Screenshots from the Bonus Mission Pack

Saraphim

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

Oh aye yeh I know. He bugged out on Dunes of Despair on me once and wouldn't lift the bridge. So out of boredom waiting for him to get his act together I left my ele dancing in front of him.

The screenshot was... interesting.. when she bent forwards her head was in a rather indiscreet spot.

Alas all my old Proph screenshots bit the dust in a hard drive meltdown.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

Is that shot of Gwen supposed to show her "imprisoned"?

Look at the fence behind her... there's a gap EASILY big enough for her to get through. She could have escaped any time she wanted!

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

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Originally Posted by Hissy
Is that shot of Gwen supposed to show her "imprisoned"?

Look at the fence behind her... there's a gap EASILY big enough for her to get through. She could have escaped any time she wanted!
Bah! The Charr may not be great at making prisons, but they may be great at ripping the heads off anyone trying to escape. Plus, ya know, magic and all that.


Etta, great job finding these! Makes me a little excited to play them, now. Fighting alongside Turai Ossa has me all tingly.

N E D M

N E D M

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Officer's Club

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

those hoping for green drops in these missions - you cant use your own character, so how are you going to get drops?

=HT=Ingram

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

Yea your playing as them. but you may get a reward and it appear in unclaimed items when you go back to town as you. IDK. interesting thought no?

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by N E D M
those hoping for green drops in these missions - you cant use your own character, so how are you going to get drops?
Xunlai Storage?

Free Runner

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

Quote:
Originally Posted by N E D M
those hoping for green drops in these missions - you cant use your own character, so how are you going to get drops?
Turn in a full book? (the ones you will get in the missions).

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Players begin their journeys when they receive a book from a historian. The first few pages introduce the story and provide background lore that leads up to the event they are about to re-live.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Succesfully playing through the scenarios might unlock 'historical' treasures for our present-day characters to 'find'. And probably a minipet. There's always a minipet.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Wha, I wouldn't even be able to use MY character in this mission pack?
Fail. Epic fail.

Yandawar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Government Flu
I don't trust ArenaNet's online store, so unless this bonus mission pack will be available in retail, I guess I'm outta luck. :P
Ditto.

This content looks so absolutely amazing, I'd really like to have it. But not at the cost of being forced to use a bloody online store. That just makes me want to give up on GuildWars altogether, being treated as a second-class customer...

Karyuu

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

...You're being treated as a "second-class customer" because you're forced to use their own online store? Whaaa..?

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yandawar
Ditto.

This content looks so absolutely amazing, I'd really like to have it. But not at the cost of being forced to use a bloody online store. That just makes me want to give up on GuildWars altogether, being treated as a second-class customer...
With all due respect, when you go into a supermarket, and see a "Buy 2 get 1 Free" offer on a product, do you whine at the supermarket because you want to be able to buy 2 lots of that product elsewhere, cheaper, but still want their free one?

No. I didn't think so.

This is their promotion. People knew about it well in advance of the Eye of the North release, so if you didn't choose to take them up on their offer, your loss. If you're now feeling sorry for yourself because you made the wrong decision and don't want to spend more money on the online store...tough.

Since it's potential income for ArenaNet I wouldn't be surprised if they offered it to be bought separately somewhere down the line.

@ Etta, nice find. Looking foward to it.

Nestaron

Nestaron

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Glasgow, Scotland

Banished Dragons

A/



Is that a sin!!!!? if only the armor looked only half as good as that for us sins.
I'd love armor like that.

Etta

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

Hi, just added 3 more screenshots on the first page. 2 shots of White Mantles VS Charr's war band and the last one is everyone favourite bad guy, Palawa Joko.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSephir
Wha, I wouldn't even be able to use MY character in this mission pack?
Fail. Epic fail.
How do you propose...to travel back in time?

Did you ever read the description of the mission pack?

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The Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack will allow you to play through four pivotal moments in Guild Wars history.

* Earn unique rewards as you go face-to-face with Palawa Joko and his undead army as one of the key figures in the Battle of Jahai.
* Experience part of Cantha's turbulent past as you witness the violent Tengu Wars.
* Learn firsthand how the White Mantle rose to power in Kryta.
* Finally, discover what became of Gwen after the Charr invaded her home and the Searing destroyed everything she'd ever known.
I dont think your character was a key figure in the Battle of Jahai vs Palawa Joko....Now i understand about wanting to be anachronistic, but your complaint seems to stem from misunderstanding of what this was going to be and not a failure on Anet's side.

When i read that description, i thought "Cool! I get to be a white mantle >:O"

Coridan

Coridan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

US

Old Married Gamers {OMG}

W/

yeah it sucks that we can't use our Characters to play in the missions....I only like my warrior....all my other toons are for specific farming and such.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

I don't need to propose anything, it's already in the game.
You could play it and see for yourself instead of trying to... uh, be funny?

Danger, danger space-time continuum breach! Shutting down GW servers. T-10.

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Etta
Y'know, I was thinking. How come Turai Ossa was so huge? At first I thought it's because he's a ghost, not just any ghost but ghostly hero so he's allow to be big. But now looking at him in all flesh and bone and he's still bloody huge.

Is he like a half-Norn or something? Is it possible that his ma was a Norn?
So would that make Varesh a Norn? I'm pretty sure they're related...same surname and all... *considers*

Aethon

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Togo's got a funny hat. But dang, it looks like it takes place in the freaking city of all places.

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aethon
Togo's got a funny hat. But dang, it looks like it takes place in the freaking city of all places.
<3 Kaineng City.

But I dunno, there's a tengu in the snow...maybe it takes place in the Mountains of Shing Jea?

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSephir
I don't need to propose anything, it's already in the game.
You could play it and see for yourself instead of trying to... uh, be funny?
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Danger, danger space-time continuum breach! Shutting down GW servers. T-10.
/facepalm Yes, beautiful strawman.

But it still doesnt answered any of my questions.

What is YOUR proposal?
What were YOU expecting?
Is your character a pivotal figure in the Battle of Jahai?
and finally
Is this "epic fail" a problem of your expectation vs Anet's implementation?

Youre conclusion is based on the presumption that Anet will make "reliving" identical to how foreign chars access early Prophecies missions.

darktyco

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

These look cool, I'm excited to play through them.

Coridan

Coridan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

US

Old Married Gamers {OMG}

W/

In response to the Time thing.... I think Anet could have made it so our characters/heros/team members...could play through the missions as ourselves. Just put the Heros (Polojoko...Ossri, Togo etc,) as a team member like they do with all the other "team member keep em alive" missions.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

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Originally Posted by lyra_song
/facepalm Yes, beautiful strawman.

But it still doesnt answered any of my questions.

What is YOUR proposal?
What were YOU expecting?
Is your character a pivotal figure in the Battle of Jahai?
and finally
Is this "epic fail" a problem of your expectation vs Anet's implementation?

Youre conclusion is based on the presumption that Anet will make "reliving" identical to how foreign chars access early Prophecies missions.
Wow, put reading on your skillbar, it's useful

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What is YOUR proposal?
As I said before, I'm not proposing anything- 'time travelling' is already in GW.
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What were YOU expecting?
How about playing the game with the characters I created?
Ah, I know, crazy idea.
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Is your character a pivotal figure in the Battle of Jahai?
No, he wasn't even pivotal during Rurik vs Charr fight, basically, he wasn't even there but that didn't stop him from playing there.

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Is this "epic fail" a problem of your expectation vs Anet's implementation?

Youre conclusion is based on the presumption that Anet will make "reliving" identical to how foreign chars access early Prophecies missions.
Yes, I expected AN to understand that when I create my character I want to play with my character.

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Gein
Holy, I just saw the concept art of that NPC (??) assassin. Damn wish I could get that armor for my sin.
Is that... an undead ninja? Oh boy, we're screwed. This could only get worse with cyborg pirates.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSephir
Wow, put reading on your skillbar, it's useful
Ad Hominem.

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As I said before, I'm not proposing anything- 'time travelling' is already in GW.
And yet...it doesnt look like its gonna be in the BMP. So your presumption goes out the window. So what do you propose instead?

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How about playing the game with the characters I created?
Ah, I know, crazy idea.
Ya that would be pretty cool. But again. Your presumptions appear to be invalidated. How is your presumption Anet's failure?

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No, he wasn't even pivotal during Rurik vs Charr fight, basically, he wasn't even there but that didn't stop him from playing there.
Indeed. Your only valid point.

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Yes, I expected AN to understand that when I create my character I want to play with my character.
Again, Anet not meeting your presumptions is not their fault, considering they never mentioned your character in any of material. Now if Anet said one thing, and then changed things, I would understand being upset. You misinterpreted the really vague descriptions based on presumption.

Now maybe you can get mad at Anet for having vague descriptions (they always do), but anything else is just grasping at straws.

My understanding when i read it was that your character gets to see a "vision" of the past, ala Final Fantasy 8, where Squall sometimes dreams that he is Laguna or something similar to the scrying pool.

Hyper Cutter

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hissy
Is that shot of Gwen supposed to show her "imprisoned"?

Look at the fence behind her... there's a gap EASILY big enough for her to get through. She could have escaped any time she wanted!
The Charr do have guards, you know... guards who would quite happily eat escapees (hell, knowing the Charr that may even be a perk of the job!)...

TGgold

TGgold

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Flying Gophers

Rt/P

I'm actually really excited about the BMP. It will be a nice change I think. =D

As for the new items...they may just be the "books" that you have to look into to review the history. Which would be a bummer, but hey, at least they're shiny and new! Overall, it's very exciting.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song



And yet...it doesnt look like its gonna be in the BMP. So your presumption goes out the window. So what do you propose instead?
That's right, it isn't there. There could've been 'time travelling' and giving players the ability to play with their characters but there isn't- a good thing? Don't think so.
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Ya that would be pretty cool. But again. Your presumptions appear to be invalidated. How is your presumption Anet's failure?
AN's failure lies in taking away the ability to play with their characters.

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Again, Anet not meeting your presumptions is not their fault, considering they never mentioned your character in any of material. Now if Anet said one thing, and then changed things, I would understand being upset. You misinterpreted the really vague descriptions based on presumption.

Now maybe you can get mad at Anet for having vague descriptions (they always do), but anything else is just grasping at straws.

My understanding when i read it was that your character gets to see a "vision" of the past, ala Final Fantasy 8, where Squall sometimes dreams that he is Laguna or something similar to the scrying pool.
That's not the point. I don't even care if they've said/haven't said that you won't be able to play with your character. The point is, that such a thing in a game where you first create your own character, and then you're unable to play with him/her is bad and it doesn't matter if people know about it or don't.

Vinraith

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

I'm looking forward to these, and find all the QQing about not being able to play your own characters rather funny. It's a component of the design (and thus, if done well, a component of the fun) to have fixed skill bars for the challenges in question. If you could play them with your own characters they'd be no different than the rest of the game. I think doing something unusual and special for the BMP is a great idea.

This game has the whiniest fanbase of any game I've ever played, despite being one of the best games in my collection. I'm perpetually stunned by that, I guess it's because it's attracted a bunch of MMO players.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSephir
AN's failure lies in taking away the ability to play with their characters.

That's not the point. I don't even care if they've said/haven't said that you won't be able to play with your character. The point is, that such a thing in a game where you first create your own character, and then you're unable to play with him/her is bad and it doesn't matter if people know about it or don't.
LOL. So Anet fails because they chose to design the bonus mission pack to behave differently than what you expected? Do I understand you correctly?

It's their choice that you don't play as your character.

Maybe its for storytelling purposes.
Maybe its so you can really be in "another character's shoes".
Maybe its because they want all classes to have equal chances in a 1 player mission by designing it for a specific character that YOU play as. (I remember the whiny threads about certain griffons...)
Maybe they didnt want certain builds exploiting the enemies in the area.
Maybe they finally will give players a chance to play as a white mantle (since ive seen people request their armor many times....)

Im sure theres a valid reason, but i doubt any of it is "To piss off Black Sephir". Stop acting like a victim and get over it. Youre judging something you haven't even played yet.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

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LOL. So Anet fails because they chose to design the bonus mission pack to behave differently than what you expected? Do I understand you correctly?
How about differently than the whole game?
They didn't give you only Gwen in EOTN and said "play", eh? They also didn't force you to play as Rurik in Proph or Kormir in NF.

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Im sure theres a valid reason, but i doubt any of it is "To piss off Black Sephir".
I'm sure there is a reason, I'm wondering if it's good.

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Stop acting like a victim and get over it. Youre judging something you haven't even played yet.
Um, no thanks, not being able to play with my character in CORPG is a massive failure and I don't need (and won't) to play to realize that.

Turtle222

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

:D:D

D/W

great screenshots! The battle is going to be so cool

CHunterX

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
How do you propose...to travel back in time?
Go to any intro missions outside of your characters original Campaign. Poof, Time Travel.

EDIT: Bah, someone beat me to it.
Honestly, I expected to play my characters during the Bonus Mission Pack. Reliving past events and such. The only reason I could see setting players with a set-npc's skillbar is so they don't have to balance anything later, according to the missions. And if a balance does need to take place, it will only involve non-player skills. I'm assuming if they do make it set-npc skillbars, its because they don't want you to run up to the armies and be able to Searing Flames the mission in 6 spells.

Lord Sojar

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Etta
Y'know, I was thinking. How come Turai Ossa was so huge? At first I thought it's because he's a ghost, not just any ghost but ghostly hero so he's allow to be big. But now looking at him in all flesh and bone and he's still bloody huge.

Is he like a half-Norn or something? Is it possible that his ma was a Norn?
But then Varesh would be tall.....oh wait..... CONSPIRACY!

Hollow Gein

Hollow Gein

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Menos Espadas

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond
Is that... an undead ninja? Oh boy, we're screwed. This could only get worse with cyborg pirates.
LOL, cyborg pirates. IMO, it's not a undead ninja, just a sin that has enough sense not to wear giant, clanking blades all over. Though strangely, the design reminds me of the Marvel villain Taskmaster.....And again, I wish I could get that armor for my sin or at the very least the hooded skull(mask)

Curse You

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo


I'd like a Pepperoni Pizza and a side order of Spirit-Spam.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond
Is that... an undead ninja? Oh boy, we're screwed. This could only get worse with cyborg pirates.
Let's just hope and Undead Benjamin Franklin doesn't end up with them, or else this might happen.

I Phoenix I

I Phoenix I

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC]

R/

Ooo interesting...

Now I have to decide between getting the EotN box or getting it online with BMP, haha

Master Togo

Master Togo

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2006

Shing Jea Island

Shing Jea Monastery

Rt/

My students...

Master Togo is please you find the younger me interesting. I look forward to you all reliving history. Master Togo enjoyed kicking Ninja ass back then... how I miss those days.

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Togo
My students...

Master Togo is please you find the younger me interesting. I look forward to you all reliving history. Master Togo enjoyed kicking Ninja ass back then... how I miss those days.
I'm sure he doesn't refer to himself in the 3rd person.