Should there be at least one more major skill balance?
Redfeather1975
Rahja is wanting to go all Tyler Durden on the gaming industry. lol
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
No, it does.
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I believe reality is nodding in agreement. Expecting Izzy to rebalance the game, now that is not in agreement with reality. |
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
Rahja is wanting to go all Tyler Durden on the gaming industry. lol
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I simply would like to see ANET repeat a previous mistake, but this time, not fix it for a few weeks. I love random hysteria once in a while. /que server shutdown for mass Riverside hysteria.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
Oh, no no! Me, never!
I simply would like to see ANET repeat a previous mistake, but this time, not fix it for a few weeks. I love random hysteria once in a while. /que server shutdown for mass Riverside hysteria. |
just ask all the fan bois whos knees always hurt.
Takida
This are my suggestions:
Buff Heal Party : 10 Energy.
Nerf Hammer Bash : 50 % Chance to miss with 4 or less strength. (maybe make it a strength skill then lol, But this would remove all the thumpers.....)
Fix RaO: Just make it a stance.
Theese are the skills but... I would like less dmg from fire.. less dmg from dervish maybe.. and fix Paragons, 80 armor unremovable party buffs and do alot of dmg, from RANGE. ??? ( NERF PARAGONS / Remove ??? )
And Soul Reaping, Make it like it was Few months ago, You get energy all the time, BUt.. Not from Ritualist Spirits, I Think this would work
I Just want more of old guild wars back, Since its just going downhill...
/ thanks.
Buff Heal Party : 10 Energy.
Nerf Hammer Bash : 50 % Chance to miss with 4 or less strength. (maybe make it a strength skill then lol, But this would remove all the thumpers.....)
Fix RaO: Just make it a stance.
Theese are the skills but... I would like less dmg from fire.. less dmg from dervish maybe.. and fix Paragons, 80 armor unremovable party buffs and do alot of dmg, from RANGE. ??? ( NERF PARAGONS / Remove ??? )
And Soul Reaping, Make it like it was Few months ago, You get energy all the time, BUt.. Not from Ritualist Spirits, I Think this would work
I Just want more of old guild wars back, Since its just going downhill...
/ thanks.
Absolute Eminence
nerf DANCING DAGGER. jesus. thought the whole concept of guild wars was that it wasn't button mashing. But fostering the spamming of numbers 1-7 is ridiculous.
Absolute Eminence
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Originally Posted by Takida
This are my suggestions:
Buff Heal Party : 10 Energy. Nerf Hammer Bash : 50 % Chance to miss with 4 or less strength. (maybe make it a strength skill then lol, But this would remove all the thumpers.....) Fix RaO: Just make it a stance. Theese are the skills but... I would like less dmg from fire.. less dmg from dervish maybe.. and fix Paragons, 80 armor unremovable party buffs and do alot of dmg, from RANGE. ??? ( NERF PARAGONS / Remove ??? ) And Soul Reaping, Make it like it was Few months ago, You get energy all the time, BUt.. Not from Ritualist Spirits, I Think this would work I Just want more of old guild wars back, Since its just going downhill... / thanks. |
Absolute Eminence
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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn
Well, be careful what you ask for.
Some changes may be needed but clearly Anet don't always take the time to come up with proper solutions and the results are then not for the better. I fear that they don't have the time or staffing or the right people to do changes. The fact is that after the SR nerf there still is no class that is better at being a ritualist than the necro ( including the ritu itself). And as we saw on a thread before (that was on the old GWEN forum) a hero team of 3 N/Rt 's basically owns PvE from start to end...one build to own them all. (I do not know what the current PvP status is for the Ritu but I did hear a lot about all ritu teams not too long ago. I don't play PvP so I cannot say more about that side of things). The guy who made this hero team build did a great job because it really works like clockwork and I've tested it with my guild leader and so far it hasn't been defeated yet anywhere in PvE even by aggroing extra groups for the heck of it (normal mode so far). We even tried it without an actual healer monk...My guild leader had his ranger with the 3 N/Rt's and I added my paragon (command), with Tahlkora (prot monk), Jora (DD) and Hayda (motivation). Yes you saw it right...NO healer monk and we owned everything in various area's even dino's. We didn't just own it...it was easy. At one point I ran around aggroing stuff and we fought over twenty level 22+ creatures, including a boss and not a single casualty once on our side. And as I've understood running with henchies along the N/Rt hero team it still is a breeze. I got more updates about different area's and tricky bosses and all of it was....easy. So far all we could think of as relatively hard to play in PvE normal mode gets totally owned by this. Now I am not saying that Anet aren't doing anything right...for the most part skill balances seem to have the desired effect but it also seems to me that for the benefit of the quality of the changes there should be less instances of changes like maybe once or twice a year and in my view it seems that they need the balancers to be more mindful of the PvP and PvE differences and I do not just mean game mechanics but also character enjoyment and feel of the game. So yeah , some changes may be needed but I have grown to fear changes in the game since the more recent history of changes has been...well, let's say less than satisfactory. |
yesitsrob
why was this thread posted in riverside >_>
Takida
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Originally Posted by Absolute Eminence
YES! I agree buff spirit way. It's the most skillful build. Since it has huge weaknesses to paragons, dervishes and fire eles please nerf them, and make N/Rt back to energy warehouses. That way I can farm fame. Thanks.
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Buff spiritway? If u think i mean that, Please read my post again.
Absolute Eminence
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Originally Posted by Takida
Buff spiritway? If u think i mean that, Please read my post again.
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Takida
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Originally Posted by Absolute Eminence
Yeah when rit spike and spirit way was even better? Or you referring back to before nightfall skills? Because then we gotta take out skills in the game.
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i said : No energy from rit spirits ....
SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by unienaule
You could be a little less rude until you actually see what the build is and why it's so good.
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In any case.
Someone said there should be another skill balance (i.e. the PvPers want to shuffle things up a bit and change which build gets to be the new cookie-cutter)...
... and Gaile replied that there would be (i.e. A-Net are going to overbuff certain skills to godliness and overnerf other skills to total worthlessness).
End of story.
/lock request.
william1975
I would apreciate a major skill update where my mesmer was capable of solo conquering the whole game in HM
DarkGanni
First buff to paras: remove the pathetic 3sec to activate certain attack skills.
- Ganni
- Ganni
Theus
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Originally Posted by yesitsrob
why was this thread posted in riverside >_>
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yesitsrob
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Originally Posted by Theus
Because Anet's PR's rarely read the PvP sections of these forums.Which is quite apparent.
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And Alex has actually posted a fair amount in Gladiators as of late.
makosi
Shouldn't it be live now? Long week.
Rushin Roulette
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Originally Posted by Takida
Nerf Hammer Bash : 50 % Chance to miss with 4 or less strength. (maybe make it a strength skill then lol, But this would remove all the thumpers.....)
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. But instead of that maybe exchange it for "crosseyed hammer bash" (only during April fools or something) 50% chance to miss with 4 or less strength and hitting your own foot causing 50HP self damage and crippled for 10 seconds
Angelic Upstart
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Skill balances will be rolled out next week.
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Takida
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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette
Lol, Reading that I thought you invented a new skill there for a sec... the "NERF HAMMER BASH"
. But instead of that maybe exchange it for "crosseyed hammer bash" (only during April fools or something) 50% chance to miss with 4 or less strength and hitting your own foot causing 50HP self damage and crippled for 10 seconds |
Keekles
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
Yes, one big skill balance is needed.
Game Updates for October 6th, 2007
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Anyway, back on topic. I personally believe that there should be more than just one more major skill balance. They should be rolling out skill balances weekly. Changing things, seeing how they work, seeing what's over powered, what's not worth using, and changing those as well.
Because we haven't had a skill balance in such a long time, gvg and ha builds have virtually stagnated. There's hardly any innovation, since if you want to run x, y, and z; and everybody else runs a, b, and c, because a, b, and c are just better, you will get rolled. There's really just a set of builds to be used. Everybody does have 8 skill slots, but now there's just some builds which are so much better than others, that there's no reason to use anything else.
Just my opinion.
R_Frost
yeah, only major ballance they need to do is revert all skills back to the way the were released for PVE use then admit PVP and PVE are 2 separate games and seeing that they offer a PVP only version of the game make it so when you enter PVP areas the nerfed version of the skill loads. if they can make it so PVE only skills cant load in a PVP area they damn sure can make this happen. but i know GW2 is their their biggest concern so why do anything major for the customer base in GW1 that they hope will buy GW2
Saphrium
Yes, except purpose-specific like running and farming builds, most of all other PvE builds come from PvP fields with some modifications. And yes, even Terra tanks came from old old PvP Stone Dagger Mesmers.
PvP needs a skill balance for sure, PvE can use whatever PvP is left for it, cause PvE environment is so predictable you don't need a critical skill balance, ever.
PvP needs a skill balance for sure, PvE can use whatever PvP is left for it, cause PvE environment is so predictable you don't need a critical skill balance, ever.
Chris Blackstar
I don't mean to sound rash, but I believe that the only skill balance that should be done, is to take all the nerfed skills and return them back to their original stats, and all the buffed skills can be left as is. Also soul reaping should be returned to it's original stats as well. Then let everyone have at it.
Let's face facts, skill balance is just a bullshit term that Anet created to force players to come up with new build types so the game does not get boring. The problem is that the player base it smarter and more efficent then Anet is creative. For every nerf, players came up with better builds to counter. Now we are at the end of the line and Anet has abanden GW to put all there energy into GW2. So I say return it to the way it was, and let the community have at it.
It would be interesting to see how Iway can counter spiritway, or paragonspike, counter legoway, so on and so forth.
Because we all know that HA is the most popular form of PvP, and that skill balance is done for the majority over the minority.
Let's face facts, skill balance is just a bullshit term that Anet created to force players to come up with new build types so the game does not get boring. The problem is that the player base it smarter and more efficent then Anet is creative. For every nerf, players came up with better builds to counter. Now we are at the end of the line and Anet has abanden GW to put all there energy into GW2. So I say return it to the way it was, and let the community have at it.
It would be interesting to see how Iway can counter spiritway, or paragonspike, counter legoway, so on and so forth.
Because we all know that HA is the most popular form of PvP, and that skill balance is done for the majority over the minority.
Molock
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Originally Posted by Karia Mirniman
Please... NO........ Not for PvE.
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Sorry, I need to go cry in a corner now.. that thought is terrifying.
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
just ask all the fan bois whos knees always hurt.
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Theus
Too bad the skill balance is going to be terrible.
They generally are.
They generally are.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar
I don't mean to sound rash, but I believe that the only skill balance that should be done, is to take all the nerfed skills and return them back to their original stats, and all the buffed skills can be left as is. Also soul reaping should be returned to it's original stats as well. Then let everyone have at it.
Let's face facts, skill balance is just a bullshit term that Anet created to force players to come up with new build types so the game does not get boring. The problem is that the player base it smarter and more efficent then Anet is creative. For every nerf, players came up with better builds to counter. Now we are at the end of the line and Anet has abanden GW to put all there energy into GW2. So I say return it to the way it was, and let the community have at it. It would be interesting to see how Iway can counter spiritway, or paragonspike, counter legoway, so on and so forth. Because we all know that HA is the most popular form of PvP, and that skill balance is done for the majority over the minority. |
pitty_sayonara
its the end of the week, wtb update! gogo anet i want to hear that sexy sentence > new build of gw is availible.
Ferret
I always dread these 'big' skill balance updates.
They so often nerf good skills into becoming 'no longer worth using' skills.
I dread it more after so long of not having one and having got comfortable with my current selection of PvE builds.
I know that it is often PvP that dictates the changes and that doesnt do anything to make me like them any better, but i know they need to happen.
Here's hoping that we get more buffs than nerfs and they generally leave the PvE only skills alone (after all, that was part of the point of them), unless it is to buff them or restore the function of some of those so horribly nerfed.
At least in GW2 they are talking about seperating PvE and PvP completely as far as skills go.
They so often nerf good skills into becoming 'no longer worth using' skills.
I dread it more after so long of not having one and having got comfortable with my current selection of PvE builds.
I know that it is often PvP that dictates the changes and that doesnt do anything to make me like them any better, but i know they need to happen.
Here's hoping that we get more buffs than nerfs and they generally leave the PvE only skills alone (after all, that was part of the point of them), unless it is to buff them or restore the function of some of those so horribly nerfed.
At least in GW2 they are talking about seperating PvE and PvP completely as far as skills go.