Syncing and view of the average guildwars player
Darkobra
And then there's the downright divine...
DreamRunner
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
It's an exploit, plain and simple. Ignorance is only bliss to an extent. Then it just runs right into stupidity.
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YunSooJin
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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
An exploit of what? A feature? If this was a bug exploit, why hasn't it been fixed - or, at the very least, why hasn't Anet issued warnings or statements about it? As another poster above indicated, Anet is aware of the problem and apparently doesn't consider it an issue worthy of attention. Kind of different from duping and rep point bug exploitation, isn't it?
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I mean, if >I< think you're cheating, then you must be cheating, right? Right? Let's not even get into the discussion of what is 'lame', because who knows what different individuals would consider to be 'lame'.
Kakumei
Syncing is cheating, no doubt, but that doesn't mean it's not a hell of a lot more fun than vanilla play. Until Anet implements punishments for it, I'm going to keep doing it.
Malice Black
Morally corrupt lol I really don't care enough to impose my standards on anyone here.
I posted my view, having a view doesn't mean I care. Sync, don't sync, doesn't effect me either way. If I wanted glad points, I wouldn't farm newbs for them. I have standards you see...
Poor horse, somebody flogged him to death, shame on you!
I posted my view, having a view doesn't mean I care. Sync, don't sync, doesn't effect me either way. If I wanted glad points, I wouldn't farm newbs for them. I have standards you see...
Poor horse, somebody flogged him to death, shame on you!
Lady Lozza
TBH I don't have a problem with people syncing in holiday arenas. There is no real reward here for such wins, nothing that can't easily be obtained elsewhere - unless it gives gamer points(?), in which case I'd probably side wtih those who say it's an exploit and should possibly be fixed. Having said that holiday arenas being so popular it is very, very hard to get sync enter to work.
RA is another matter. I don't think it should be allowed and I would have hoped that Anet would have done something about it by now.
PvE missions (the whole two that there are), I've no problem with syncing.
RA is another matter. I don't think it should be allowed and I would have hoped that Anet would have done something about it by now.
PvE missions (the whole two that there are), I've no problem with syncing.
Darkobra
Duplicating was morally corrupt too. I mean imagine wanting loads of wealth in an online game. No exploit was involved in that either! It was game mechanics involved! Wanna go synch in RA with me? I mean there's no penalty for leaving and trying again. It's obviously acceptable if there's no fix or dishonour involved.
I know. Too easy. I am a cruel man picking off the weak and vulnerable. It makes me no better.
I know. Too easy. I am a cruel man picking off the weak and vulnerable. It makes me no better.
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza
TBH I don't have a problem with people syncing in holiday arenas. There is no real reward here for such wins, nothing that can't easily be obtained elsewhere - unless it gives gamer points(?), in which case I'd probably side wtih those who say it's an exploit and should possibly be fixed. Having said that holiday arenas being so popular it is very, very hard to get sync enter to work.
RA is another matter. I don't think it should be allowed and I would have hoped that Anet would have done something about it by now. PvE missions (the whole two that there are), I've no problem with syncing. |
Bryant Again
This situation seems very similar to having twinks in WoW. In both situations people say it "ruins other people's fun", but those who are for say "but anyone can do it".
DreamRunner
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
Duplicating was morally corrupt too. I mean imagine wanting loads of wealth in an online game. No exploit was involved in that either! It was game mechanics involved! Wanna go synch in RA with me? I mean there's no penalty for leaving and trying again. It's obviously acceptable if there's no fix or dishonour involved.
I know. Too easy. I am a cruel man picking off the weak and vulnerable. It makes me no better. |
Lady Lozza
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
7 gamer points per win.
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Yeah, wasn't sure. Don't really pay much attn to this title track. The issue with sync enter is holiday arenas is this: these games are fun to play with friends and can be annoying as hell if you end up in a group where you get called all sorts of nasty things by your "team mates". Playing with friends in arenas is (often) more fun than playing with randoms - hence why I prefer TA and HA over RA. However I've no doubt that a large proportion of players try to sync to earn easy victory and easy points (this is definately the case in RA). Yes anyone can do it - but it defeats the purpose of "randomness", which allows anyone to play at any time regardless of whether their friends or guildies are online.As some have already noted, because there is no team option, it makes it (holiday arenas) something of a dilema. I'm not into this particular title track myself, so sync entering does not bother me personally, but I can see the problem - and certainly when it comes to random arenas I think something should be done. I've a friend who RAs religiously and he can't stand ending up in a sync enter team only to have the rest quit because #4 didn't make it in.
darkknightkain
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Originally Posted by DreamRunner
Sync in RA doesn't even come close to the more extreme of duplicating. But I guess in your mentality, everything is black and white. I mean if sync RA and duplicating was in the same area, then I guess stealing a loaf of bread is the same as stealing the Federal Reserve Bank.
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Syncers and Leavers are directly and repeatedly ruining other people'e fun. For Duping, it just came and gone without doing any actual lasting effect.
IMO Anet should also add the dishonour status to Vizunah Square and Unwaking Waters too. The syncers and leavers there are also terrible.
YunSooJin
Worse than duping?
I'm speechless.
EDIT: I guess you must be the mental giant while ANET is a group of retards who can't do their job, seeing as how they prioritized punishing dupers wayyy more than sync joiners and leavers in RA..lol.
I'm speechless.
EDIT: I guess you must be the mental giant while ANET is a group of retards who can't do their job, seeing as how they prioritized punishing dupers wayyy more than sync joiners and leavers in RA..lol.
Zinger314
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
This situation seems very similar to having twinks in WoW. In both situations people say it "ruins other people's fun", but those who are for say "but anyone can do it".
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This argument is similar to the power of WoW BG Premades (which Blizzard actually intends and is not an exploit)...which everyone one can say is too infrequent to matter.
I've never seen synching in RA before...
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by DreamRunner
Sync in RA doesn't even come close to the more extreme of duplicating. But I guess in your mentality, everything is black and white. I mean if sync RA and duplicating was in the same area, then I guess stealing a loaf of bread is the same as stealing the Federal Reserve Bank.
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Abusing a bug regardless of what the bug is and saying "It's not my problem so it's not a bug"? There's black and white, and then there's just plain denial.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
Not even close. Any BG PvP in WoW below lv. 70 is irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
This argument is similar to the power of WoW BG Premades (which Blizzard actually intends and is not an exploit)...which everyone one can say is too infrequent to matter.
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
I've never seen synching in RA before...
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Originally Posted by YunSooJin
Worse than duping?
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DreamRunner
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
Stealing to live for another day, being caught and being fed in prison? Yeah.
Abusing a bug regardless of what the bug is and saying "It's not my problem so it's not a bug"? There's black and white, and then there's just plain denial. |
@darkknightkain I think you got what I intended to speak backwards.
Darkobra
Because fixes do take time. They needed a penalty that affected legitimate leavers and synchers without affecting people who actually just got a disconnect or powercut. There can never be such a fix so they tried to make some sort of balance/deterrent. If you have a better idea, you can email support and let them know. I'd do the same, but I actually can't think of one myself.
darkknightkain
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Originally Posted by YunSooJin
Worse than duping?
I'm speechless. EDIT: I guess you must be the mental giant while ANET is a group of retards who can't do their job, seeing as how they prioritized punishing dupers wayyy more than sync joiners and leavers in RA..lol. |
Duping to anet is not even significant enough to warrant bothering to undo its damage. People who received duped items not only got off scotch-free, they even get to keep whatever they bought/exchanged from those duped items!
While for leavers, they introduced the new dishonour points system and that is here to stay. People who ditch groups now gets dishonour points, and repeatedly doing so causes delays to slow down their reentering.
That's Anet's priority right there.
Thorondor Port
I disagree with alot of people here. I dont see it as cheating, heres why:
321 Spike.
Tell me, how is this different that 321 Join?
321 Spike.
Tell me, how is this different that 321 Join?
YunSooJin
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Originally Posted by darkknightkain
Who Anet prioritized punishing way more?
Duping to anet is not even significant enough to warrant bothering to undo its damage. People who received duped items not only got off scotch-free, they even get to keep whatever they bought/exchanged from those duped items! While for leavers, they introduced the new dishonour points system and that is here to stay. People who ditch groups now gets dishonour points, and repeatedly doing so causes delays to slow down their reentering. That's Anet's priority right there. |
Saphrium
syncing is cheating.
Kotetsu Rain
If the cheating peeps want to sync let them sync, it doesn't make any difference to me. I actually welcome syncers, if the challenge is higher then I'll just have to play better. I understand einterly that it's not a single person effort in those situations but... it's like a shadow prison sin in RA. Is it normally him or the ele that finishes of the monk?
Fril Estelin
One clear and obvious point that everyone agrees on: syncing is changing the nature of the game, transforming one team of RA into a TA team. Removing the random from RA. It's not playing the game the way it was meant to be.
And the obvious justification from syncers has been seen here: because it's "my" ("our" in the "me and my friends" sense) fun and nothing prevents me from doing it. Of course they'll disagree that it's cheating. Or else it'd ruin "their" fun and put them in front of the moral aspect of their decision (i.e. there are other people trying to have fun by playing the game the way it was meant to be played).
Oh and let's not overestimate what this is all about, whether it's worse or not than duping (it's once again moraly weak for syncers to hide behind the excuse "Anet is addressing leeching but not syncing, so I can do it because Anet does not care"). One problem at a time
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And the obvious justification from syncers has been seen here: because it's "my" ("our" in the "me and my friends" sense) fun and nothing prevents me from doing it. Of course they'll disagree that it's cheating. Or else it'd ruin "their" fun and put them in front of the moral aspect of their decision (i.e. there are other people trying to have fun by playing the game the way it was meant to be played).
Oh and let's not overestimate what this is all about, whether it's worse or not than duping (it's once again moraly weak for syncers to hide behind the excuse "Anet is addressing leeching but not syncing, so I can do it because Anet does not care"). One problem at a time
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strcpy
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
One clear and obvious point that everyone agrees on: syncing is changing the nature of the game, transforming one team of RA into a TA team. Removing the random from RA. It's not playing the game the way it was meant to be.
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If you want to play a team arena then there is the means to do so, use it. It's not like TA is hard to unlock and if you have a team that you can sync enter then you have a team to enter TA. Yes, I firmly understand that getting said titles is hard otherwise - but it is also generally easier to rob a bank of 100,000 dollars than to earn it yourself also, doesn't make it a good thing to do. There is nothing that physically keeps you from doing it so it must be OK. That line of logic doesn't hold anywhere else, no reason why it should here.
It shouldn't really get a perma ban - but it should result in fairly harsh measures. You know what would kill it? If instead of a ban Anet used a sliding progression of a regression to several of the PvP titles (what they are trying to cheat their way into). It would be amusing that if the third time caught doing it then all your PvP titles and rank are stripped - methinks there would be MUCH less of it going on and would be harsher than bans
PvP is in the sorry state it is now because of crap like this, more so than the complaints of skill balances and such. Both things contribute, but if you remove all the "fun" from the game then the rest is irrelevant, if the game is fun then you will still play given things like imperfect balance.
Fril Estelin
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It shouldn't really get a perma ban - but it should result in fairly harsh measures. You know what would kill it? If instead of a ban Anet used a sliding progression of a regression to several of the PvP titles (what they are trying to cheat their way into). It would be amusing that if the third time caught doing it then all your PvP titles and rank are stripped - methinks there would be MUCH less of it going on and would be harsher than bans
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IMO there's an extremely easy way to implement a quick fix: if there's enough player wanting to join games (i.e. more than 15? 20?) at a given time, simply add some random time delays to their "join battle" game. Voila! Syncing made very difficult, if not impossible. (if there's less than, say, 15 people wanting to join, it's almost pointless to add this overhead)
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). As was said in the thread on GW championship, there are good and bad apples in the PvP community. I'm just glad I could see the former.
upier
Me and my guildies used to sync Aspy and Jade. Either by typing 3,2,1, gogogoogogogogogogogogog in the guild chat or by doing the same thing over Teamspeak.
It's the absolutely most fun PvP thing - and there is no option to do it as a team. We didn't sync our builds other then the "oki, so you are going as monk? so then the 3 of us WON'T go as monks."-type. No special syncing of builds on the skill-level though. Well except for the - "Does everyone have ench removal?"
Did I ever consider it wrong?
Hell no! If 4 of us got together on the same team - that just meant that was the chance ONLY max 4 people COULD leech. And it also meant that we'd have insanely more fun - either if we win or lose. It's just more fun to go "Look at THAT dude and his skill-bar" then to explain all the stupid things people did over TS or typing them!
It's the absolutely most fun PvP thing - and there is no option to do it as a team. We didn't sync our builds other then the "oki, so you are going as monk? so then the 3 of us WON'T go as monks."-type. No special syncing of builds on the skill-level though. Well except for the - "Does everyone have ench removal?"
Did I ever consider it wrong?
Hell no! If 4 of us got together on the same team - that just meant that was the chance ONLY max 4 people COULD leech. And it also meant that we'd have insanely more fun - either if we win or lose. It's just more fun to go "Look at THAT dude and his skill-bar" then to explain all the stupid things people did over TS or typing them!
Avarre
Random Arena is random. You will be placed against teams that due to their builds are unstoppable. You will face people that can co-ordinate better and you will lose. Your own personal skill in RA is one of the least important factors.
There's a reason it's not considered proper competitive PvP. If you're looking for anything resembling a fair fight, go somewhere else. RA isn't meant to be fair.
This is a non-issue.
There's a reason it's not considered proper competitive PvP. If you're looking for anything resembling a fair fight, go somewhere else. RA isn't meant to be fair.
This is a non-issue.
Productivity
I sync, because I have the view of the average guildwars player that they fail at guild wars.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Productivity
I sync, because I have the view of the average guildwars player that they fail at guild wars.
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Redfeather1975
Part of being an animal is that whatever we want takes precedence over what is best for the whole. 
It sucks, but I doubt it'll change....
Until we become robots....or ant people.
It sucks, but I doubt it'll change....
Until we become robots....or ant people.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
I think the average Guru user is like a lemming, if one falls the others follow..
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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
Part of being an animal is that whatever we want takes precedence over what is best for the whole.
It sucks, but I doubt it'll change.... Until we become robots....or ant people. |
It does not suck but I doubt everyone will get it...
Until we become human again!
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{system.out.println("your base are belong to us!");}raise your_computer_crashed_! = new Exception();
Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate!
strcpy
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
Wow, you mean remove the titles and ranls permanently? Seems harsh.
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Simply put anyones who gains their "fun" from taking it away from others should be highly discouraged to play.
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TBH I had fun and some games really made me want to do more PvP (unlock TA for example ). As was said in the thread on GW championship, there are good and bad apples in the PvP community. I'm just glad I could see the former.
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Onarik Amrak
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Originally Posted by Saphrium
syncing is cheating.
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When I asked them why they didn't spawn camp they said, "Spawn camping is dishonorable."
Oh the irony.
rhuber
It's a holiday event and people go to have fun, if XoO or any other guild decides that their method of fun is to try to sync up a team, good for them.
Personally I think the rewards for these events in Gamer points or Halloween items is too pathetic to bother wasting time on. The amount of time spent in the event for the piddly reward is not worth it in it's present form.
Personally I think the rewards for these events in Gamer points or Halloween items is too pathetic to bother wasting time on. The amount of time spent in the event for the piddly reward is not worth it in it's present form.
Shadowmoon
Now that I think about it, it just title farming. The FFF and death leveling in pre are both exploits for titles, but because nothing is being done it is exceptable. The afk lightbringer farm was a exploit because something was done. It seem that this is a known for a long time, and that nothing is being done mean its a legit pratice.
Solution:, add a TA version of event so people can farm these point properly.
Solution:, add a TA version of event so people can farm these point properly.
Redfeather1975
Fril Estelin made me head splode.
I got what I posted off a cereal box. I don't even know what it means.
Edit: The cereal was Cinammon Cynic-i-os.
Now with 80% more paranoid delusions. Deliciousness.
I got what I posted off a cereal box. I don't even know what it means.
Edit: The cereal was Cinammon Cynic-i-os.
Now with 80% more paranoid delusions. Deliciousness.
Surena
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Originally Posted by Avarre
Random Arena is random. You will be placed against teams that due to their builds are unstoppable. You will face people that can co-ordinate better and you will lose. Your own personal skill in RA is one of the least important factors.
There's a reason it's not considered proper competitive PvP. If you're looking for anything resembling a fair fight, go somewhere else. RA isn't meant to be fair. This is a non-issue. |
BlackSephir
Syncing is for bad players. Period.
Regular team vs random team- they think if they'll win that they're good? Hah. Pathetic creatures.
Regular team vs random team- they think if they'll win that they're good? Hah. Pathetic creatures.
wilson
Speaking for RA only (I don't play other "solo" arenas), I don't mind synching.
It does not take the random away, because there is still 6 other players. 16 skills don't make much of a difference if the other 16 skills on your team are crap. Even good players cannot win against a highly imbalanced team that brings, for example, a ton of damage. 2 players will not make a difference there.
Pretty much all you can achieve with synching is making the games that you would win anyway more easy.
It does not take the random away, because there is still 6 other players. 16 skills don't make much of a difference if the other 16 skills on your team are crap. Even good players cannot win against a highly imbalanced team that brings, for example, a ton of damage. 2 players will not make a difference there.
Pretty much all you can achieve with synching is making the games that you would win anyway more easy.