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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Not sure. I've ran into far more idiots/assholes in GW than any other game I've ever played.
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We should be able to use henches in Fow/UW now
Malice Black
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
That goes for me as well. Best MMO (community wise) I've ever played was EVE. The steep learning curve repels idiots.
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Strange, ain't it? I have no clue why GW attracts the attention of so many assbags.
Tiny Killer
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
That goes for me as well. Best MMO (community wise) I've ever played was EVE. The steep learning curve repels idiots.
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On a happy note: 3 more days until Mining Barge 3!
As far as the people playing Guild Wars is concerned, I made most of my in-game friends when the game was still new and maybe only 1 or 2 since then. There does seem to be a lot of "bad apples", as it were.
Malice Black
Mining ore = ftw heh made millions mining and refining ore
crazy diamond
I love EVE because of the elitism and drama. Seriously, the game would be a borefest without it.
Sparks Dawnbringer
Well I think we should be able to take 7 heros to the underworld if you wanted. But no one cares.
Jongo River
I'd love to see henchies in FoW/UW (ideally with GW:EN skillbars). I've had GW since launch and I've barely bothered with those areas. Lack of henchies just means I don't play them, it has never forced me to pug (and never will).
Sleeper Service
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
EVE has an awesome community. People from LOTR:O were pretty nice, too. But I'm not just talking about the GW community compared to other MMOs, I'm talking about people in GW compared to people in any game, period.
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you simply cannot compare.
Anarkii
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Strange, ain't it? I have no clue why GW attracts the attention of so many assbags.
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2. Because you don't need to be a part of a community to get anything done(in PvE) - so nobody cares about his reputation or lack of it.
Wish Swiftdeath
quite honestly why you would want henchmen is beyond me.
At least pugs have a chance(however small) of being good.
At least pugs have a chance(however small) of being good.
Darkobra
Because hench are silent idiots.
Smile Like Umean It
So, they never called you noob when you pick out their faults, fight over where/how to do something or draw horribly crooked penises on the mini map.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
are you mad? try MTG online or HL mods, particularly cs.
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Interesting that Sparks keeps bumping these kinds of threads...
GloryFox
It is time for UW and FOW to be opened up to Henchmen. Sorry ANET but with the inclusion of other ELITE area's in the game. UW and FOW are no longer considered ELITE.
BUT they the area's are very cool.
BUT they the area's are very cool.
elliot
Cleared whole of FOW once with 6 hero's.
So dont really see a reson why anyone even would want to take hench, just ask a friend to dump you there with his hero's
So dont really see a reson why anyone even would want to take hench, just ask a friend to dump you there with his hero's
Red Sonya
They need to fix that exploit where you get to use other peoples heroes. When someone leaves that brought heroes their heroes should leave with them. 
MithranArkanere
Not. It's an elite area. Only heroes should be allowed in elite areas.
Instead of that, they should remove henchmen from:
- Sorrow's Furnace (and add a final end-boss chest)
- Tombs of the Primeval Kings. (and add a final end-boss chest)
- Slaver's Exile (and turn the first level into an outpost)
Instead of that, they should remove henchmen from:
- Sorrow's Furnace (and add a final end-boss chest)
- Tombs of the Primeval Kings. (and add a final end-boss chest)
- Slaver's Exile (and turn the first level into an outpost)
Smile Like Umean It
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
They need to fix that exploit where you get to use other peoples heroes. When someone leaves that brought heroes their heroes should leave with them.
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Tyla
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
No I disagree there should be some areas especailly the high end areas where people should HAVE to group/PUG with each other to get to the good items. No one should be able to do this with henchies or even solo for that matter. I don't even like that two man or three men teams can make it alive in these areas. Difficulty needs to be increased so it takes a full group to play in these areas.
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Or professions which are not liked in PvE? *cough* mesmer *cough*
If they are so high end, hench shouldn't be able to do it anyway - but hey, someone *apparently* h/h'd Duncan, and Mallyx got heroway'd...
Why not?
I like this idea!
House Silvermoon
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Originally Posted by kazjun
Don't see why not. If they want to play full H/H then they should have the choice. If the henches die, then people will either learn to go with other people or get better at H/H.
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Heros and Henchmen are better then the average GW player, i kno this from experience -_-
House Silvermoon
I believe henchmen should be allowed into all elite areas. they pretty much deserve it after all that they do for us.
Trub
I refuse to let Stefan have my shards.
DDL
From a personal perspective, I'm keen on the idea of Henching those areas purely because I'd like to get an idea of what they're like, before maybe trying with a PUG.
Yes, I don't want to be in a party full of idiots, sure. But I also don't want to join a party of competent people and be the idiot.
Given that it's apparently hard enough to join a party ANYWAY, turning up and saying "oh by the way, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do" is unlikely to be popular.
Wiki-ing beforehand is only half helpful: Henching it a few times (and failing a lot, certainly) would at least allow you to get a feel for the area, the quests, the obvious and not so obvious pitfalls, etc.
Sure, in an ideal world you could just say "I'd like to join a party but I've never done this before so you'll have to go slow and teach me" would get you a party of friendly helpful people. In reality, the vast majority of the time it will just get you a chorus of "LOL"s.
Yes, I don't want to be in a party full of idiots, sure. But I also don't want to join a party of competent people and be the idiot.
Given that it's apparently hard enough to join a party ANYWAY, turning up and saying "oh by the way, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do" is unlikely to be popular.
Wiki-ing beforehand is only half helpful: Henching it a few times (and failing a lot, certainly) would at least allow you to get a feel for the area, the quests, the obvious and not so obvious pitfalls, etc.
Sure, in an ideal world you could just say "I'd like to join a party but I've never done this before so you'll have to go slow and teach me" would get you a party of friendly helpful people. In reality, the vast majority of the time it will just get you a chorus of "LOL"s.
Ctb
I would like to see H/H allowed in these areas too. I've been itching to clear them for a long time now but just never bothered because I haven't the time to get in a group. I solo them for shard and ectos when I need them, but I'd really to actually do the, you know, QUESTS.
Not allowing H/H in UW and FoW = arbitrary limitation on gameplay = fail
They always wanted to force group play but then didn't put in a grouping interface, then put in a grouping interface that still completely sucked long after most of the people who were decent and competent were gone
Not allowing H/H in UW and FoW = arbitrary limitation on gameplay = fail
They always wanted to force group play but then didn't put in a grouping interface, then put in a grouping interface that still completely sucked long after most of the people who were decent and competent were gone
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
Could you name a few? Just so I know how easy it is in comparison.
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Yes, those missions are easy with the correct build. So is UW and FoW, or at least the parts of them that I've been able to see with just three heroes (e.g. the first two quests + the beach and spider cave in FoW, and the first five quests in UW.).
Hell, the entire realm of terror is pretty much a copy of the FoW, but with tougher enemies and annoying environmental effects.
Personally I'd say that outside the Domain of Anguish the hardest area is Tombs, and I've completed that twice with heroes and henches.
sixofone
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From a personal perspective, I'm keen on the idea of Henching those areas purely because I'd like to get an idea of what they're like, before maybe trying with a PUG.
Yes, I don't want to be in a party full of idiots, sure. But I also don't want to join a party of competent people and be the idiot. Given that it's apparently hard enough to join a party ANYWAY, turning up and saying "oh by the way, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do" is unlikely to be popular. Wiki-ing beforehand is only half helpful: Henching it a few times (and failing a lot, certainly) would at least allow you to get a feel for the area, the quests, the obvious and not so obvious pitfalls, etc. Sure, in an ideal world you could just say "I'd like to join a party but I've never done this before so you'll have to go slow and teach me" would get you a party of friendly helpful people. In reality, the vast majority of the time it will just get you a chorus of "LOL"s. |
I totally agree.
I bought GW because I had the option to solo, which suited me because I admit I am not good at video games and mashing keys. I loved Morrowind and Oblivion (to some degree), but wanted to try a MMO as a change of pace. However, when I got on, I had no idea wtf I was doing and - like the above poster - didn't want to be the "stupid n00b who got everyone killed!"
I started with Nightfall, and so got used to having Heroes. Then added Factions, and lastly Prophecies. (I won't do GW:EN. I disagree with the whole system they introduced where your profession simply doesn't matter, it's all about how much rank you have in specific factions.) So, come Factions Vizunah Square and I have to work with another (human) team (didn't know about using International district, nor about Wiki, then) and get slaughtered because the other team leaves. Over and over. Finally got helped by someone running it from the Foreign Quarter (I was Canthan in this run), and they helped me get thru with Masters.
Anyway, my limited experience with PUGs (Vizunah and Dzagonur Bastion) were miserable, and made me regret ever having decided to try a MMO. I have H&H'd since, but am frustrated that certain PvE areas are "off limits" to that style of play.
My one and only trial of a Guild was unfavorable, too, so I have been largely turned off by my whole "play with others" experience. And, like others, my time is taken up by other things - so when I can play, I don't want to wait around for friends to get on and join me. Nor do I want to leave anyone hanging when I need to log off.
I would like all of PvE to be H&H-able (even if suicide) because - after all - it's a game, not a social experiment. I get frustrated with the challenges, and sure there are times and missions where having just 1 live human helping would be a huge benefit, but I also enjoy my successes when I finally accomplish a mission on my own!
to OP: /signed
Numa Pompilius
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Best MMO (community wise) I've ever played was EVE.
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Pandora's box
Although I don't think a hench/hero team would stand any chance, I must say I'm curious how those Sab builds would do in FoW/UW. And it would be a challence to try out new builds... And also a gold sink I'm afraid. But it would certainly add a new GW experience, so why not give it a try? 
Numa Pompilius
Sab's build works well in FoW (I used a modified version of it to do the first three quests and clear the forest, beach, and spider cave, and I see no reason why it'd not be possible to do more - I lost because I simply screwed up) but not very well in UW. I used a radically different build there to do the five first quests, and the sixth quest, Four Horsemen, is a brick wall to me with just three heroes.
roshanabey2
the game is callled an MMO for a reason, massive MULTIPLAYER online.
I don't understand this community, if pugging is bad, surely you would want to improve it instead of completely getting rid of it, elite areas are the only places where people bother to pug in the first place, and if you are a newbie to elite areas don't tell them, i didn't and and I learnt that way, and I know that it is dishonest, but that is the only way they will pug with you.
I don't understand this community, if pugging is bad, surely you would want to improve it instead of completely getting rid of it, elite areas are the only places where people bother to pug in the first place, and if you are a newbie to elite areas don't tell them, i didn't and and I learnt that way, and I know that it is dishonest, but that is the only way they will pug with you.
Isileth
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the game is callled an MMO for a reason, massive MULTIPLAYER online.
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Its also advertised as a game you can play with a team of AI. It is not a purely multiplayer game and its not advertised as one.
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I don't understand this community, if pugging is bad, surely you would want to improve it instead of completely getting rid of it
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Also a lot of the problems arent game releated, its the people. That cant be fixed.
But there are so many reasons people dont pug.
Time it takes to form a group, not wanting someone to go afk or quit, knowing you have to go afk yourself and not wanting to force than on others, wanting to play in an area no one else is, wanting to do something different in an area that no one else will, not running a proffesion anyone wants, not running a build anyone wants etc etc etc
Basically the AI lets you go off and play how and when you want. You cant fix or change pugs in anyway to allow that freedom.
t00115577
I agree 100%
9/10 pug teams = fail
Heros/Henches = win everytime, if you can use em properly
9/10 pug teams = fail
Heros/Henches = win everytime, if you can use em properly
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by roshanabey2
the game is callled an MMO for a reason, massive MULTIPLAYER online.
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EDIT: CyberNigma is right on the money why I'm playing GW instead of, say, re-playing Oblivion: the variety and content is much greater.
CyberNigma
MMOs/Online Games are to regular games what Television Shows/Serials are to movies. They have more content, last longer, and are usually consistently updated with even more content. The fact that it's multi-player does not matter to everyone. The best part of online games is you usually get more playtime and enjoyment out of the game than a standalone game. It would be a really poor decision to avoid playing online games just because you don't want to play with other people. Online games are where the content is. It's appeal isn't just because its multiplayer (it does give you the option of playing with others when you're in the mood), it's primary benefit is the longer gameplay and extended content/support.
roshanabey2
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That assumes people want to PuG in the first place.
Also a lot of the problems arent game releated, its the people. That cant be fixed. But there are so many reasons people dont pug. Time it takes to form a group, not wanting someone to go afk or quit, knowing you have to go afk yourself and not wanting to force than on others, wanting to play in an area no one else is, wanting to do something different in an area that no one else will, not running a proffesion anyone wants, not running a build anyone wants etc etc etc Basically the AI lets you go off and play how and when you want. You cant fix or change pugs in anyway to allow that freedom. |
The purpose of not allowing hench in elite areas is that they don't survive, simple as that. Sorrows Furnace is evidence, yes it is possibe, but you are ignorant to believe that it is easier with hench(edit: it is still hard). The only reason you have for hench being better than humans is that the player is new to the game and has been run to the area.
Numa Pompilius
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The purpose of not allowing hench in elite areas is that they don't survive, simple as that. Sorrows Furnace is evidence, yes it is possibe, but you are ignorant to believe that it is easier with hench.
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Give me ONE more hero or two more henches, and I'll complete UW and FoW too. Give me a full team of heroes and I'll complete any elite area in the game in hardmode.
The reason for not letting henches into elite areas is simply that they want to encourage grouping, but what it actually achieves is preventing people like me from even trying.
As for easier... Yes of course it's much easier with all-human teams. That's no reason to not let me even try.
roshanabey2
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Rubbish. I've not only completed Sorrows Furnace and Tombs (which is much harder than UW or FoW) with H/H, I've cleared more than half of UW and one third of FoW with just three heroes.
Give me ONE more hero or two more henches, and I'll complete UW and FoW too. Give me a full team of heroes and I'll complete any elite area in the game in hardmode. The reason for not letting henches into elite areas is simply that they want to encourage grouping, but what it actually achieves is preventing people like me from even trying. As for easier... Yes of course it's much easier with all-human teams. That's no reason to not let me even try. |
Sir Pandra Pierva
EVE owns.
its not hard to manage heros.
H/H for FoW for the pure fact i am tired of seeing every damn group be ursan. and my guild sucks ass at fow. Plus its moer fun to race my friend through hard areas with h/h to see who either gets the farthest or wins it first
its not hard to manage heros.
H/H for FoW for the pure fact i am tired of seeing every damn group be ursan. and my guild sucks ass at fow. Plus its moer fun to race my friend through hard areas with h/h to see who either gets the farthest or wins it first
ShoGunTheOne
what are you all complaining for?
Anet's just providing more areas for us to use Ursan,
isn't that what we do anyways?
Why hench when you just Ursan everything?
/end sarcasm
Anet's just providing more areas for us to use Ursan,
isn't that what we do anyways?
Why hench when you just Ursan everything?
/end sarcasm
Sumi
We recruited them,most of us have a full squad of them. It seems like to me that it would be a natural change to the game to allow a full group of heros to tackle the job. Henchies, I agree are not the best in the intell department, but if someone wants to use them, let them do a General Custer and get slaughtered. The heros are part of the game now, and are supposed to be our most loyal followers. I beleive that a group of 7 heros grouped with my main have a fighting chance, more so than with some of the zombies that hang out wanting to group, play around five minutes or so, and degroup themselves or worse, spend the entire mission bragging about their ubberness and getting the rest of us killed while they go AFK as soon as we zone in.