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Originally Posted by crazy diamond
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edit: realizes its a troll. leaves.
edit edit : realizes its a joke comes back. (has no faith at all in humanity)
Waiting to steal drops
Sleeper Service
edit: realizes its a troll. leaves.
edit edit : realizes its a joke comes back. (has no faith at all in humanity)
crazy diamond
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
if we were all DEAD then at least we would still have GW.
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Deadlyjunk
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Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus
how DARE his mom cut herself? and i cant beleive the nerve of the guy, he actually went to help her! sheesh i guess people dont take the GAME seriously enough......
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But I agree, drop stealing is kinda lame, especially in a die/not ressed scenario... the sort of thing you expect a 4-year-old to do when stealing cookies. But that's people for you... making all people nice and kind and considerate would require:
a) Jezus
b) That I die
c) Free pizza, tacos and Coca Cola
d) Two or all of the above
Rushin Roulette
Damn, I hardly noticed my sarcasm detector on the post 4 above me because my 'lol'ometer had a powersurge at the 3rd above post.
SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
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real life is more important than GW...sheesh. |
.... No thanks. I'm PvE-exclusive.
And Emo girls shouldn't have kids.
iriyabran
happened to me i did deep in hm once and i got only 1 drop from the chest i was wondering where was the other one untill i died and someone said
"hay your green drop"
i didn't see it because of all the green player names around me
most left one healers boon monk stayed to get my green
and he probably had res chant but didn't res me
i left cause i didn't want to watch him i was disguisted
at least the green was the hammer
that's why i always try to be polite and fair
i don't want to be one of them
especially in deep i often picked up other people's expired drop and give it to them when we get out of the 4 rooms cause i am afraid someone else will pick them and not give them back
"hay your green drop"
i didn't see it because of all the green player names around me
most left one healers boon monk stayed to get my green
and he probably had res chant but didn't res me
i left cause i didn't want to watch him i was disguisted
at least the green was the hammer
that's why i always try to be polite and fair
i don't want to be one of them
especially in deep i often picked up other people's expired drop and give it to them when we get out of the 4 rooms cause i am afraid someone else will pick them and not give them back
Malice Black
I would never wait 10mins just to get a dead persons drop, that is just very pathetic.
crazy diamond
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
I would never wait 10mins just to get a dead persons drop, that is just very pathetic.
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Malice Black
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Originally Posted by crazy diamond
Well, it's not like it is anything particularly hard to do or that requires any considerable effort to accomplish.
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SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
I would never wait 10mins just to get a dead persons drop, that is just very pathetic.
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I'd sooner spend 10 minutes doing nothing and get a gold for it than spend half an hour farming for that same gold.
I might have a code of honour, so to speak... but I certainly don't have any semblence of dignity.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
You're probably alone there then.... or else obscenely rich.
I'd sooner spend 10 minutes doing nothing and get a gold for it than spend half an hour farming for that same gold. I might have a code of honour, so to speak... but I certainly don't have any semblence of dignity. |
ElinoraNeSangre
Personally I'd pick up the items, and I'd PM the person who got the drops that I'm holding them for them and to let me know when they're back so I can give them to them. It prevents others from stealing them and ensures they still get them if they don't make it back to the computer. Hell, I've offered drops to people who are getting crappy ones. I'd much rather do that and feel good than feel like I made some in-game gold or whatever off someone.
Then again, I'm not exactly normal. :P I do think the policy of picking them up and giving them back if asked is pretty fair, I just prefer to proactively offer them back rather than have someone come around yelling later "WY U STEEL MY DRPS?!?!" Then I'd have to tell them "speak something resembling actual language and not in all caps; then I'll consider giving you the goods."
Heh I figured that his mom was cutting veggies or something and caught herself with the knife. Now I feel silly, of course she must be emo! Then again, if someone was stealing my kid's drops, I'd probably be emo too.
Then again, I'm not exactly normal. :P I do think the policy of picking them up and giving them back if asked is pretty fair, I just prefer to proactively offer them back rather than have someone come around yelling later "WY U STEEL MY DRPS?!?!" Then I'd have to tell them "speak something resembling actual language and not in all caps; then I'll consider giving you the goods."
Heh I figured that his mom was cutting veggies or something and caught herself with the knife. Now I feel silly, of course she must be emo! Then again, if someone was stealing my kid's drops, I'd probably be emo too.
SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
My sig speaks for itself...even if I was completely broke I still wouldn't wait.
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But then we disagree about most things, don't we?
And you're the one with the power to impose your opinion.
Regardless.... many MANY people will actually wait for such things, irrespective of whether you would or not.
I'm one of those who would give back the item to the original owner if they asked for it; many would not.
Bryant Again
I don't see why people would wait for a drop that isn't theirs, unless they're full of douchebaggery.
Malice Black
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And even if I was rich as hell, I would still wait (dependant on it being something I actually WANTED; I don't wait for merch-fodder).
But then we disagree about most things, don't we? And you're the one with the power to impose your opinion. Regardless.... many MANY people will actually wait for such things, irrespective of whether you would or not. I'm one of those who would give back the item to the original owner if they asked for it; many would not. |
Fair play on giving items back though, many wouldn't. I have been in pugs where people rage quit because someone stole their drop.
arcady
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Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus
how DARE his mom cut herself? and i cant beleive the nerve of the guy, he actually went to help her! sheesh i guess people dont take the GAME seriously enough......
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Of course one would expect him to go handle a real world crisis. Which is largely why we would also expect that (s)he would not return.
If you're going to go afk in a PUG / mission - it's either because you got disconnected or something important came up that you could not have reasonably expected before joining in.
I would expect in such a situation that you would handle that something else, and not return. And after 5 minutes, I'd be sure of it, so I wouldn't see the problem in assuming you were not coming back.
And once we have a logical assumption that you aren't returning, might as well divy up the drops and move on. Maybe, if we know you, we could hand them to you later on. But if we don't, then we're just going to have to work off of logical assumptions.
That the OP did return in this case is the exception, not the norm around which we should plan.
Besides, the fact that (s)he did return is not something to admire in this case, given why (s)he went away - (s)he should have stayed offline / away and taken care of family business.
arcady
I of course have a very different opinion of the people who leave your toon dead and still connected, and wait out a timer.
If you're around, if you haven't gone afk, then it is loot stealing, and there's no excuse for that.
If you're around, if you haven't gone afk, then it is loot stealing, and there's no excuse for that.
jhu
it's not stealing if it's not assigned to anyone. you may be annoyed that the items were at one time assigned to you but no longer.
personally, i have better things to do with my time than wait around for 10 minutes just to get a gold drop.
personally, i have better things to do with my time than wait around for 10 minutes just to get a gold drop.
Aleta
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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz
I'd steal your shit, why not?
Say what you will, but it's free and I have a motto with free stuff. Take as much as you can. If you don't pick it up after 10 minutes you SHOULD lose all rights to it, you're simply being neglectful. |
I'm sure glad I don't know you.
Actually it's worse when someone won't rez you and takes your stuff.
However, the OP's circumstances were unusual and to be so discourteous -- just goes to show how wretched the person probably is in RL
SeraCombi
any drops on the ground that are not assigned to a player, are free game. pretty simple.
If you have not seen it drop, didn't care, taking a crap, attending to a personal crisis, doing something else in the game that you consider to be much more important than the gold/green drop that you are now complaining about because it is now so important to you....
you don't get the drop...the loot stalker does. And he doesn't have to PM you or hunt you down or wait for you or hope you'll forgive him.
(i still think loot stalkers are losers but they are within their right to take anything the game mechanics will allow them...outside of scamming)
If you have not seen it drop, didn't care, taking a crap, attending to a personal crisis, doing something else in the game that you consider to be much more important than the gold/green drop that you are now complaining about because it is now so important to you....
you don't get the drop...the loot stalker does. And he doesn't have to PM you or hunt you down or wait for you or hope you'll forgive him.
(i still think loot stalkers are losers but they are within their right to take anything the game mechanics will allow them...outside of scamming)
dunky_g
tbh its lame waiting 10 mins for a drop
and its not yours in the 1st place
so learn to play the game
and earn your own things maby
and its not yours in the 1st place
so learn to play the game
and earn your own things maby
Darkobra
And there are people who want to force us to PUG in this game?
BlackEagle
If you deem something important enough to leave your pc, then you're deeming it important enough to lose any drops. In that case, you can't complain.
Whether people should have taken it is a moot point, because people always will take those things because 300gp is worth 10 minutes of many people's time.
Whether people should have taken it is a moot point, because people always will take those things because 300gp is worth 10 minutes of many people's time.
Dr Strangelove
If you bailed on me for over 10 minutes without saying anything, I'd take your stuff too.
nechronius
I vote for "if it's neglected and left on the ground for 10 minutes, it's fair game." However there are always special circumstances. which have already been covered above. It's only fair that surviving party members make best effort to help someone retrieve their loot.
Which is why I would rather see the "assigned" period extended to 30 minutes. When you're in a Timed mission that requires splitting the party or moving along rapidly, you might not be anywhere near a gold drop, forcing you to choose between risking a mission failure or trying to retrieve a dropped item that may be hard to access.
However with a 30 minute Timer the people skulking about waiting for a gold to go unassigned are either really really sad individuals or really really kind and helpful. For the former you can laugh at their greed which will most likely land them 200-300 gold, or you can add them to your friends list because they were nice enough to return something to you.
Really though, for most scenarios this is somewhat like the survivor title. Even if it's circumstances beyond your control or an act of god, if you die before you achieve Legendary Survivor(3), you don't get a second chance. If you can't get to your drop within 10 minutes, either write it off as a loss or do whatever it takes to go retrieve it.
Make your choice, deal with the consequences, and stop complaining about it.
Which is why I would rather see the "assigned" period extended to 30 minutes. When you're in a Timed mission that requires splitting the party or moving along rapidly, you might not be anywhere near a gold drop, forcing you to choose between risking a mission failure or trying to retrieve a dropped item that may be hard to access.
However with a 30 minute Timer the people skulking about waiting for a gold to go unassigned are either really really sad individuals or really really kind and helpful. For the former you can laugh at their greed which will most likely land them 200-300 gold, or you can add them to your friends list because they were nice enough to return something to you.
Really though, for most scenarios this is somewhat like the survivor title. Even if it's circumstances beyond your control or an act of god, if you die before you achieve Legendary Survivor(3), you don't get a second chance. If you can't get to your drop within 10 minutes, either write it off as a loss or do whatever it takes to go retrieve it.
Make your choice, deal with the consequences, and stop complaining about it.
Darko_UK
Lol id rob you in a second.
Solas
We'll form there perspective they worked hard in a team, and at last guy you bailed, and got the good drops, so its fair enough that one of them feels the right to it as they killed it. that'd be form the pugs view imo.
but dude, your mom cut herself and you lost a drop..do you regret it?
she could have hurt herself bad,things could be far worse then a stolen tome.
Just a bandage job yeah?
but dude, your mom cut herself and you lost a drop..do you regret it?
she could have hurt herself bad,things could be far worse then a stolen tome.
Just a bandage job yeah?
Monique
If someone goes afk and a goooood drop occurs, spam like shit and then take it, so he has no proof!
crazy diamond
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dark_prince2023
I pick up everything but most of the time the pearson didn't want it anyway. Alot of the time I almost stick what I pick up in my mouth but then I here my moms voice. "Put That Down You Don't Know Where That's Been!!!!" "You Want me to spank you!?!" "Then Get that Out of Your Mouth!!!"
Ulterion
Hey, that's why there's a 10 minute rule. It's fair game after that! What's more important anyway? Immaterial gold item on a VG, or your own mom? GG for picking mom. 
All who oppose:
All who oppose:
Chuk Charcoales
As I usually have nothing better to do with my time online, I will gladly wait the time it takes to make your drops mine. The way I see it, if you leave it there for too long the "finders keepers" rule goes into effect and I take it. Although, I'm not scummy enough to wait the alloted time for a pile of glittering dust.
You can't see me
There's nothing really wrong with doing stuff like that.
Heck, if you went afk during a PuG, you deserve to have that taken. I would have done the same thing to you. You know the drop timer, you know that you're with other people, and you know that people will do that. Seriously, and you complain.
Once your name comes off that item, it's up for grabs. So says the holy rule of Arenanet.
Heck, if you went afk during a PuG, you deserve to have that taken. I would have done the same thing to you. You know the drop timer, you know that you're with other people, and you know that people will do that. Seriously, and you complain.
Once your name comes off that item, it's up for grabs. So says the holy rule of Arenanet.
super strokey
What if the dude didnt have a res?
Dark-NighT
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ok so today i did a PUG for lb/ss farm (first mistake) but at the end i was the only one with no golds. so they open the boss shrine and we kill hauseh the defiler, at the same time my mom accidentally cuts herself. so i leave the comp to go help her out. long story short hauseh dropped 2 golds for me, one was elite necro tome and while evry1 else left 1 guy waited out and took my elite necro tome and the other gold. it has also happened to me before with a icy dragon sword when i was testing a build and went with a group. so here's my question, do you guys wait it out and steal the drops or let ppl keep what's assigned to them?
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all those afk boardwalkers got ripped by the masses.
(fine i was there ripping to, i mean free drinks is just to tempting)
Ulterion
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What if the dude didnt have a res?
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Esprit
If everyone has left, except you and your two gold drops and myself, and you haven't moved a muscle in 10 minutes, I will assume your game locked up and I will take your gold items as it would be waste otherwise.
If I really had a heart, I might PM you to PM me to get your drops returned, otherwise... waaa.
If I really had a heart, I might PM you to PM me to get your drops returned, otherwise... waaa.
KycooGhost
It's sad that some one would waster the time to wait for the tome and gold item to become "fair game" rather than go out and farm it. I can get an Elite Necromancer Tome in the 10 mins that guy took to get it to become "fair game". The same goes for just about any item, and I'll come out with more than just the item more often than not. (i.e. Farming the colossal scimitar will get me 1. $$ drops 2. white items to sell for 50g each 3. gold weps and 4. a possible scimitar) Really the guy lost money in stealing the items.
Aera Lure
Shame on anyone who would wait for someone else's drop by refusing to res them. Its unbelievable anyone would do that. I have never been in a party that has done that or tried it, but I have of course heard about it before.
They wouldnt get away with it with me around anyway, as I'd res anyone before anyone could do that. No one would want my drops and do it to me anyway. Have never sold any gold drop for more than 20-30k lol. I just dont see them.
They wouldnt get away with it with me around anyway, as I'd res anyone before anyone could do that. No one would want my drops and do it to me anyway. Have never sold any gold drop for more than 20-30k lol. I just dont see them.
You can't see me
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Shame on anyone who would wait for someone else's drop by refusing to res them. Its unbelievable anyone would do that. I have never been in a party that has done that or tried it, but I have of course heard about it before.
They wouldnt get away with it with me around anyway, as I'd res anyone before anyone could do that. No one would want my drops and do it to me anyway. Have never sold any gold drop for more than 20-30k lol. I just dont see them. |
Shame on me then.
This thread has just gotten around to a discussion on personal morals, and that's a subject where none of us has the right to tell the other we are wrong, unless one of you happens not to be an imperfect human and can tell us right from wrong better than another human can?
I will only say this. Your name goes off the drop after 10 minutes. This was how Arenanet designed the game, and I play by the design. It clearly states the rule of Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers. If I am careless enough not to pick up a drop then someone else who is not careless is rewarded. End of Story.