Profession: A/W
Name: Shadow Prison Assassin
Type: Competitive PvP
Category: Spiker
Attributes:
Critical Strikes- 11 + 3 + 1
Dagger Master- 10 + 3
Deadly Arts- 10 + 3
Skills Set:
1.) Shadow Prison [Elite, deadly arts]
2.) Iron Palm [deadly arts]
3.) Tiger Stance [strength]
4.) Falling Spider [dagger mastery]
5.) Horns of the Ox [dagger mastery]
6.) Black Lotus Strike [critical strikes]
7.) Twisting Fangs [critical strikes]
8.) Dash [no attribute]
Summary: The goal is simple- an absoloute spike that will take out any build. The tactics are the trick. Here is a basic walkthrough.
-Stay at the back of your team as you enter battle
-Pick your target in order of importance (Monk, Ritualist, Mesmer, Necromancer, Assassin, Elementalist, Paragon, Ranger, Dervish, Warrior)
-Wait until target is not adjacent to any allies for maximum spike (good for healers or curse/ blinders)
-Use Shadow Prison to slow them, then iron palm immediately for knockdown
-hit tiger stance and falling spider at the same time for max speed, then complete combo (note that combo can be performed at 30 energy, but an extra 5 is at your disposal)
-use dash for a quick escape to regenerate
-dash is also useful for solo work 1v1 or if your team is dead
Notes & Concerns: Obviously this build is very fragile and goes down easy (you only have 305 hp and 35 energy), so timing is critical for success. In addition you should equip the following-
1.) All radiant ensignias
2.) A Superior Vigor Rune, Extra rune of energy for last slot
3.) Zealous Daggers of Defense "Too Much Information" (-1 energy regen, +5 defense, +15% damage against hexed foes)
Credit: The Shadow Prison Assassin is one of the most over-used noob builds that has lost its value from improper use. After some experimentation I found it to be one of the best spike builds with a little modification and perfect timing. This is my original take on the SP Sin.
SP Sin
Master of Sins
Stormlord Alex
3 Superior runes?
... wow.
I'll leave it for someone else to say...
... wow.
I'll leave it for someone else to say...
Simath
Doesn't matter how strong your spike is when your dead from running a ridiculously low amount of health due to 3 sup runes.
Master of Sins
that's why timing is critical- I said that this build required pro strats- I often am the last one alive on my team if we lose.. its all in the timing
Sqube
- Your use of 3 superior runes... my God, epic fail.
- Why would take out a ritualist before a Mesmer or a Necro?
- Why do you think +5 defense matters when you only have 305 health? Since you're all out damage and don't care what happens to you, you might as well bring a handle of dagger mastery, try to eke out a couple more points of damage.
The SP sin has a lot of variations, but I disapprove of this one.
- Why would take out a ritualist before a Mesmer or a Necro?
- Why do you think +5 defense matters when you only have 305 health? Since you're all out damage and don't care what happens to you, you might as well bring a handle of dagger mastery, try to eke out a couple more points of damage.
The SP sin has a lot of variations, but I disapprove of this one.
Arkantos
You will die with 3 sup runes. It does not matter what you do, you will die. With dp, you'll be more useless then you already are with that build.
Sqube
Note that, with that level of HP, an ele could probably spike you down solo. That is, they could see you running by and decide to go after you and kill you before you could do anything.
Stormlord Alex
I count 2/3 hits from a Derv/War.
... at least he's immune to deep wound
... at least he's immune to deep wound
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Master of Sins
Credit: The Shadow Prison Assassin is one of the most over-used noob builds that has lost its value from improper use. After some experimentation I found it to be one of the best spike builds with a little modification and perfect timing. This is my original take on the SP Sin.
over-used noob builds?
lost its value from improper use?
dude,that builds fails even more than a 55hp warrior
it doesnt even have any other extra hexes encase of hex removal
lost its value from improper use?
dude,that builds fails even more than a 55hp warrior
it doesnt even have any other extra hexes encase of hex removal
craigrs84
your build is mediocre, and the 3 sup runes ruins it sorry. the touch skill makes you have an aftercast timer which makes it slower than the standard sp sin and you take up an extra skill slot.
ksalanpang
lol you'll need a mega-uber vigor rune. I've seen a couple of this build in ab last week. Not sure if that's you. But ya it'd be deadlier if there's expose + fix your runes.
Master of Sins
Don't be so quick to judge. The point is to not attract attention- if you stay in the back and wait you really can survive. If you luck out with a monk then even if you are attacked dash and heals can keep you up. I will admit that any substantial amount of attention will take you down, but prevention is the idea. The spike is so fast that it makes up for it- your in and out in only 8 seconds.
Div
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Originally Posted by Master of Sins
Notes & Concerns: Obviously this build is very fragile and goes down easy (you only have 305 hp and 35 energy)
My assassin has 45 energy without radiant insignias. Do I win a prize?
Oh, and say hai to rodgorts+liquid flame.
Oh, and say hai to rodgorts+liquid flame.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Master of Sins
Don't be so quick to judge. The point is to not attract attention- if you stay in the back and wait you really can survive. If you luck out with a monk then even if you are attacked dash and heals can keep you up. I will admit that any substantial amount of attention will take you down, but prevention is the idea. The spike is so fast that it makes up for it- your in and out in only 8 seconds.
and you compare that time to AoD sin or the decent SP sin and your in and out in only 4 seconds?
Stormlord Alex
8 seconds?
The average (read: decent) SP sin is 4-5. And doesn't die of a light breeze.
The average (read: decent) SP sin is 4-5. And doesn't die of a light breeze.
Master of Sins
8 seconds means you are out of enemy attack range. It is the total time for the combined spike and total escape. Obviously arguing will not make a difference. I just encourage you to try my builds before you judge them. Just gotta run good strats man 
but don't think that all of my sins are like this. I have a Rt/A with super dps and only 1 sup rune- plenty of hp.
but don't think that all of my sins are like this. I have a Rt/A with super dps and only 1 sup rune- plenty of hp.
Amalek
ups ur bad at gw
Master of Sins
think what you want- I have had GW since day one of prophecies. I'm sure many of you have. I understand I am new to your site, but don't take me for a fool. If you truly put the time into the build and you still can't handle it then its just not for you-
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Master of Sins
8 seconds means you are out of enemy attack range. It is the total time for the combined spike and total escape. Obviously arguing will not make a difference. I just encourage you to try my builds before you judge them. Just gotta run good strats man but don't think that all of my sins are like this. I have a Rt/A with super dps and only 1 sup rune- plenty of hp.
Rt/A being spirits strength spiker?
dude,8 seconds kill+escape is slow.
and your strats will kinda suck balls when you get hit by something called cripple
i think ya kinda got pulled apart,plus anyone can handle an SP build with a little timing(or in some cases it takes a lil more for different stuff)
but don't think that all of my sins are like this. I have a Rt/A with super dps and only 1 sup rune- plenty of hp.
Rt/A being spirits strength spiker?dude,8 seconds kill+escape is slow.
and your strats will kinda suck balls when you get hit by something called cripple
i think ya kinda got pulled apart,plus anyone can handle an SP build with a little timing(or in some cases it takes a lil more for different stuff)
Saphatorael
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Originally Posted by Amalek
ups ur bad at gw
Well... QFT, that's all I have to say.
yum
Err what do you mean by "Competitive PvP"? AB or FA? If so, ye it's good.
Using 3 sup runes is a joke in any other forms of pvp just to push stats as high as possible, even in RA. And your stat distributing is also a joke BTW, if you want to talk about pvp, go Gladiator's arena
You are one of the many "I hax GW for 2 years, I must be gud!!!!!!111111." If you cant see why your build is awful, you are hopeless, especially after 2 years playing.
Using 3 sup runes is a joke in any other forms of pvp just to push stats as high as possible, even in RA. And your stat distributing is also a joke BTW, if you want to talk about pvp, go Gladiator's arena
You are one of the many "I hax GW for 2 years, I must be gud!!!!!!111111." If you cant see why your build is awful, you are hopeless, especially after 2 years playing.
Master of Sins
not really- some people are better in one week then someone in two years, unfortunately all you guys seem to worry about is health. Consider the KD- they are on the ground the entire time. All I do is assassin, I have unlocked every skill and constatnly watch other players, if your not good enough to dodge attention then you obviously shouldn't try this build.
Arkantos
Maybe because health is one of the most important things you need.
Sure, you can run 3 sups in ABs because you get no dp, but if you ran 3 sups in TA, GvG or HA, once you get dp you're worthless. This doesn't only go for your build, but for any build.
No matter how good you are at GW, you will die with 305hp, and you will become worthless with dp. If you honestly think you will be fine with 305hp, that's your decision. The fact is, 305hp in PvP is bad.
Sure, you can run 3 sups in ABs because you get no dp, but if you ran 3 sups in TA, GvG or HA, once you get dp you're worthless. This doesn't only go for your build, but for any build.
No matter how good you are at GW, you will die with 305hp, and you will become worthless with dp. If you honestly think you will be fine with 305hp, that's your decision. The fact is, 305hp in PvP is bad.
Sqube
Dash is not the be-all and end-all of escaping. It's certainly a useful skill, but you're one cripple, one mesmer hex away from doom.
[skill=text]Imagined Burden[/skill], or any of a metric ton of skills designed to slow you down, mean your toast. Degen will kill you. Any amount of focused fire will kill you.
We all know that the spiking ability of the assassin is unparalleled. However, what you've done here is taken that idea to an illogical conclusion. You need at least a semblance of survivability in any PvP build, and this just doesn't seem to have any.
[skill=text]Imagined Burden[/skill], or any of a metric ton of skills designed to slow you down, mean your toast. Degen will kill you. Any amount of focused fire will kill you.
We all know that the spiking ability of the assassin is unparalleled. However, what you've done here is taken that idea to an illogical conclusion. You need at least a semblance of survivability in any PvP build, and this just doesn't seem to have any.
Master of Sins
thank you for at least being respectful Sqube. I have lots of minor tweaks to all of these that make them survivable, but its just more fun to live or die by the skin of your teeth.
Shuuda
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Originally Posted by Master of Sins
think what you want- I have had GW since day one of prophecies. I'm sure many of you have. I understand I am new to your site, but don't take me for a fool. If you truly put the time into the build and you still can't handle it then its just not for you-
If you have had GW since day one, and can think that the build you have posted is good in anyway That confirms how bad you are to us.
As all others have said, this build lacks survivability to the max, and the damage you will get compared to an assassin that uses minor attribute runes is rather little, certainly not enough to justify this train wreck of a build.
Harsh truths FTW.
As all others have said, this build lacks survivability to the max, and the damage you will get compared to an assassin that uses minor attribute runes is rather little, certainly not enough to justify this train wreck of a build.
Harsh truths FTW.
Scourge`
This build is full of win because a monk can wand you to death.
moko
i'm requesting close and deletion so new players will not get terrible ideas from this (and his other threads).
SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by Mokone
i'm requesting close and deletion so new players will not get terrible ideas from this (and his other threads).
Seconded.
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greywolf31
Maybe you all should try a battle with him to see it work...
I suck at timing so most of the kewl builds never work for me, either that or I just need to work with someone to learn 'em properly.
I have learned from many games, TCC Games, Video and such, that if a player has found something that works for him, however improbable it may seem, one should respect the ingenuity and creative thought.
Have him show you how it works, not just beat him down because you can't see or understand how he makes it work. Maybe he could capture a video of his battles to show the proof of concept.
A word of caution on the initial post: that this is no way an easy build to run would have been good. =)
my 2 cents, I'll shut up now. =)
Peace,
Todd
FYI: I am pretty much a PvE-er, I am not twitchy enough to be good at PvP. So I don't have a lot of experience in PvP. I am just addressing the concept of his build not the validity of it. =)
I suck at timing so most of the kewl builds never work for me, either that or I just need to work with someone to learn 'em properly.
I have learned from many games, TCC Games, Video and such, that if a player has found something that works for him, however improbable it may seem, one should respect the ingenuity and creative thought.
Have him show you how it works, not just beat him down because you can't see or understand how he makes it work. Maybe he could capture a video of his battles to show the proof of concept.
A word of caution on the initial post: that this is no way an easy build to run would have been good. =)
my 2 cents, I'll shut up now. =)
Peace,
Todd
FYI: I am pretty much a PvE-er, I am not twitchy enough to be good at PvP. So I don't have a lot of experience in PvP. I am just addressing the concept of his build not the validity of it. =)
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by greywolf31
FYI: I am pretty much a PvE-er, I am not twitchy enough to be good at PvP. So I don't have a lot of experience in PvP. I am just addressing the concept of his build not the validity of it. =)
I'll sum it up for you.
It's basically the tried-and-tested 123456-kill SP 'sin common to many areas of PvP.
Except the survivability is terrible and the spike longer.
It's baed.
It's basically the tried-and-tested 123456-kill SP 'sin common to many areas of PvP.
Except the survivability is terrible and the spike longer.
It's baed.
Keithark
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Originally Posted by Master of Sins
not really- some people are better in one week then someone in two years, unfortunately all you guys seem to worry about is health. Consider the KD- they are on the ground the entire time. All I do is assassin, I have unlocked every skill and constatnly watch other players, if your not good enough to dodge attention then you obviously shouldn't try this build.
one of the first things I do in TA and RA is target the sin....if I am on my ranger I d-shot right after he orbs in and ruin his chain, on necro he gets insidious before he even gets to his target, if mesmer divert a skill and put empathy....this makes them useless and at 300 hp and IAS you would be dead before you even knew you had insidious on you
bungusmaximus
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Originally Posted by Keithark
one of the first things I do in TA and RA is target the sin....if I am on my ranger I d-shot right after he orbs in and ruin his chain, on necro he gets insidious before he even gets to his target, if mesmer divert a skill and put empathy....this makes them useless and at 300 hp and IAS you would be dead before you even knew you had insidious on you
And then there's wearying strike spam, that already eats away half of your health bar if you got a DECENT amount of health let alone 300 hp. Master of sins should play monk for a while, he WILL pull hair because healing people wearing multiple sup runes is a major pain in the ass (If someone brings up prot spirit he'll get digitally slapped, mind you).
zknifeh
lol i wont even need to use impale to take that build down while he is spiking someone else down
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Master of Sins
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Originally Posted by Mokone
i'm requesting close and deletion so new players will not get terrible ideas from this (and his other threads).
QFT gogo
Bobby2
So far, in decent PvP, the greatest dangers to me (hence me being able to do my job) have been degeneration and Necro hexes draining my HP. Often, not even coming from the guy I'm fighting (he's indeed too busy being KD'd to death).
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Where in heaven's name did you get the idea that it was just the two of you slugging it out? Quote: I'll sum it up for you.
It's basically the tried-and-tested 123456-kill SP 'sin common to many areas of PvP. Except the survivability is terrible and the spike longer. It's baed. Master of Sins
hmm well it seems that the opinion hasn't changed much- but yes, I should have said that this build is very difficult to run well. When I saw dodge attention I mean that when the four of you attack you use tactics to make it seem as if your not worth the time to your enemies. TY greywolf. And yes- I think I will find a way to video my builds and post them- then you can see how I run it- delete it if you want, it still exists.
Aerial Assault
Just for shits and giggles, and ignoring all the obvious no-no's of this build...
What do you do when: 1) Monk has just pre-protted with Guardian or SoD 2) Monk preempted with Holy Veil 3) A defensive stance is triggered midway into your combo chain (keep in mind this can be done even when knocked-down from the iron palm).
Bowstring Badass
I will just use the long forgoten bars and just laugh at this crap and wait for you to try twisting and shock it and just rape you because you have no health...
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Master of Sins
hmm well it seems that the opinion hasn't changed much- but yes, I should have said that this build is very difficult to run well. When I saw dodge attention I mean that when the four of you attack you use tactics to make it seem as if your not worth the time to your enemies. TY greywolf. And yes- I think I will find a way to video my builds and post them- then you can see how I run it- delete it if you want, it still exists.
No, it's incredibly easy to run to it's full potential.
You run your finger down the keyboard and hope for a kill, just like every other SP spiker. The difference is that every other SP spiker doesn't die in 2 hits. |
