Syncing and view of the average guildwars player
Shadowmoon
Alot of yall know syncing has been around for a long time. Me and my friends have done it for some of the costume brawl. After rolling a number of teams just because of the added organization added by players you actually know, i wonder if this should be fixed or it just part of the game similar to death leveling in presearing? I'm just wondering what the average player feels about syncing, may it be in RA or special events like costume bawl, snow fight, or beetle racing.
Antheus
Syncing is "cheating" in the respect that it allows you to have an almost guaranteed above par team in an inherently disorganized gameplay.
I have no problem with that whatsoever, since these teams aren't even remotely invincible. RA guarantees there is no major meta game going on, and you can always find odd counters.
Then again, there are some people who are convinced that doing so makes them great pvpers, since they win more often than they lose. Good for them, or something.
Anything random was never considered a big deal of any kind.
And average players don't post on forums, so you won't find their feedback here.
I have no problem with that whatsoever, since these teams aren't even remotely invincible. RA guarantees there is no major meta game going on, and you can always find odd counters.
Then again, there are some people who are convinced that doing so makes them great pvpers, since they win more often than they lose. Good for them, or something.
Anything random was never considered a big deal of any kind.
And average players don't post on forums, so you won't find their feedback here.
Fril Estelin
For CB, this seems ridiculous, because the event was created so that we can have "fun". They look like overcompetitive children who want to "pwn" you. This is competitive play, but also FUN. Unless these guys are perverts who enjoy making people ridiculous (doubt it!) or cannot feel "fun" if they loose?
Personette
But it's even more "fun" to do the fun little side-games with guildies. On top of which, every guildie in your team is one less person who leaves when the score is 9:6 in someone else's favor.
Burst Cancel
Synching makes sense for event arenas like CB, but does not make sense for RA. The reason is because the event arenas do not have an organized alternative - there is no "team arena" for snowball fighting, costume brawl, etc. Therefore, if I actually want to play the event game with competent people and/or with my friends, the only way to do so is to 321join.
@Fril: "Fun" doesn't mean you stop caring about things like competency. Playing with people who don't know what they're doing isn't actually much fun - it's just frustrating. It has nothing to do with being competitive or not - even when there's nothing at stake, it's just more fun to play when you and everyone around you knows what they're doing.
@Fril: "Fun" doesn't mean you stop caring about things like competency. Playing with people who don't know what they're doing isn't actually much fun - it's just frustrating. It has nothing to do with being competitive or not - even when there's nothing at stake, it's just more fun to play when you and everyone around you knows what they're doing.
Master Ketsu
Syncing = Cheating.
FYI: The most used Game designers definition of cheating is "Anything that exploits the game in order to act differantly in terms of advantages/disadvantages then the designer intended"
Anet's designers designed Brawl to be random. Any exploit to get around that is cheating.
Technically, even in random arena, leaving/rejoining until you get a monk is also cheating.
FYI: The most used Game designers definition of cheating is "Anything that exploits the game in order to act differantly in terms of advantages/disadvantages then the designer intended"
Anet's designers designed Brawl to be random. Any exploit to get around that is cheating.
Technically, even in random arena, leaving/rejoining until you get a monk is also cheating.
DreamRunner
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
For CB, this seems ridiculous, because the event was created so that we can have "fun". They look like overcompetitive children who want to "pwn" you. This is competitive play, but also FUN. Unless these guys are perverts who enjoy making people ridiculous (doubt it!) or cannot feel "fun" if they loose?
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Malice Black
Syncing is cheating. It's that simple.
Can't deal with the randomness? don't play the game
Can't deal with the randomness? don't play the game
Zinger314
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Can't deal with the randomness? don't play life
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Malice Black
lol Zinger....quality edit 
YunSooJin
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Syncing is cheating. It's that simple.
Can't deal with the randomness? don't play the game |
gg?
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Personette
But it's even more "fun" to do the fun little side-games with guildies. On top of which, every guildie in your team is one less person who leaves when the score is 9:6 in someone else's favor.
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It was supposed to be Random Arena.
Chthon
It's cheating, period.
reddswitch
I pointed out sync'ers in it early on. Costume Brawl looks like it was set up for random participants. Similar to random arena you're probably not supposed to sync. It's yet another half assed event game which won't change next time, like the other event games.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by YunSooJin
Or I can not care what you think and sync and still play the game.
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"I play to win" <~~yeah ok *snore*
Antheus
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Sync if you want..just proves you're not good enough to deal with the randomness of it.
"I play to win" <~~yeah ok *snore* |
- glad points
- progression
- TA in the end
Some builds which are godly in RA are horrible in TA. Although I doubt many plan to stay for TA if they start in RA.
Since the only reward is 5 or 10 consecutives, there is a desire to have a good team.
If RA were single match, then there would be less emphasis on team. But with current design, guaranteeing a benefit for your own side to farm those 3 glad points does make sense in some way. And to feel leet of course.
Syncing in various events, snowball arena or costume brawls however brings back that old quote about winning special olympics.
Zeek Aran
I think you people are too serious about winning then. o.O I prefer my random 'Hey look an alliance member!' option.
cosyfiep
people who do 'snycing' (now thats a catchy title) make the game for the rest of us NOT fun.....I stopped playing the snowball fights cause of teams that did that, I have also found that the CB has gone that way as well......
I dont pvp and this is one of the few places for us pve people to try out pvp without having to be 'leet' to get a few victories. If you need to be 'leet' go back to pvp and let us pve people have some fun.
I dont pvp and this is one of the few places for us pve people to try out pvp without having to be 'leet' to get a few victories. If you need to be 'leet' go back to pvp and let us pve people have some fun.
Shadowmoon
Personally i think the main motivation for this is the gamer title, a title that could only during very limiting periods of time. If Glad title was moved out of RA, i can 100% say there will be no more syncing there as well. Titles pushes people to do the most profitable means to gain them.
wu is me
I think syncing isn't really a problem, esp if theres a lot of ppl playing. I tried to sync with ONE friend once in RA and out of 10 attempts, none of them yielded results.
If it's all about randomness, then if a group successfully syncs, I think its just lucky for them given that the brawl is hugely successful, and the chances of success are quite slim.
If it's all about randomness, then if a group successfully syncs, I think its just lucky for them given that the brawl is hugely successful, and the chances of success are quite slim.
RPGmaniac
Sure, it's getting around the system, but I don't think it's really that bad. I don't get all mad about syncers if I run against them, I just got bad luck. I've synced with a couple guildies from time to time because we were bored and felt like it.
However, the most memorable time I synced was with my guildie when we both ran touch rangers as a joke. We ended up getting a glad point (before the system was reworked).
However, the most memorable time I synced was with my guildie when we both ran touch rangers as a joke. We ended up getting a glad point (before the system was reworked).
Holly Herro
Syncing is stupid. You play PvP to have a challenge, not run 3 SF eles and a monk in ascalon arena ><
Burst Cancel
Forget "play to win", competition, etc. It just flat-out isn't fun, win or lose, to play with people who don't know what they're doing.
kazjun
I don't care. Everyone has set builds anyway. If they manage to sync and get better teamwork, then they deserve to win.
Chicken of the Seas
My boyfriend and I sync all the time in holiday arenas. No, we don't do it just to "win" with builds or whatever (considering holiday arenas builds are already set), we do it so we can play together. For others that sync for the fun of it I don't see a problem with it, especially considering theres no guarantee that you'll even make it in the same party, let alone have good teammates. Although I did have an ignorant person give us a good pointless bashing in costume arena today for syncing with my boyfriend.
Diddy bow
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Or I can not care what you think and sync and still play the game.
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Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
Forget "play to win", competition, etc. It just flat-out isn't fun, win or lose, to play with people who don't know what they're doing.
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Burst Cancel
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Then don't play in Random areans. You'd think the title would give it away..
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However, no such option exists for event arenas. I guarantee you, if there was a Team Snowball, I'd have been doing that instead of wasting my time trying to sync into random Snowball.
Seef II
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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
Personally i think the main motivation for this is the gamer title, a title that could only during very limiting periods of time. If Glad title was moved out of RA, i can 100% say there will be no more syncing there as well. Titles pushes people to do the most profitable means to gain them.
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Fril Estelin
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If you'd read above, you'll note I say syncing makes no sense for RA because TA exists.
However, no such option exists for event arenas. I guarantee you, if there was a Team Snowball, I'd have been doing that instead of wasting my time trying to sync into random Snowball. |
) and they have to make it a team event. But well, they'll probably tell us that there's no rule against it...From the Webster:
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fun Pronunciation: \ˈfən\ Function: noun Etymology: English dialect fun to hoax, perhaps alteration of Middle English fonnen, from fonne dupe Date: 1727 1: what provides amusement or enjoyment; specifically: playful often boisterous action or speech |
Burst Cancel
Quoting the dictionary is meaningless. Everyone instinctively knows what fun is, regardless of what it says in any printed reference.
You're working on the assumption that fun necessarily means that you can't care about anything in order to actually have fun. This assumption is entirely without merit. Do you ever have fun in competition? Because I do, and I will tell you straight out it has very little to do with winning or losing.
Further, nowhere do I claim that there must be a team event arena. However, if such an arena doesn't exist, then people who want to play with specific people in the arena must necessarily 321join. Plain if-then logic.
You're working on the assumption that fun necessarily means that you can't care about anything in order to actually have fun. This assumption is entirely without merit. Do you ever have fun in competition? Because I do, and I will tell you straight out it has very little to do with winning or losing.
Further, nowhere do I claim that there must be a team event arena. However, if such an arena doesn't exist, then people who want to play with specific people in the arena must necessarily 321join. Plain if-then logic.
YunSooJin
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Sync if you want..just proves you're not good enough to deal with the randomness of it.
"I play to win" <~~yeah ok *snore* |
Oh yeah, and maybe people don't always agree with you on what is exciting and what is not?
"I play to win" <~~ OH HELL YEAH *cheer*
YunSooJin
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Originally Posted by Diddy bow
Why even bother then, how is it fun to just wipe out the other teams with an unfair advantage? its not like the rewards are any good.
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makosi
I raised this subject before and Andrew Patrick said that he'd forward the problem to Anet at around the time the Dishonorable patch rolled out.
He said that they'd deal with it if it was a significant enough problem. It hasn't been dealth with so it's obviously not big enough for them to bother about.
It's ok to abuse anything in the game these days because people got away with abusing the primary quest bug with GW:EN HM patch, dupers are among us and people sync cheat.
He said that they'd deal with it if it was a significant enough problem. It hasn't been dealth with so it's obviously not big enough for them to bother about.
It's ok to abuse anything in the game these days because people got away with abusing the primary quest bug with GW:EN HM patch, dupers are among us and people sync cheat.
Burst Cancel
If you think syncing is on the same level of offense as duping and bug exploitation, you either a) don't think duping or exploits are serious problems, or b) need a reality check before you drown in your own rhetoric.
aapo
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
It was supposed to be Random Arena.
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There are no cheaters, there's just systems that don't work.
YunSooJin
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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
If you think syncing is on the same level of offense as duping and bug exploitation, you either a) don't think duping or exploits are serious problems, or b) need a reality check before you drown in your own rhetoric.
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Darkobra
It's an exploit, plain and simple. Ignorance is only bliss to an extent. Then it just runs right into stupidity.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
It's an exploit, plain and simple. Ignorance is only bliss to an extent. Then it just runs right into stupidity.
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Burst Cancel
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
It's an exploit, plain and simple. Ignorance is only bliss to an extent. Then it just runs right into stupidity.
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