How about you use some common sense and not try and force people to do what you want them too.
Currently we are forced to set a hidden reserve price that is higher than the minimum bid, even if we don't want to. Personally I'll settle for two changes:
1 - When you have a list of all items, you get to see the status of the reserve in a column on the list so we don't have to open each auction to see.
2 - Allow the sellers who don't like reserve prices to make an auction without setting one. Such auctions will always be marked in the main list as having the reserve met.
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As for the guys working to fix this please take all the time you need to make sure everything works as it once did.
Agreed.
25 Oct 2007 at 05:23 - 12
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Originally Posted by bilateralrope
Currently we are forced to set a hidden reserve price that is higher than the minimum bid, even if we don't want to.
This is not true... there is no requirement that you set a reserve price... it's a totally optional feature. If you don't want to set a reserve, just leave it blank. I never set reserves on my auctions.
25 Oct 2007 at 05:53 - 13
posted a bit ago, didnt see this thread when I first checked...sry for the redundancy.
25 Oct 2007 at 05:59 - 14
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Originally Posted by Wynthyst
This is not true... there is no requirement that you set a reserve price... it's a totally optional feature. If you don't want to set a reserve, just leave it blank. I never set reserves on my auctions.
Odd. Under the first guru software this was the case. But every time I've tried it under the current software I've been told to set a reserve price that is above the minimum bid, so I haven't even tried to go without one for a few months.
So either there was a stealth update, or the system is treating you differently for some reason. Its also strange that no-one called me on it in the other thread.
25 Oct 2007 at 08:24 - 15
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Originally Posted by bilateralrope
Odd. Under the first guru software this was the case. But every time I've tried it under the current software I've been told to set a reserve price that is above the minimum bid, so I haven't even tried to go without one for a few months.
So either there was a stealth update, or the system is treating you differently for some reason. Its also strange that no-one called me on it in the other thread.
You've never had to set a reserve under the updated site unless you ticked the option to. You might have accidentally done something to your options for default settings for the auctions you listed so it's ticked by default though I'm not sure it's possible there...
28 Oct 2007 at 08:09 - 16
do you know when guru will be back up again?
28 Oct 2007 at 09:37 - 17
it will be up when they fix the bugs, that is probally all they know too,
29 Oct 2007 at 14:45 - 18
The only thing I would change would be this:
-I would add a column to show how many times each auction had been viewed in the summary panel.
-Change the max auctions listed to more than the current cap so I could fit everything on one page.
-Enable/fix the multiple duplicate item listing.
- Fix the bug where auctions are double listed when they are auto-reposted. I hate that.
-Allow me to alphabetize my auction listing in the summary panel and remember my setting so I don't have to double load every single time. This would help me IMMENSELY.
Just some thoughts. I aknowledge that these suggestions alone speak to nearly a complete re-engineering of the thing, but I wanted to add them to the conversation for the future. Thanks a ton!
29 Oct 2007 at 16:03 - 19
Aww, but I love the auction system. How will I ever go on?!
29 Oct 2007 at 22:02 - 20
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Originally Posted by Jennalee
You've never had to set a reserve under the updated site unless you ticked the option to.
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And where exactly was this checkbox ?
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You might have accidentally done something to your options for default settings for the auctions you listed so it's ticked by default though I'm not sure it's possible there...
Possible. Though I'm still wondering why I'm only being called on it now, when the site is down and proof is unavailable, rather than in the reserve price thread when proof was available.
I also see that no-one is attempting to justify why the reserve price feature should remain there at all.
30 Oct 2007 at 07:25 - 21
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Originally Posted by bilateralrope
I also see that no-one is attempting to justify why the reserve price feature should remain there at all.
Because that is not the subject matter for this thread and to turn it into a debate over reserve prices would be derailing.
30 Oct 2007 at 14:18 - 22
In reply to the questions about the ability to or not to use the reserve price feature, it is ABSOLUTELY 100% Voulentary and in NO WAY mandatory to use. I have at least 30 auctions going at any given time since the new Guru auction began, and I have yet to ever use the reserve price. Trust me, it's entirely a voulentary feature for those who may find value in it.
30 Oct 2007 at 14:59 - 23
More Progress
Updated from 5.24 -> 5.25 Then updated from 5.25 -> 6.0 -> 6.03
Moved database
Updated Registration Process to remove address, city, state, phone
Changed to In Game Name
Updated Selling process
Removed Shipping & Handling step in listing process
Removed Shipping & Handling sections from product details
Removed "Fees" From navigation
Working on updating emails
31 Oct 2007 at 18:17 - 24
Sounds great man! Tried to get started in Guru Auctions right before all this updating, but to no avail. Can't wait to start making money once it gets back up and running.
03 Nov 2007 at 03:39 - 25
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Originally Posted by politicalmind
-Change the max auctions listed to more than the current cap so I could fit everything on one page.
That might be great for you, but I maintain 100-200 auctions at a time and would be immensely unwieldy, but maybe a choice of how many to view as something you could set in your preferences.....
03 Nov 2007 at 23:01 - 26
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Originally Posted by Inde
More Progress
Updated from 5.24 -> 5.25 Then updated from 5.25 -> 6.0 -> 6.03
Moved database
Updated Registration Process to remove address, city, state, phone
Changed to In Game Name
Updated Selling process
Removed Shipping & Handling step in listing process
Removed Shipping & Handling sections from product details
Removed "Fees" From navigation
Working on updating emails
Thank you. 
(I dunno, just had the weird feeling to say it)
05 Nov 2007 at 06:43 - 27
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Originally Posted by gstricto
I vote that while you're at fixing things, remove all the fancy/useless shit. Reserve price? Gone. Half the options in the user panel? Throw it out. Please please please enable a "remember me on this computer" option. Some of this is just simple common sense from a user standpoint. Be very aware that just because you as a developer thinks "hey, neat feature here!" doesn't mean that it's actually useful to the end user. It seems to be a plague with the new system on top of the bugged to hell back-end.
I second this.
05 Nov 2007 at 13:40 - 28
Whats useless shit for you, might be handy for others. I am very confident in what these guys do. I bet when the maintenace is finished, it will run like never before. Thanks to the Admin team for all the hard work they put in there. I started using the Auction not to long ago, and i have to say, i totally love it. Any idea, about when we can expect it to be back? I cant wait... 
~Z~
05 Nov 2007 at 15:39 - 29
It's not really the features that hold any of this up. They are included everyone, automatically. What we are having problems with right now are images. We are load balancing and if your image gets posted on web2 it won't transfer it to web1. Where if you post the image on web1 it will show up on all the others. Someone who knows about load balancing will probably understand all that. We don't want to replicate the cache right now because it's huge so we are trying to work that out. I think images are a pretty important part of the auctions... I'm sure you would all agree so that's the hold up right now.
05 Nov 2007 at 15:46 - 30
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Originally Posted by Inde
I think images are a pretty important part of the auctions... I'm sure you would all agree so that's the hold up right now.
Definitely, Inde!
Thank you so much for all the work you guys are doing. The auctions have been such a great part of my Guild Wars experience, I look forward to see them in their new incarnation.
Cheers
05 Nov 2007 at 16:12 - 31
do you guys already know when it will be back on?
05 Nov 2007 at 19:25 - 32
Just figured I'd throw my two cents in there... I think the reserve price is a very practical feature... It is voluntary, so sometimes I set it, sometimes I don't. And it allows me to put something up without being ripped off by the guy bidding 10g.
05 Nov 2007 at 19:31 - 33
Not to mention that it isn't always mandatory that you reach it for the buyer to sell. Sometimes they feel that even if it doesn't reach the reserve, it still is a decent off and accept.
Lower prices gets the ball rolling, reserves are what you expect and buyout is what you ideally want.
If it's that big of a hassle to you then just don't bid on an auction that has one.
05 Nov 2007 at 22:46 - 34
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Originally Posted by Inde
It's not really the features that hold any of this up. They are included everyone, automatically. What we are having problems with right now are images.
I thought this would end the feature discussion. But i guess some ppl dont read whats posted, so, i quote it again. The problems Inde mentioned are server and database problems, it has nothing to do with the features!!!
And for, when the Auction will be back, i guess, it will be whenever those problems are fixed. In the meantime, we should all be a little patient and hope that it will be soon. I cant wait myself.
Thanks again to the guys, who are involved in all the work. Youre great. We all owe you one.
~Z~
06 Nov 2007 at 00:00 - 35
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Originally Posted by Yellow_lid
Just figured I'd throw my two cents in there... I think the reserve price is a very practical feature... It is voluntary, so sometimes I set it, sometimes I don't. And it allows me to put something up without being ripped off by the guy bidding 10g.
That argument doesn't hold as you can set the starting bid price to what you want.
Anyways, as Zador said, this is a mute point. as the issues are server side and not features-oriented.
Cheers to the Guru team !!!
06 Nov 2007 at 13:37 - 36
Thanks for the update Inde! It's most appreciated. You guys are doing a great job, and I'm sure it will be up and running just as soon as possible.
Would it help to just throw out the current images? or for that matter, throw out the entire current database? Since this is taking longer than I think any of us anticipated, including you, I don't have a huge problem starting over from scratch. With the speed that the new servers were working prior to the shutdown, I don't think it would take that much for most of us to repost... (and I was maintaining just over 100 auctions when it was shut down...), or is that what is going to happen anyway what with having to reinstall, and reconfigure?
Not sure if it's a viable suggestion, or if the community at large would throw a huge hissy fit over it, but I for one would rather start with a clean database than have to continually fix and patch from trying to migrate.
06 Nov 2007 at 15:46 - 37
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Originally Posted by Inde
It's not really the features that hold any of this up. They are included everyone, automatically. What we are having problems with right now are images. We are load balancing and if your image gets posted on web2 it won't transfer it to web1. Where if you post the image on web1 it will show up on all the others. Someone who knows about load balancing will probably understand all that. We don't want to replicate the cache right now because it's huge so we are trying to work that out. I think images are a pretty important part of the auctions... I'm sure you would all agree so that's the hold up right now.
As far as the images are concerned, I Agree, that you should just Toss/Discard/DELETE the old images associated with the /Auction site and DISABLE the image upload feature altogether and not worry about image hosting or load balancing for auctions at all. And REQUIRE sellers to host and manage ALL images somewhere else on their own. There is a comprehensive image database on Guildwiki and other locations to pull from, and if a seller has to ignore these resources and post a UNIQUE image they can just find a way or place to host the image on their own and live with the consequences if it's that important. I manage over 500 Auction items AND IMAGES on a DAILY basis and do not find hosting or linking images to be any extra burden at all. ~Rud
06 Nov 2007 at 22:59 - 38
1. Let me the Nth player to say this. - Thank you to all the back end coders, maintainers and crew who make GWG Auctions run. I apprechiate your time, effort and service to the GW community! Have a cookie you people deserve it!
2. Can you make this thread sticky. Lets kill the repeat threads of where oh where is our Auctions gone?
3. Images are a problem, okay if you had people host images in oh Photobucket and the like would that solve the issue? So we'ed just link the image here? Its an idea and probally a crappy one.
4. Now I do not advocate spending time to run a temporary site. ( after all time to mange that one would take away from a proper fix of the real site. That said with the problem being back end communications of the servers how serious a problem is this (considering I have little code and server communications knowledge) I do not ask for a time frame for a simple reason, you guys are volunteers, your amazing for it I sense the problem is critical (If the servers are not talking to each other its a BAD THING.
Simply put I'd like a whee bit of knowledge on what is going on and offer a 'simple' solution (Host the images elsewhere). Again I thank you and have the whole box of cookies.
RomJ
08 Nov 2007 at 03:52 - 39
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Originally Posted by Rudhraighe O'Hagan
As far as the images are concerned, I Agree, that you should just Toss/Discard/DELETE the old images associated with the /Auction site and DISABLE the image upload feature altogether and not worry about image hosting or load balancing for auctions at all. And REQUIRE sellers to host and manage ALL images somewhere else on their own. There is a comprehensive image database on Guildwiki and other locations to pull from, and if a seller has to ignore these resources and post a UNIQUE image they can just find a way or place to host the image on their own and live with the consequences if it's that important. I manage over 500 Auction items AND IMAGES on a DAILY basis and do not find hosting or linking images to be any extra burden at all. ~Rud
Yeah Rud.. you've made this perfectly clear NUMEROUS times throughout this thread.... you are beating a dead horse now.....
08 Nov 2007 at 17:08 - 40
I second Wynthyst. I use the guru auctions each and every single day. I would not be offended at all with a wipe. Just let me keep my rad feedback rating!
And to a point, I agree with Hagan. It may not be the worst thing in the world to just make pics links to other hosted images. We have two wikis to draw upon now.
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