First Glint Wave in HM

MadHamish

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

COLD

W/

Hi fellow farmers!

After having been away for a few months I returned to GW for GW:EN.
As I read some people have been farming glint in NM with the Perma-Obsi-Ele. Now this is aswell possible in HM with a little modification, just look at the picture ;-)


http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...39_smaller.jpg

Template-code is:

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Have fun!

MH.

okashii

okashii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

E/

argh!...ye fool...be quiet about me gold mine...

MadHamish

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

COLD

W/

sure I won't

Avatar Exico

Avatar Exico

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Way to Cold at Home:Illnois and School:Iowa.

We Trip Hard On [AcID]

N/

well it not quiet now. More ppl are going to farm it.

JForce

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

Dezert Raiderz

Mo/Me

is this possible with a warrior

using bonetti's defense instead of balt. aura?

Avatar Exico

Avatar Exico

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Way to Cold at Home:Illnois and School:Iowa.

We Trip Hard On [AcID]

N/

there is a War/Rt build for this somewhere in the thread by someone on NM.

tuna-fish_sushi

tuna-fish_sushi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

California

E/A

Great build for Hardmode, Got 5 golds in my first 2 runs.

It gets my seal for approval (which means nothing to most of you...)

MadHamish

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

COLD

W/

Thanks!

The gold drops just decrease over time... as always...

okashii

okashii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

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I have been farming here since Hard Mode came to Gwen and its my fav. farm spot ever

one tip : Alkar's Acid works nicely here but it triggers Vengeful weapon multiple times so watch out, plus it has AoE and I prefer taking Destroyers one by one to maximise drops.

Senrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Halfway between here and there

Advanced Technology [CCCP]

I'm so gonna go do this now.

MadHamish

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

COLD

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@okashii: Thanks for the tip, i use that for NM, but in HM they seem to use VW more often that's why I use this radiationfield-skill, or what it's called... they die pretty fast in the end. I "soften" one side, then move over to the other start slivering and radiate them afterwards (!). VW won't trigger that often this way.

Also: If someone really enjoys boring/slow-mode just replace radiation-field with healingbreeze (lower energy storage and put 8 points in healing), it's really easy then... and really really slow...

Have fun!

Senrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Halfway between here and there

Advanced Technology [CCCP]

If you put healing breeze in, why not take out Aura of Restoration instead of Radiation Field?

MadHamish

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

COLD

W/

That's why I wrote "boring/slow-mode"... sure you can take out AoR instead, but then it's as difficult as without Healingbreeze... and not boring ;-)

okashii

okashii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

E/

omfg I just found the coolest trick XD farm Destroyers on HM with air of superiority and go "buahahahaha" the skills recharge is very nice <just hit sliver armor again and again> I love this farm spot more and more each day, lets just hope Anet wont nerf it

Tipheret

Tipheret

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Tu Prima La [Coja]

E/

The fact is that after doig some runs in HM, the drop decreases a lot faster than in normal mode. That happens to me at least. After some HM and NM farming sessions i have noticed that, although in HM the loot drop is better, with good goldens, tomes and lockpicks, the destroyer core drop rate (and also the total drop rate) is much higher at NM.
I would like to read other people's experiences with this.

??Ripskin

??Ripskin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

Is there any build for this using a monk?

I don't want to grind my way through the game anymore.

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

The drop rate always starts good and then it ebbs and flows. If you do a run 100 times you will likely have a 'good' run every 15th (made up number) time or something. It looks on the surface like it's simply starts good and then drops off, but really it comes and goes. Do a run 100 times and you'll see it for yourself.

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by okashii
I have been farming here since Hard Mode came to Gwen and its my fav. farm spot ever

one tip : Alkar's Acid works nicely here but it triggers Vengeful weapon multiple times so watch out, plus it has AoE and I prefer taking Destroyers one by one to maximise drops. What's your skillbar for one-by-one killing?

MadHamish

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

COLD

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Somehow degenerating them with the field is not AoE and won't kill all at once (disease spreads, gets cured, infects again, and so on) and of course does not trigger VW.
I know, that rumors say, that degeneration kills your droprate aswell, but I can't confirm that. On top of that, if you only use the field once or twice, it will not kill the mobs. Just softens up them so they are killed with one or five hits from sliver. So here ya go with your single enemy killer ;-)

Cheers!
MH.

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

um, no...? Sliver will kill foes as if it's AoE. So the drops reflect that. The one by one approach would litterally kill them one at a time with a break between so that it would not be 15 deaths within a couple of seconds. Much slower but much better drop rate.

EDIT: I put together a simple one-by-one degen build which works okay, I got about 70-80% drop rate.

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It's not the best build but it worked. I got sloppy after about 9 minutes on my first run. it's a bit slow and takes about 4-5 conjure nightmares to kill, plus there is the hex removal that gets in the way as well...

MadHamish

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

COLD

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Ok, your absolutely right... Sliver Armor counst as AoE-damage. Just did a run using this build: OgNDgWy8SSfaDfVlC0CsCulyDA
It's a sort of a combination of degeneration (which is AoE) and single target damage. I had the same amaount drops on the right group (-3 remaining) as if I had made a full run with Sliver. Could have done the whole run, but my pizza was ready to be eaten, and I didn't want to burn it.
I think it's a little bit faster then your version, because the things are really just about dead, when you stone them... but BEWARE THE VENGEFUL WEAPON!

Hey btw., this is the kind of discussion I want to see on the forum...

Take care!

MH.

EDIT: I posted the wrong build by mistake don't use Stoning, use Stone Daggers!
EDIT2:
Did a full run now with the build above, I had 26 drops overall. 3 purples, 1 lockpick, 7 (!) destroyercores, and one ritualist tome... well, now the bad part... it takes about 20minutes... :-/

Tipheret

Tipheret

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Tu Prima La [Coja]

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That's the point.
I use arcane echo+sliver and radiactive to kill and i usually get about 15 drops each 6 minute run. So in this case this build can make 3 runs in the same time you make one, wich means 45 drops, about 20 more.
I would like to know how much time does the conjure nightmare build take to finish the run, maybe it has got the needed balance.
A point with this farming for those who are using armor of earth: u can free this skill by using a +10 armor vs. earth +16 armor req9 shield, 20% enchants +7 armor vs. elemental damage melee weapon and armor insignias. Remember that if you dont use this skill the +20 armor of the Obsidian will keep stacking.

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

^^I don't think that you can put a Warding and Enchanting on the same weapon, and the 16 of the shield is useless as well...and without the +7 on the wep that load out doesn't work for an Ele. I just tried it and didn't make it even make it to the 3 minute mark. Either need more armor or something to bring back health...

Hexum

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

MxG

N/Mo

I am not quite sure how you guys are doing this. I start on one side and next thing I know the dragon is dead. I get maybe 2 or 3 kills.

??Ripskin

??Ripskin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

Stand in the middle, where you can aggro both exits.

baz777

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by «Ripskin
Stand in the middle, where you can aggro both exits.
and wait until you have full aggro of ALL of them before moving onto the first group

VorianVader

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Blitzers

W/N

Thanks to the Op for a great build.

Starting off the drops are pretty good i.e. golds, tomes, lockpicks and 3-5 cores per run. However, after 3-4 runs, the drops taper off until all you are getting are 1-2 cores and a few tomes, no golds. This is true of pretty much any farm spot in HM which leads me to believe that the much touted removal of the farming code did not take place.

And yeah hexum, stand in the middle, take the aggro of both groups. To be on the safe side, remain there till all of the enemies have arrived which is usually around the 2:55 mark on the timer. Then move to one group or the other. Make sure you have everyones aggro before moving.

Tipheret

Tipheret

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Tu Prima La [Coja]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForgeWhelp
^^I don't think that you can put a Warding and Enchanting on the same weapon, and the 16 of the shield is useless as well...and without the +7 on the wep that load out doesn't work for an Ele. I just tried it and didn't make it even make it to the 3 minute mark. Either need more armor or something to bring back health... Thewarding+enchanting was a late night mistake yeah. But, if Armor of Earth gives you +6X armor and makes the game to ignore Obsidian flesh's armor, you should get that armor bonus with the +20 of the Obsidian plus 5 +15 vs earth insignias (Elementalist armor). Maybe im mistaken.

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipheret
Thewarding+enchanting was a late night mistake yeah. But, if Armor of Earth gives you +6X armor and makes the game to ignore Obsidian flesh's armor, you should get that armor bonus with the +20 of the Obsidian plus 5 +15 vs earth insignias (Elementalist armor). Maybe im mistaken. Armor of earth gives 62 armor with 16 Earth.

+10 earth and + 10 elemental (Geomancer insignias )
+10 earth on shield
+8 for for not meeting the 9 req on the +16 armor shield
+20 from Obsidion

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58 armor, still 4 short of what armor of the Earth gives.

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by VorianVader
Thanks to the Op for a great build.

Starting off the drops are pretty good i.e. golds, tomes, lockpicks and 3-5 cores per run. However, after 3-4 runs, the drops taper off until all you are getting are 1-2 cores and a few tomes, no golds. This is true of pretty much any farm spot in HM which leads me to believe that the much touted removal of the farming code did not take place.

And yeah hexum, stand in the middle, take the aggro of both groups. To be on the safe side, remain there till all of the enemies have arrived which is usually around the 2:55 mark on the timer. Then move to one group or the other. Make sure you have everyones aggro before moving.
I explained this earlier in the thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForgeWhelp
The drop rate always starts good and then it ebbs and flows. If you do a run 100 times you will likely have a 'good' run every 15th (made up number) time or something. It looks on the surface like it's simply starts good and then drops off, but really it comes and goes. Do a run 100 times and you'll see it for yourself.

Memphis Rain

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hexum
I am not quite sure how you guys are doing this. I start on one side and next thing I know the dragon is dead. I get maybe 2 or 3 kills. Stand in the middle and start casting on yourself around the 35-40 second mark, then wait until about the 3 minute mark that's when the entire first wave will be gathered. When you start killing ALWAYS go for the group on the right first, seems that if you go left first there's always 1 or 2 destroyers from the right side that would slip by and go for the dragon.

insightful moth

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

By Balthazars Beard[TasH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForgeWhelp
You might get a point or 2 from the shield itself You get +8AL from a max shield even if you don't meet the requirement.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shield

okashii

okashii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

E/

"Sliver Armor because it acts like and AoE but isn't direct damage so you don't need to worry about Vengeful Weapon"

um...no? before asura skills I used only sliver armor for damage and it does trigger Vengeful Weapon

you can kill all the destroyers using just sliver armor, but it is true that it takes some time when you are left with the last one, but when using mantra of earth + stone striker I never had energy problems

there were some very rare occasions when I was left with the last destroyer that just kept spamming vengful weapon and I had to leave

I just did some runs with radiation field and it really affects the drops
and many times I almost died because many more destroyers had vengful weapon on them when I hit sliver armor (since they had lower health)

I'd rater spend 10-12 min. using just sliver armor and get great drops

one tip: after you kill the group on the right, move to the next one but stand where the stronger destroyes are (the ones that take 15dmg not 28) usually they stand behind those weaker ones
this will save you a lot of time

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

Not sure I agree with you, and if Sliver triggers Vengeful, then it's so pittifully triggered that it can be ignored. If you drop any true AoE on a group of destroyers, you'll die in about 5 seconds or less from vengeful weapon, but with sliver armor you will suffer little to NO damage at all...

okashii

okashii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

E/

just run a build without aura of restoration and with sliver armor for dmg, I dont attack destroyers with my caster sword so only sliver can trigger the vengful weapon, you can see it easily when you fight with a few last destroyers in the second group if you use sliver armor only for dmg

I might have been wrong with radiation field about lowering the drop rate

just did a run using radiation field and stone daggers <no sliver armor> on both groups
took about 13 min. (lost 1 minute on 2 destroyers outside radiation AoE) and I did have more drops
(mostly more white/blue merchant food)

one more thing : when I cast 4x lvl4 radiation fields so that the destroyers in group are almost dead and hit sliver armor to finish them all off I often just die due to mass vengful weapon, and I dont have that problem when I just use sliver armor without radiation field, when all destroyers are on full health

A Simple Farmer

A Simple Farmer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

ECTOS

E/

First off, thanks for a great farm!
couple of things,
Kinetic instead of armor of earth, is an easy take no damage.
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That leaves 3 slots for offensive spells & a lot of points.
I find that Sliver trigger's VW and on it's own with no self heal will kill you right away.
2-3x Radiation Field before sliver seems to confuse the ai, some probably healing group leaving less to VW the sliver target. Though you are still VW

possible 3rd spell: retribution??

Hexum

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

MxG

N/Mo

Thanks for the tip. I am a noob on solo stuff, is there an order to casting the skills? I am using the first build posted on this thread.

VorianVader

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Blitzers

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hexum
Thanks for the tip. I am a noob on solo stuff, is there an order to casting the skills? I am using the first build posted on this thread. Not really. The only thing you need to ensure is that you always cast obsidian flesh AFTER glyph of swiftness so that it recharges quickly and you can always have it up. Otherwise, one shatter enchantment and game over.

I usually start off this way Glyph of swiftness - Obsidian Flesh - Stoneflesh Aura - Armor of Earth - Aura of Restoration and keep renewing whenever they end. When I have aggro and start killing, then I try to cast Obsidian Flesh and Sliver Armor both on the Glyph so that I can keep sliver up most of the times.

Adam144

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

Castleford, England

None

E/

Thanks for the great build, I tried it without radiation, as I don't have that yet, and used Stone Striker instead.

Paired up with 4 geomancer insignias, I found myself taking only the occasional -1 dmg. I let Stoneflesh Aura down once and ended up with 105 health before I could get it up Close call!

What I'm wondering is, since Aura of Restoration isn't the best self-healing in the game, is there any other way we can stay alive when VW comes into play?