the armors all suck (as many here seem to be suggesting) because they're reskins, you don't have to buy the expansion. Huzzah for Capitalism!

No, you're the one acting as if you knew better than everyone and look down from your mountain of perfect knowledge about how to act. Calling out a lawyer may be stupid, but don't act like you've "got it". Most people aren't freaking out that bad, they just think the reskins suck.
And moaning about what people post on the board is not "exasperatingly trivial" in comparison? please...
That's the dumbest things I've ever heard. You, in one breath say you're not satisfied, and in another say others who aren't satisfied need to not buy the game or shut up. Like I said, some people think the reskins suck, but still like the game. That would be people like me. I certainly think the quality of the armor & dungeons should have been better for what we paid, but I'll pay it.
You're taking people's displeasure with the armor (and people saying give us sets or admit this 40 thing is bunk) and blowing out of proportion because a few people want to go about it by lawyer talk and asking for refunds. Your straw man is dead, now if you want to attack the 2-3 people on this thread that actually act as you describe, at least IM them and keep yourself looking "mature enough to deal with it".
Personally, I don't care all that much about the 40# thing. (although I find it interesting that they made the whole situation confusing) I just think the reskins were a cop-out. Do I want then to make REAL sets? Sure, why not? I can use the "40 new sets" as an argument, or I can just use common sense and say "Anet, you know reskinning is a cop-out. Comon."

Someone has to do it

You must not get out much.

Incorrect. I say I'm not entirely satisfied, but that bitching about reskins or dwarf armor "sets" is pointless because if that's why you're buying the game, just wait for the wikis to come out. I bought GWEN so I could port some of my stuff to GW2, and for added pve content and skills. I like to pvp every now and again so it was important to me that I have all the skills in the game at my beck and call. Those are my own reasons just as everyone else has theirs. But buying GWEN for the armors without waiting to see what they look like first is an error on the buyer's part, not ANet's.

You've got people typing in all caps and threatening lawsuits and I'm the one blowing it out of proportion?

But really though, it never ceases to amaze me how few people are actually capable of recognizing a straw man. Explain to me how "Marketing bends the truth sometimes" and "You don't have to buy new expansions" are straw men, please. Those, being my two main points, would have to be straw men for your accusation to be valid.


Agreed. Now if you can only do away with the self-righteous BS about defending whiners from my "parenting," we should be set. Sorry if I prefer my complaints to be more structured and substantive, but I call em as I see em.

QQ more people, really. You should be more pissed that the individual sets of armor are recycled skins more so than the fact there aren't 40 full new sets.

Oh yeah totally. They said "40 new armor sets" instead of "200 new armor pieces." You guys should definitely write letters to your Congressmen about these questionable business practices.

...because then you might be too busy to continue posting this garbage.

I guess that makes two of us since you can't seem to hold back from acting as if you knew better than everyone.
Wow.. and you say I don't know what a strawman is. Not everyone here is bitching about the armor because we only want armor from the game. I know it's hard for you to grasp, but some people complain because that causes change too.
Yes. You lump everyone into the "retard reaction" catergory, by just addressing everyone when you know full well not everyone is reacting that way.
lol no. Those are the two points you choose to pick out of your tirade. Your defining what I think before I even say it, your assumption that everyone that complains about the armor hates it enough to not buy the game is a strawman.
Oh please. Don't stand on a mountain then point the finger and say "self-righteous BS". If you have issues with people point THEM out. Don't lump them into the "complainers = idiot" category. I say you're no better than the people here because people are people, but acting like you've got the inside scoop on life isn't much better than whining about lawyer action. Maybe that's just my pet peeve, maybe it's the way you do it, but as you say, someone's gotta say it.

wow you guys are such losers. grow up and stop crying about the new armor sets. "aww i only get 3 new armor sets instead of 4! "

Originally Posted by Nadia Roark
You've got people typing in all caps and threatening lawsuits and I'm the one blowing it out of proportion?

and as for lawsuits, you'll lose the case. if your not aware this is a forum for a video game. grow up the courts don't give a shit about what you say on a forum.

Both of you making extremely long flame posts directed at each other and you both are trying to take the "i'm more mature" stance?

...

The mature person would be the one who just lets it go, and that's pretty clearly neither of you.

I want to find the other 29

lol at the bichfest XD

dood. the guy that said he would get his lawyer is obviously joking. you guys ever heard of a joke? but yea, i am one of those people who play and aim at getting new armor. i am disappointed in the reskins and the lack of the fourth set, but what can we do about it. Areanet knows were mad, and im sure theyve thought about it. They are going to either reskin one more armor set/release another set, or have angry customers. Either way its their call. just depends on how much they want customers.

Lol, please. I guess you're trying to be a Tiananmen Square protester standing in front of the line of tanks?, hurry up and jump out of the way.

Please, please, please do not talk about the Guild Wars code base if you do not actually work on it. Most people who do talk about the "code" of GW usually don't know much about programming, and those who do know about programming should know how you might program an application is not how everyone else would. It could be a 15 second job like NeHoMaR said, but that's assuming something we do not know.

As for the 40 sets, there will probably be an "additional" release. I'd say hold your complaints until the release of Hard Mode.

Gaile alraedy stated that Dwarven is not a set. Alraedy this thread's getting derailed by you and Darksun; let's try to keep it on topic. It was funny at first, but it's alraedy getting old.
It would tickle me silly if the mission bonus pack was eotn-only and came with the missing set.

This talk of false advertising is just silly. All I see is people mis-interpreting something, and whining because their interpretation is wrong.

You missed the rest of the line you're quoting.

"40 new armor sets, including rare, stand-alone pieces"

That means that in that 40 there are some rare stand-alone pieces. The Dwarven armour is stand alone pieces, and so is covered by the statement. Therefore, we got more than advertised.

It didn't have to be a set ever. With the way that sentence is phrased, you could easily have only 1 actual "set" and just 39 Chest, Leg, Foot and Arm pieces, while still having what was stated. It all ends up being a matter of opinion.

What they said rofl.

Also omg not just the armors are reskins, its the monsters,the pets,the bosses,the items,the..... o wait a sec isn't everything supposed to look different? I Remember fighting some fire imps in proph and omg the ice imps are reskins too ....OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNooooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeesssssssssss

/sarcasm off

The game is a game, it is fun or it isn't. You decide. Don't assume that things are changing or staying the same. Enjoy what ya have while ya got it.

Posting in this historic trainwreck of a thread.



Seriously guys, hats off to you.

Just when I thought we had covered complaining about every conceivable aspect of GW:EN, you still come up with quality whining.

Good times.

I wasn't aware they packaged two boxes. Can I see yours?

This sentence contradicted itself before the game was even released.

That sentence explicitly states that those 40 includes stand-alone pieces--thus by definition they aren't 40 complete armor "sets." By that alone, you could have figured out that they didn't literally mean complete sets the very day that phrase came out in a press release.

By virtue of the fact that they came right out and said that those 40 sets included stand-alone pieces shows that they didn't intentionally mislead anyone. Its right there in black and white. If they said 40 sets, and then released 20 (or even just the equivalent of 20 in "stand-alone pieces"), you might have a valid point.

Completely agree. "40" "new" and "sets" are all deliberately misleading, whether or not you were personally misled, whether or not you feel personally affected. Maybe you folks don't get upset over spending $40 (x2, in my case) for a product that turned out to be quite substantially less than what it promised on the label - but I do. I wouldn't call it "whining" if I bought any other product that didn't have all the pieces - I'd complain in just the same way, and then I'd take it back. Video games continue to, frustratingly, escape any liability for things like this, and that means that as customers, our only recourse is right here.

That, and not spending another dime on NCSoft products.

I'm more than happy to drop it (since our conversation hasn't wheeled within, oh, say five miles of the topic in our last six or so posts) but I can't resist pointing out that I wasn't talking to or about Darksun to begin with. If I'm immature for defending my position, I suspect there isn't a single true adult among us.

But back to the topic at hand: I don't really mind that certain folks have complaints about Dwarven armor vis-a-vis the Hall of Monuments, but I get reeeeeally agitated (as I'm sure you can tell) when people really think they'll get their way by bitching as loudly and dumbly as they can. Part of the reason I'm so hard on them is because (are you ready for this?) I agree with them. I don't think endgame armor should be "mix and match;" and the tradition that anet has forged for endgame armor dating back to Prophecies was destroyed by the mechanics of Deldrimor armor.

However (and this is the important part), ANet probably isn't listening to the idiots shooting their mouths off about calling lawyers and whining about "false advertising." I'm concerned that legitimate concerns are being overlooked because the people raising them are (in most cases) doing a piss-poor job of explaining why the changes they don't like are either:

• Bad for the game, or,
• Displeasing to them as consumers

Saying "I don't like being lied to" may be true, but its hardly constructive criticism of how the developers and marketers handled the release of GWEN. The way some of these people are talking almost makes it sound like they're being forced to buy Dwarven Armor (by who? is ANet sending out its thugs?) since the chief compaint aside from cries of "false advertising" seems to be that it can't be displayed in the HoM.

Folks: If you don't like Dwarven Armor because it can't be displayed in the HoM, don't buy it. In fact.. if you don't like it for any reason at all, don't buy it!

From my understanding, one of the tests in false or misleading advertising cases is whether something is so obviously overexaggerated that a reasonable person would be able to pick that it's not actually the case.

Well, yeah... my example was something of a slippery slope, but the threat was funny to me in an outrageous sort of way so I responded in kind

Let's leave aside the silly talk of suing Anet, etc. How will suing Anet get you the quality armor you desire?

I propose a petition that asks Anet to make an Bonus Armor Pack available for $5 -$10.

This way everyone is happy: Anet gets more much needed money to develop what they really care about, GW2. And we get quality, not-reskinned armor sets. Win-win in my book.

Its too bad that we have a plethora of reskins... and so few new skins.

Yeah, actually, I think I'd spring for that. I'm not sure if the idea has occured to them, but here's to hoping someone over there is still following this thread. For $5 I'd probably expect one or two more sets for each class; for $10 I'd want three or more. Now the question is: Do you get the armor for paying the fee, or do you still have to farm materials and have it crafted in-game? I'd lean towards the latter, myself.

So...let's see here.

Complain about the reskins: check
Complain about the actual number of armor sets: check
say you'll pay MORE MONEY for actual new armor sets: check

WTF is going on here? You people say that Anet took our money and ran, we paid for something and didn't get it, now you propose to pay even MORE to get something we should have already gotten?

/NOTSIGNED for armor pack that I have to pay for.

Anet should do what they should have done: make the dwarven armor a set, and make new designs for Asuran and Monument. Period.

There's no leeway here: we paid for an expansion with 40 sets and got...10. Norn armor. Asuran: we already had. Monument: we already had. I want my 40 sets of armor, plzkthx

What about those of us who are content with the GWEN content as a whole but would still like to see more armors? I'm not going to judge GWEN solely on the quality of its armors (if I had done that to Nightfall I wouldn't have even bought the damn thing), and I'm not saying they "took my money and ran." I'm pretty happy with what I got, but more would still be neat.

The armor set "expansion" was proposed a whopping four posts ago (and, so far, has only been countenanced by you and myself) and suddenly "we people" are being hypocrites by saying ANet took our money and ran, while offering them more? Please at least try to pay attention here; it should be a novel experience.

You and many others really should settle down about this "40 Armor sets" thing. Guild Wars and other MMO's attempt to load themselves up with as much content as possible; focusing entirely on the armors and ignoring everything else just so you can bitch about them is myopic and mildly hilarious at the same time. If you're really buying GW expansions just for the armors, I would suggest finding a better use for your money.

And, once again (I can't resist!), anyone who's pissed about getting "ripped off" on GWEN armor reskins might do well to not rush to the online store next time to buy new expansions ASAP. If armor quality is your primary concern, wait until they get posted on wiki to decide if it's worth "grinding" for that armor or not. I'll grant that ANet could have done a better (i.e. "less lazy") job with some of these armor sets, but no one made you buy them. Product descriptions written by the company that created the product should always be taken with a grain of salt. Suck it up and quitcherbitchin.

Apparently yes, since I bought the game in the Online Store and so the Guild Wars site is basically my box.

Just wondering...for all of those who feel ripped off.

How many of you were actually planning to get all 40 armours anyway?

I was planning on getting armors for all 7 of my characters and having unique and interesting options to choose from...not just one set for each profession (norn) that doesn't even really look that good for most.

It doesn't matter if anyone was planning on getting all 40. What matters is there were supposed to be 40 new armors to choose from, not 10 and a few unmatched pieces elsewhere, and a bunch of overpriced time sink grind fest options that suck anyway.

If you were to buy a car that was advertised as being able to do 240 mph, but in real world testing in all situations that speed was unattainable... wouldn't you feel ripped off? Even if you never intended to drive it that fast? Sure that would be alot more money, but the example is valid.

I'll repeat myself: don't bitch about not getting what you paid for, then say you'll pay MORE for what you should have gotten in the first place.

I've been thinking for awhile now that an armour expansion pack would be nice, and I'd happily pay for it. But there's one thing I want to see more than anything: making all the professions equal in terms of how many armours they can get. At the moment, warriors have two more armour sets than any other profession (I think. I know they had five elite armours available in Prophecies instead of four. Can't remember if any other profession got an extra set), whereas Dervishes and Paragons have barely any at all.

I'd like to see the older campaigns upgraded to have armours for Assassins, Ritualists, Dervishes and Paragons. I'd be willing to pay for that. Of course, just a general armour expansion, where every professions gets a couple of extra sets would be nice as well.

Also, I agree with Nadia. I'm really happy with EotN, so the money I paid was not wasted. The only things I was particularly displeased about was that the Charr Homelands were so small, and the final cutscene was kind of lame. But overall, I was happy. So yeah, I'd be glad for anything that would mean Anet gets the funds to make GW2 a truly great game and I get extra content for GW1 while I wait.

EDIT:
Firsly, I would never buy a car solely based on how fast it can go. I buy something based on all the features, not just one specific feature. So, if I were looking to buy a car, and saw one that could do 240 mph, I would just turn away and look at something else. It's exactly like GW. I bought EotN for the game as a whole, and it means I'm not disappointed in the armours that are presented to us.

Secondly, just for the record, I never bitched about the armours, so I am well within my rights to say I'll pay more for extra content.

Well you have norn, asuran and vanguard armours so that adds up to 30 armour sets that can be placed in the HoM.
Then there are the dwarven "sets" which are questionable as they are not a set and the one armour set there for warriors.
So there are at least 3 choices for each of your characters.

However, the dwarven armours are not great and I do have the problem that I do not like any of the mesmer, ritualist, monk or dervish sets (female versions all). So I certainly agree there's an issue when it comes to the GWEN armours...

I wonder if this thread would've come about though if the armours would've looked better overall.

You're not reading my post.

The Asuran and Vanguard items are reskins. The Norn sets are the only new redesigned sets. Convenient that the Norn title track was the only one available during the preview event so those who saw the new Norn armors elsewhere would think that all the new armors would be unique. The only prior images we've seen of any armors were fuzzy photographs of a faded out computer screen during a press conference.

Just because they go in the HOM doesn't mean diddly. I can get other armors that can go into the HOM that look just like them. I want something new, and Norn armor....eh I just don't feel it.

This thread wouldn't have come about if they weren't fkn reskins! It's been said that the reskins look better in some cases than the armors they ripped off...but that's not the point. The point is that the armors aren't "new". They're old stuff that's been fiddled around with in photoshop.

Meat Axe...I didn't ask if you would buy a car that could go 240 mph, I said what if you did. IF you were the kind of person to have the money to buy a car based off of its speed....and those people do exist...would you or would you not feel ripped off if that speed was unattainable? It's bragging rights: "I own the fastest proven production car in the world!" Someone comes up to you with a Motor Trend test saying that it's not entirely true...it's virtually impossible to get that specific car to that speed...it was determined based solely on math. YES you would be pissed off and feel jipped.

This is a more realistic, more attainable goal than a 240 mph car. It's cheaper, but it's also easier to create, as well as fix.

Sure, you look at the whole package. What else is in GWEN? Grind. Rehashed dungeons build off of templates. Grind. Higher level enemies that drop low level loot. Short (albeit excellent and well done) storyline. Grind. Some new titles to max (by grinding). Oh wait, can't max them yet because no Hard Mode. Reskins of weapons. HoM that is incomplete at best. Grind.

See a trend here? Compare prices: Nightfall = 1 year old, in-game store it's $50 usd. 2 new character slots, entirely brand new armor sets, 25 heroes, huge explorables, whole new storyline that's as long as prophecies. 2 new professions. Hundreds of new skills that are viable in PvE AND PvP, and are not grind-based (other than sunspear skills...of course..but that number is nowhere near the amount of PvE-only grind-based skills in GWEN.

GWEN: $40 usd. no new character slots. Storyline shorter than Factions, doable in a few hours if you're good. No new professions. One hero for each profession. Elites...from nightfall, uncappable for anyone without Nightfall. No new elites, at all, other than the PvE only blessings.

I've looked at the whole picture, and I see a half-finished money trap, and Anet is laughing at all of us. Sure you may be content with what you got...but judging from the number of rants on this and other boards...alot of people are not content.

It's been said before, time and time again.

I hate to correct you, but the drawfs do have an armor set! Check the wiki. We have Norn, Asuran, Vangaurd and Drawf armor. We also have the prestige armor and the warriors (unfair) 5th armor set available from the drwafs.

In essence we have 41 new armor sets + pretige armor!

If you want to complain, then complain as to why the warriors got a 5th set and no one else did (ok I know the excuse about Anet never getting the chance to add it in previous campaigns and really liking it, but im sure they had armor sets for other professions they really liked and never added too!).

As for this issue of re-skins! I agree, but we still got 41 new armors (even if most were re-hashes to one degree or another)!

^ I think because the dwarf's armor set cannot be place in the HoM, that's why some people don't consider them as a set. Personally I don't like any of them so I'm not bother, might get that Norm's black&white masks, though. Maybe a pair of dragon gauntlet as well.

According to Gaile, they don't. and they don't intend to add one either.

If we did actually have 41 new armour sets, would everyone be complaing about false advertising because we got 1 more?

I think that the term armour set is very misleading anyway. What exactly can be counted as different armour sets? I would lean towards the more restrictive term, and say a set is that made by a particular group. For me there are 4, Monument, Norn, Asuran and Deldrimor, (though im not sure that i woudl count deldrimor when anet says it isnt a set).

A more generous interpretation is to say that armour sets are those availabel to the professions, which would give you 41, or 31, depending on the interpretation of what deldrimor armour is.

However you could be extremely overgenerous and say that any set is one that is different to any other, so you could split is among female and male as well doubling the available armour sets.

Personaly i dont care how many we got, i bought the game for different reasons, though the reskins does seem to be a bit lazy.

What part of expansion don't you understand? Since what game offers a expansion that is equal in content with the original game? Not even Blizzard (easily one of the top tier computer game developers) released expansions like that.

Well, I was planning on getting at leastone but 80% of them are reskins.

And this is why I don't make a whole thread suggesting it.

It will just be filled with posts like this. For the record, yes, I agree Anet did a shoddy job on the armor. But I also recognize that threats of suing and boycotting are not going to get more armor.

The question is: Do you want more armor or not? How badly do you want it?

As far as Anet is concerned, they met their bullet point: There does exist 40 "new" (ie, not identical) pieces of armor in the game. (My box says 40 sets, including individual pieces). The fact the majority are reskins does not apparently concern them.

So, if we're not going to get more armor for free, what's wrong with a little... incentive?