I am after some help regarding my current weapons and a suitable build for my tank. Here are the weapons I was lucky to find from chests in the Dungeon. I'm after armour penetration build if possible to match my axe stats.
Here are my weapons - what build is suitable?
Warpy
Marty Silverblade
When you say 'tank', do you mean actual tanking or just a Warrior in general? Tanking sucks and is a waste of time in most (i.e, 98%+) of PvE.
An armor penetration build... thing with this is that not all forms of AP stack, so you'll be limited in what you can take. I wouldn't take the concept too far, but you could try:
Str 13
Axe 16
[card]Eviscerate[/card][card]Executioner's Strike[/card][card]Agonizing Chop[/card][card]Penetrating Chop[/card][card]"For Great Justice!"[/card][card]Flail[/card][card]Lion's Comfort[/card][card]Rebirth[/card]
As I said, you don't want to go overboard with the AP stuff, because it doesn't all stack. The build is similar to yours, because yours is decent already and you don't need to fix what isn't broken.
An armor penetration build... thing with this is that not all forms of AP stack, so you'll be limited in what you can take. I wouldn't take the concept too far, but you could try:
Str 13
Axe 16
[card]Eviscerate[/card][card]Executioner's Strike[/card][card]Agonizing Chop[/card][card]Penetrating Chop[/card][card]"For Great Justice!"[/card][card]Flail[/card][card]Lion's Comfort[/card][card]Rebirth[/card]
As I said, you don't want to go overboard with the AP stuff, because it doesn't all stack. The build is similar to yours, because yours is decent already and you don't need to fix what isn't broken.
Div
Or take watch yourself instead of shields up in your build and you should be fine. That way, you'll be helping out the party too while outputting similar damage.
Stormlord Alex
Somebody's e-peen is showing. 
Sundering sucks and 5/-20 sucks.
Sundering sucks and 5/-20 sucks.
blue.rellik
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Somebody's e-peen is showing.
Sundering sucks and 5/-20 sucks. Correct on both accounts
Sundering sucks and 5/-20 sucks. Correct on both accounts
Turbobusa
Sundering is good with evisc, just not PvE where spikes are useless.
you got a good build, as holy masamune said, WY really helps preventing damage.
As for heal sig, I find i'm not using it at all when H/Hing, so i'd drop it for enraging charge/whatever you prefer.
you got a good build, as holy masamune said, WY really helps preventing damage.
As for heal sig, I find i'm not using it at all when H/Hing, so i'd drop it for enraging charge/whatever you prefer.
Warpy
I actually modded the haft from cruel, perhaps I should have left it. Thanks for the tips... what would you use instead of Luck of the Draw inscription on the shield?
vergerefosh
If you're not running self-enchant, or stancing or whatever, -5/20 not that bad
Stormlord Alex
A PvE warrior should pretty much always be in Flail.
-5/20% fails compared to -2/100%.
-5/20% fails compared to -2/100%.
Cold Hearted Zero
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Somebody's e-peen is showing.
Sundering sucks and 5/-20 sucks. quote ^^
id take vamp, zealous or furious instead. Marty Silverblade´s build looks okey but id probably swap penetrating chop for watch yourself or something like that
Sundering sucks and 5/-20 sucks. quote ^^
id take vamp, zealous or furious instead. Marty Silverblade´s build looks okey but id probably swap penetrating chop for watch yourself or something like that
netniwk
a better aproach would be:here are my skills-what weapon is suitable?
the difference between a good build and a bad build is bigger the the difference between -5(20%) or -2(stance).
p.s sundering sucks.
the difference between a good build and a bad build is bigger the the difference between -5(20%) or -2(stance).
p.s sundering sucks.
Warpy
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p.s sundering sucks.
I might try Furious or maybe Zealous Haft?
Cherng Butter
Don't forget to Customize the Axe. Vampiric is a decent all around mod for PvE. Doesn't look like you need that much energy to warrant Zealous.
karunpav
IMO, Vampiric is the way to go. Guaranteed +3 damage per hit goes a long way vs. highly armored foes.
Warpy
What inscription would you guys use on the shield? I'll also give Marty Silverblade build a try too.
Coloneh
"Run for your Life!" for the shield. thats the -2 (while stanced)
Edit: also drop lion's for healsig. and split attributes to 10+1 tactics and 8+1 strength for a better heal.
Edit: also drop lion's for healsig. and split attributes to 10+1 tactics and 8+1 strength for a better heal.
Marty Silverblade
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Originally Posted by Warpy
What inscription would you guys use on the shield? I'll also give Marty Silverblade build a try too.
If you're going to change your weapons around, I wouldn't bother too much with the build I posted earlier, because I was giving you a 'sundering' themed build, which you seem to no longer want.
Anyway, with your original build, just drop HS for "WY!" and find something decent to replace "SU!" with.
If you're wondering why -5/20% is inferior to -2/stance, think about it this way: -5/20% triggers once in 5 hits, so essentially thats an average of -1 on every hit. -2/stance (which is basically -2/100% with Flail) gives you -2 on every hit. That makes it twice as effective.
Anyway, with your original build, just drop HS for "WY!" and find something decent to replace "SU!" with.
If you're wondering why -5/20% is inferior to -2/stance, think about it this way: -5/20% triggers once in 5 hits, so essentially thats an average of -1 on every hit. -2/stance (which is basically -2/100% with Flail) gives you -2 on every hit. That makes it twice as effective.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Quote: Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade As I said, you don't want to go overboard with the AP stuff, because it doesn't all stack. You generally don't run into problems with the stacking, or you don't care. The only things that don't stack with each other on warriors are Strength, Penetrating Chop/Blow, and Primal Rage.
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a better aproach would be:here are my skills-what weapon is suitable?
Generally warriors don't change weapons for builds.
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Lol never said pugs were good personaly i either guild party, friend party, or henchyhero it But im talking about general public. yeah i know what you are saying prots great, but your gana tell me that when you join up on a pug group with a bunch of new players that they will have or be able to be taught general GW tactics WHILE beating the mission/dungeon..??Quote:
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
Edit: also drop lion's for healsig. and split attributes to 10+1 tactics and 8+1 strength for a better heal.
What is Warpy going to do with a req 11 Gloom Shield then?
@Warpy: You really should have at least two axes, elemental (either Fiery or Shocking for PvE) and physical (Vampiric or Sundering, the difference is minor). Shield inscription should be -2 while in a stance or +10 vs a damage type, or have multiple shields with everything. In the long run I don't see a huge problem with -5 20% though.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Savio
It doesn't.
Does for PvE. Higher enemy AL, less (well... almonst none) kiting auto-crits, lower critical rate overall, and a general preference of pressure over spikes, Sundering is pretty fail.
bungusmaximus
OP DOES have yummie looking gear (drools at axe) :P
Reflect
This is what i use in PvE on Axe
Chanelling -10 Axe Mastery - 12+1+1 Strenght - 8+1 [card]Splinter Weapon[/card][card]Triple Chop[/card][card]Cyclone Axe[/card][card]Whirlwind Attack[/card][card]Executioner's Strike[/card][card]Disrupting Chop[/card][card]Lion's Comfort[/card][card]Resurrection signet[/card] thor thunder
first off 20/20 vamp zealous or watever is all IYO witch doesnt matter in pve 20/20 is very useful yes higher AL targets make less pent but with no pent isnt it worse?? and zealous is great WHEN your hitting.. what about when you just got resed with -energy- you better have a alt weapon, same thing goes for vamp furious. The only 100% mods are the +33%, +armors and +20% ench.
As for tanking in general may i remind you that tank(s) are HIGHLY useful and very used in pve, its NOT TANKING that sucks.. its the person if they cant do it lol. yeah so we dont have agro control skills boo-hoo get over it Becasue in GW agro is very easly taken/interupted if you knew how to play youd be able to control it..(with a reansonble/organized group) as to the OP (nice axe) and a good tanking build looks somthing like gear sword/axe max req 9 15^in stance or inch watever you got +5 AL best for tanking 20/20 or furious IMO customized sheild max req ** (watever fits your atr/build) +30 or +45 in stance or ench -5(20% or -2 in stance or ench Stance/ench (flail is ok but its bad for tanks unless you got cancel stance) attack (pent chop mabey) attack (exicutioners?) Aoe (triple chop or cyclone) 100% Support (like "watch your self" keep it up ALWAYS) 50-100% Support (like "sheilds up" great skill but you cant keep it up always) Aromor skill (ench or sig like armor of earth or dolyak signet) Self Heal (Healign sig heals more but has a cast time Lions comfort less cast time =less interupt but about 10-50 less health then Healing sig, witch isnt alot but can make a big difference its all IYO really) any weps work the ones I listed are best tho. GL and alot of this class is opinonation so just find what you like the best and what your good with because what works for one peron may not work for you.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Savio
It doesn't.
Perhaps you should explain why it doesn't suck, instead of simply stating your opinion.
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by thor thunder
first off 20/20 vamp zealous or watever is all IYO witch doesnt matter in pve 20/20 is very useful yes higher AL targets make less pent but with no pent isnt it worse??
Vampiric ignores armor.
And tanking is usually phail in most of the game anyway. thor thunder
"Vampiric ignores armor."
...did i say it didnt? lol what are you reading? Originally Posted by thor thunder first off 20/20, vamp, zealous, or watever is all IYO witch doesnt matter in pve<<,>> 20/20 is very useful yes higher AL targets make less pent but with no pent isnt it worse?? where did i say that? onistly your day dreaming. i forgot some coma's but that dosent change what i said. "And tanking is usually phail in most of the game anyway." <<What?? phail = Flail?? Turbobusa
Phail = fail
tanking is for places like DOA where you cant afford to have mobs hitting your backline (dont tell me about SS skills, they shouldn't be needed). Rest of the time things like WY and prot is enough with half decent players. thor thunder
yeah but thats **in your opinon** agian.
my guild and friends always see place for at least 1 warrior. slavers exile, the deep, sorrows furnace, and Raven all have a great place for tanks wether its a wall or takeing dmg its always nice to have one, if the tank can take most/all the dmg and thro out some party support to help them then that means all the casters can worry about what they do best heal,dmg,curse and not have to utilize defensive skills. when you run a group that way its quicker, better and more fun. Haveing to watch your back all the time never helps.
Stormlord Alex
A Dragon Slasher with "Save yourselves!" and a Para with "There's Nothing To Fear!"
... who needs tanks when you can just push your passive defense through the roof, partywide? Tanks fail. Not opinion, fact.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Does for PvE. Higher enemy AL, less (well... almonst none) kiting auto-crits, lower critical rate overall, and a general preference of pressure over spikes, Sundering is pretty fail.
The difference between vamp and sundering is 1-2 damage per hit, even against higher AL. You're not going to notice much of a difference between them in PvE.
Desert Rose
Well, 1-2 more damage per hit would be 100%-200% more bonus-damage per hit. Think it that way.
Sundering will deal less bonus damage when the enemy has high armor. Tanks can be used nearly anywhere in PvE, but are almost never needed. thor thunder
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
A Dragon Slasher with "Save yourselves!" and a Para with "There's Nothing To Fear!"
... who needs tanks when you can just push your passive defense through the roof, partywide? Tanks fail. Not opinion, fact. yeah ok good point, but how often do you get a pug group with a warrior with "save yourself".. i bet i can count them on one hand. paragons are great but again WHY bring TWO people to do the job OF ONE?? drop the para get another nuker ftw way faster and more mob control.. tanks win out again. I think in the end it comes down to "depends on the sitiuation" kind a thing tanks are great but some times mabey a paragon and warrior shouters are better.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by thor thunder
yeah ok good point, but how often do you get a pug group with a warrior with "save yourself".. i bet i can count them on one hand. paragons are great but again WHY bring TWO people to do the job OF ONE?? drop the para get another nuker ftw way faster and more mob control.. tanks win out again.
I think in the end it comes down to "depends on the sitiuation" kind a thing tanks are great but some times mabey a paragon and warrior shouters are better. PuGs suck. Truth. But bad players aren't an excuse for general bad tactics. They'll never improve if they continue to think that a retard spamming Glad's Defense is any good. ... using Protection Prayers is a start, tbh.
masta_yoda
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Originally Posted by Reflect
This is what i use in PvE on Axe
Chanelling -10 Axe Mastery - 12+1+1 Strenght - 8+1 [card]Splinter Weapon[/card][card]Triple Chop[/card][card]Cyclone Axe[/card][card]Whirlwind Attack[/card][card]Executioner's Strike[/card][card]Disrupting Chop[/card][card]Lion's Comfort[/card][card]Resurrection signet[/card] this is why u fail at ha scrub j/k thats more of a farming build... post in farming section ok sundering is good for pvp mostly for spikes, but imo pve is not that good, taking a vamp mod will give you more damage overall imo
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Savio
Considering how most people say "Sundering sucks" without explaining themselves, I don't see why I'm held to a higher standard than others.
Haha, touché. Fine, I'll hold myself to that standard and explain myself.
I suppose I don't believe Sundering completely sucks either. But like so much in this game, basically everything works but why use it when something else does the same job, but better? Ignoring 20% of the target's armor 20% of the time simply does not stand up to 3 life stealing once per 0.88 seconds (Frenzying/Flailing). Tack on the fact that Sundering is much more expensive, and that's why it just seems so blatantly obvious to me that its inferior. That logic leads me to believe that those who use it aren't checking the facts about the mod, they're just assuming its the best because its what all the l337 rich players use--or they're just being lazy. Mathematical facts aside, that's the reason behind my hatred of it. thor thunder
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But bad players aren't an excuse for general bad tactics. They'll never improve if they continue to think that a retard spamming Glad's Defense is any good. ... using Protection Prayers is a start, tbh. |
yes tanks arnt "the best" but neither is Prot... (Soo you want one of your 2-3 monk running around spaming prot spirit on your team for 10 energy each cast.. i will give it a try but im shur it wount turn out well lol) tanks arnt elite but saying tanks are usless and overrated is a serious mistake if tanks had no place then they would have mady fury/beserkers not warriors.
as for 20/20 i agree its not the best hilt, personaly its not a top fav i buy it to put on a sword so it will sell for mroe and thats about it, But again saying its useless in pve is a mistake. Vamp can do more dmg over time but it requiers attention and carful usage and in my opinon not always worth it, example: i have a vamp sword i barely use it tho i forget to take it off alot witch causes one problum or another /sighs. for some ppl its great other just dont want to have to worry about it, to them its just another nuccence that they have to keep track of.
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Haha, touché. Fine, I'll hold myself to that standard and explain myself.
I suppose I don't believe Sundering completely sucks either. But like so much in this game, basically everything works but why use it when something else does the same job, but better? Ignoring 20% of the target's armor 20% of the time simply does not stand up to 3 life stealing once per 0.88 seconds (Frenzying/Flailing). Tack on the fact that Sundering is much more expensive, and that's why it just seems so blatantly obvious to me that its inferior.
That logic leads me to believe that those who use it aren't checking the facts about the mod, they're just assuming its the best because its what all the l337 rich players use--or they're just being lazy. Mathematical facts aside, that's the reason behind my hatred of it. lol you cant count (Frenzying/Flailing) for vamp and not sundering silly with flail/frenzy up its still 20% but +33% more attacks = +33% more chances to croc... almost same amount of dmg just when i use a 20/20 sword i don't have to switch back and forth inbettwen / before-after battles.
I suppose I don't believe Sundering completely sucks either. But like so much in this game, basically everything works but why use it when something else does the same job, but better? Ignoring 20% of the target's armor 20% of the time simply does not stand up to 3 life stealing once per 0.88 seconds (Frenzying/Flailing). Tack on the fact that Sundering is much more expensive, and that's why it just seems so blatantly obvious to me that its inferior.
That logic leads me to believe that those who use it aren't checking the facts about the mod, they're just assuming its the best because its what all the l337 rich players use--or they're just being lazy. Mathematical facts aside, that's the reason behind my hatred of it. lol you cant count (Frenzying/Flailing) for vamp and not sundering silly with flail/frenzy up its still 20% but +33% more attacks = +33% more chances to croc... almost same amount of dmg just when i use a 20/20 sword i don't have to switch back and forth inbettwen / before-after battles.
Stormlord Alex
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but neither is Prot...
Everything you say can now be discounted.
Good day, sir.
Good day, sir.
Tab
Every time someone says prot isn't good, Alex's avatar catches a deadly disease.
thor thunder
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Everything you say can now be discounted.
Good day, sir. oh dont you feel cool?
congrats on proving nothing really your a mucha big help i think i want to make you a moderator! your just that good. ppl like you make me laugh..
Woot Prot spirit Ftw its 1337 best! lets just spam on the hole team for 10 energy each cast on toons who have 400-600 hp =D yeay now they can only take 40-60 dmg max =D wow go prot! so worth 70energy
Prots great and all but unless you geared for it or use it correctly it will tear your group down cause while that silly little monkey is spaming prot skills, the free roaming titan decides he's gana have some lunch.
sooo
"Everything you say can now be discounted."
Good day, sir. oh dont you feel cool?
congrats on proving nothing really your a mucha big help i think i want to make you a moderator! your just that good. ppl like you make me laugh..
Woot Prot spirit Ftw its 1337 best! lets just spam on the hole team for 10 energy each cast on toons who have 400-600 hp =D yeay now they can only take 40-60 dmg max =D wow go prot! so worth 70energy
Prots great and all but unless you geared for it or use it correctly it will tear your group down cause while that silly little monkey is spaming prot skills, the free roaming titan decides he's gana have some lunch.
sooo
"Everything you say can now be discounted."
Tab
Don't talk untill you have even the slightest clue what the hell you're talking about.
Healing is crap, apart from LoD.
Prot on the other hand is good.
Idiots spam PS on charge, good monks use RoF, Guardian, SoA, SoD etc.
Healing is crap, apart from LoD.
Prot on the other hand is good.
Idiots spam PS on charge, good monks use RoF, Guardian, SoA, SoD etc.
Stormlord Alex
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Woot Prot spirit Ftw its 1337 best! lets just spam on the hole team for 10 energy each cast on toons who have 400-600 hp =D yeay now they can only take 40-60 dmg max =D
Yes, limiting a 300-damage Deep Freeze to 60 is pretty damn good, and a hell of a lot more energy efficient than trying to heal through it - just look at the comparisons between, say, RoF and Orison. Not only that, but Prot Spirit doesn't need to be put on everyone... just people who're gonna need it. which is, like... the point of Prot. and... PS isn't the only Prot spell. ... please, get a clue about monking in general. My avatar demands it. |