Tome Pricing

=DNC=Trucker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

TLA

Me/

Can someone explain why regular tomes are steady at 500g? If it takes 1k and a skill point to buy the skill, it seems odd that the tomes are not around 1k. Skill prices are cheaper until you buy so many, but I assume the majority of market goers have reached that 1k mark at the trainer - maybe I am wrong on this assumption.

Crimso

Crimso

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

PCformatforums[PCFF]

Me/Mo

people sell them at 500-700 because they catch peoples attention quicker even if it did cost a skill point I'd much rather buy a skill when I felt like it then buy a tome for the same price when I don't even need the skill.

Because people sell them at 500g it means you can buy some for later use and get the skills much cheaper which encourages more players to purchase them.

=DNC=Trucker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

TLA

Me/

Makes sense I guess, I would rather just buy it than sit in town for who knows how long spamming WTB for 900g. But, as far as selling goes, 10 characters buying skills all the time = losing big money to sell for 500.

Corwin_Andros

Corwin_Andros

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

W/E

Haven't sold any tomes myself. I have all 12 ele tomes I've found safely tucked away in storage. But I can understand the pricing strategy.

Since we are talking tomes though... Anyone know any decent farming spots for mesmer, necro, or ranger tomes? I get all my ele tomes in the desert killing hydras.. so far no elite ones though.

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

When new things come out they go out of balance with pricing and then eventualy settle into a comfortable price for the average gw player unless there are times of demand.

I often sell them in bulk 20 = 10k

combatchuck

combatchuck

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

Ranger tomes drop like crazy in Nebo Terrace HM.

kaldak

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

I was trying to buy reg dervish tomes earlier and people kept trying to charge around 2k...which is just stupid and baffling...

Tea Girl

Tea Girl

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Mo/Me

it's pretty hard to find regular monk tomes :T

Sekkira

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

Why would you buy a tome for 1k to get a skill on your character if you can just go to the skill trainer and spend 1k to get it?

Now tell me, would you pay 500g for skills as opposed to 1k?

Government Flu

Government Flu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Albuquerque, New Mexico

Paradoxa Zoloft Asylum [PXZ]

W/R

First off, for a veteran player skill points are nearly worthless. If it wasn't for consumables, there really wouldn't be a single reason to have them. And oddly enough, some people are indeed willing to buy regular tomes for 1,000g each. And then there's some that will sell them for 100g each, so while there is a generally accepted price that has evolved along with the game economy and player trends, in the end any given person can lower or raise the price to their own standards.

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Think about it - a skill tome is actually LESS valuable than a Skill Trainer unlock, as you can only acquire skills you've already unlocked.

Thus, they are useful to:
1) PvP-types that have a lot of unlocks via Balth faction
2) Veteran players that need secondary skills for existing characters
3) Veteran players that need primary skills for a new character where the class is unlocked via prior play on a rerolled toon or via Balth

At this point, supply is such that the market is flooded - they are generated by the community faster than they are spent. Since most players have a surplus of skill points, you get an equilibrium price that's lower than that of the alternative, always-available option.

Spazzer

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

The reason skill tomes are less than 1k is because 1k per skill is too much to ask. It's as simple as that.

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

I wish they had a tome for signet of capture :-(

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord
I wish they had a tome for signet of capture :-(
...Elite Tomes?

Shadowfox1125

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

W/

He means a tome that lets you get a Signet of Capture, which you would then use to cap an elite. It won't happen, but it would be a nice idea.

shmek

shmek

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tea Girl
it's pretty hard to find regular monk tomes :T
The botters hold on to them to make a new bot when the old bot gets deleted after farming for a week or two.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

Tomes are easy to farm. You must have the skill already unlocked on your account to get it on a PvE character [useless for PvP]. I don't know anyone who will pay 900~g for a tome unless it's dervish or monk. Sin and rangers I've seen for 200-300, but the average for any is still 500. If they were all 800-999, it would be cheaper to pay 1k the second you need the skill than wait and spam trying to buy a tome.

Dallcingi

Dallcingi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

The Black Parades [死人死]

Mo/

You can use tomes if you are pro.... if you rerolled a character and want to use skills that it can't reach, for example Ember light camp only skills, you can just use a tome. I did this for a 55 monk that just hit mainland Cantha... and that is when I realized why some tomes like monks/dervs are more than 1k.. because it is a necessity that can not be reached early game.

Sasuke The Betrayer

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak
...Elite Tomes?
most people would just pay 1k for a SOC and cap the skill, saving 7-10k..

Sharkman

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

But if you are already at mainland Cantha you can just as easily travel to Lions Arch and buy the skills...

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by shmek
The botters hold on to them to make a new bot when the old bot gets deleted after farming for a week or two.
Nah, its just that there isn't a lot of mobs of pure monks. There are plenty of large groups of sins, paragons, rangers, warriors, basically every profession that can be farmed (think vermin farming for sin tomes, termite farming for warrior ones, shrieker farming for paragon ones). How many large groups of just monks do you see? Not many. Usually there are only one or two monks in a group playing a supporting role, not whole mobs full of them.

CyberMesh0

CyberMesh0

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Charter Vanguard [CV]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer
most people would just pay 1k for a SOC and cap the skill, saving 7-10k..
Most people are too lazy to cap themselves, therefore they must have tomes to make things easier.

TheLichMonky

TheLichMonky

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Does it matter?

Im to good for guilds

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer
most people would just pay 1k for a SOC and cap the skill, saving 7-10k..

I wouldnt, because then I would have to :

1. Make sure my character was that far.
2. Cap the skill.

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLichMonky
I wouldnt, because then I would have to :

1. Make sure my character was that far.
2. Cap the skill.
#2 being the worst in most cases.

TheLichMonky

TheLichMonky

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Does it matter?

Im to good for guilds

Quote:
Originally Posted by garethporlest18
#2 being the worst in most cases.
Lol yes Lennert, btw GET TO GROTTO NOW

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

I must have missed something, but the regular tomes are pretty useless if you have another character that has already unlocked the skill---I noticed that my mo/n unlocked all the nf necro skills so that my necro only had to get to yohlon haven (I think it was) and all of the necro reg skills were available to her...of course if you can get the tomes for cheap then you dont need to spend the 1plat for the skill, but still, thats not much of a savings. Now elite tomes I can understand (especially some of the stupid places to have to cap).

TheLichMonky

TheLichMonky

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Does it matter?

Im to good for guilds

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosyfiep
I must have missed something, but the regular tomes are pretty useless if you have another character that has already unlocked the skill---I noticed that my mo/n unlocked all the nf necro skills so that my necro only had to get to yohlon haven (I think it was) and all of the necro reg skills were available to her...of course if you can get the tomes for cheap then you dont need to spend the 1plat for the skill, but still, thats not much of a savings. Now elite tomes I can understand (especially some of the stupid places to have to cap).
Not true, I got all my characters every skill ( elite and non ) for every 2ndary, You never know when your going to need to run a Vow of Silence sin xD

CHunterX

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

Why the hell would you pay 1k for a tome when you could just go to Lions Arch and pay 1k and buy the skill directly?

TheLichMonky

TheLichMonky

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Does it matter?

Im to good for guilds

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHunterX
Why the hell would you pay 1k for a tome when you could just go to Lions Arch and pay 1k and buy the skill directly?
Maybe you made a new character that doesnt have the skill points, and no one else is selling for 500g keke

Agyar

Agyar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

AUSSIE TROLLING CREW - CAPSLOCK CONSULTANT

[Dong]

Mo/

Saturated market. Supply versus demand sets the price, not the price of skills at the trainer (it has an effect on the price yes, but it doesn't dictate them).

placebo overdose

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

N/

really i think it comes down to supply and demand people want them but more people need to sell them so they lower prices to beat the competition which leaves it at an average price of 600g

Steboy93

Steboy93

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Feb 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] | Ex-Officer [TAM]

W/

Skill trader=1k+skill point

Skill Tome=500g+1,000 balthazar faction

Sasuke The Betrayer

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLichMonky
I wouldnt, because then I would have to :

1. Make sure my character was that far.
2. Cap the skill.

Then again, that would mean you'd have to do that for ALL elite skills you want, and you end up doing the storyline do cap the skills, to save a good 100k+ really. I get tomes for things like Maw, or Savannah Heat, as I simply don't want to go out that far.

a toddler

a toddler

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2007

In your house!!! O.o

Knights of the Seraphium

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHunterX
Why the hell would you pay 1k for a tome when you could just go to Lions Arch and pay 1k and buy the skill directly?
Factions or Nightfall-only skill perhaps?

william1975

william1975

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Dragons of Torment (DOA)

Me/

I don't like trading as it is, so i still tend to just go and buy a skill from a skill trainer, have so many skill points on my main that i don't miss them.

I use tomes as i find them on my primary characters as i have fully unlocked all the skills with PvP playing on and off.

If i was desperatly wanting to save money however i would certainly consider buying a bunch of tomes for 500g each. and if i had no skill points then i would also consider it in order to put it on a younger character

-Loki-

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHunterX
Why the hell would you pay 1k for a tome when you could just go to Lions Arch and pay 1k and buy the skill directly?
If you have only Factions, but have PvP packs for Prophecies and nightfall, then it's the only way to get those skills on your PvE character.

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

55HP in Gates of Kryta = good Necro, Warrior, Mesmer and sometimes Ele tomes.

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

yeah if somone is selling the mfor 500g i'd prob buy them, because

:50% cheaper
:EAsier then traveling to area
:Saves Time

so it really is the better option for me

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125
He means a tome that lets you get a Signet of Capture, which you would then use to cap an elite. It won't happen, but it would be a nice idea.
Yea exactly, I would rather fish for the skills myself, instead of paying 10k for an elite O_o. 500g, heck 700g would be better then that stupid 1k cost :-(. Plus you can't get it from skill quests.

CyberMesh0

CyberMesh0

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Charter Vanguard [CV]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Loki-
If you have only Factions, but have PvP packs for Prophecies and nightfall, then it's the only way to get those skills on your PvE character.
If you only have the PvP unlock packs, they shouldn't be available for your PvE character at all.