Why do so many hate Factions?

viens87

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Riga

SCAR

Me/

27 Nov 2007 at 10:43 - 41

calm down , calm down

i love GW .. all things r nice ..

my first char is necro and its born in tyria .. i was playing 3 month with him , u know .. yea i have nice MM , but when i see to others Golem Flesh , i say to myself .. i need factions !! when i see nice weapon like Gials staff , i say to myself .. i need factions

yea factions is short, but its harder then prophecies, much harder , prophecies ir long if u do all story line not runing from beacons to droks ..
Elona ? elona its boring 2 do aal misions again and again .. but i like it 2 because there is heros ..
u know all camps ar similar , no factions no nice weapons , no elona no heros , no prophecies no GW feeling .. i love GW

its my favorit game forever ..

1. prophecies is feeling of guildwars + skill rewards + i love misions in prophecies
2. factions is short if u do only one way .. like kurziks or luxons .. best weapons in game , very nice skills like a Flesh Golem, new chars Rt and Assasin ( someone say assasin suck) u know without his shadow skills (Sadow Form) u cant easy run, u cant easy farm..
3. NF is nice but only wery boring game play , i hate do all NF again and again with others chars , good thing hero + inscription for weapons .. new skills ( wurms ) , new chars , paragon and dervish .. no dervish as secondary no runing all around GW !!

)

and again I love GW , all game are very good !!

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

27 Nov 2007 at 15:38 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Keithark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Be Aggressive B E Aggressive [AGRO]

E/Me

27 Nov 2007 at 19:04 - 43

Factions was 2nd best of the 4...here they are in order of replayability:

Nightfall
Factions
GW:EN
Prophecies -- WAY too long and boring and huge place to run around but nothing to do or gain from doing it ... a-net should add some more greens or other weps there to make it worthwhile now that we have tomes there is no reason to go there

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

27 Nov 2007 at 21:00 - 44

Factions = worst of the group

Timed Bonus
Primary character is a in and out soft attacker and the main antagonists completely slay melee with their explosion.
10k alliance quests
Jade Quarry/Fort Aspenwood (even when it was new they were subpar at best)
AB while being a major positive to the game, the delay to enter is just ridiculous
16 man missions where you end up with n00bsauce on the other side with their met shower warriors and no monks.
Mazelike areas, including kaineng center making it difficult to traverse.

PS Shiro's blade used to be q 15, the 13 is a major improvement.

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

27 Nov 2007 at 22:41 - 45

You have to love factions. I have played through it many times and enjoyed it every time. Where else can you smack around Puss balls that wield hammers, and explode. Not to mention the falling ceiling in the arborstone mission. The feeling you got on your first attempt. Mine was- What the “F” just interrupted me? Come on I can’t get meteor shower off!!!!!!!!!! Come on man quit it!!!!!! man I can’t rez!!!!!!!!!!! Heal me monk !!!!!!!!! Come on man what the heck I am starting to lose my team. After it was over I thought This is uber hard man what the F how am I going to finish this game. Of course now it is easy but as you progress in the world of GW your skills at playing do as well. I almost forgot remember the first time you played the two team missions. Where they not Wow this is kinda cool. The initial coolness feeling does fade rather quickly but for that first time it was pretty LEET

V A R D A R

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

Michigan

The Saint Of War

27 Nov 2007 at 22:57 - 46

I think it matters what campain you start out in. I started out in nightfall then went to factions and I didn't like faction because it was too short so therefore I liked nightfall better.

X El Queso Grande X

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

Arizona

Passionate Kiss of the Gods {KISS}

Rt/

28 Nov 2007 at 01:54 - 47

Well, from what it seems like, Factions was an attempt by Anet to focus more on the PvP side. Traditional PvE players probably took the fall in that regard.

Factions always seemed very gloomy to me, and didn't give me the same feeling that nf and proph did. I dunno. That's just my 2 cents though.

Bride of the Atom

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

28 Nov 2007 at 03:39 - 48

Factions is by far my least favorite. One of the things that has always bothered me is the fact that every town and explorable area seems to be blocked off until you meet a bunch of prerequisites to open them up. I'm particularly annoyed by this at the moment because yesterday I decided that I might as well get a black Moa chick, mostly to just explore (I've never done Sorrow's Furnace) and take a break from missions + EoTN dungeons, which is all I've been doing lately. However! After spending all my time playing the other three games I completely forgot that Factions blocks all the entrances to everything. So I found out (after obtaining the egg, incubator, and most of the stuff to put in the incubator) that my Luxon character needs to farm an assload of Kurzick faction and then do a mission in order to even access the Mourning Veil Falls explorable area. I can understand not allowing players to access some things right away, like elite areas or the stuff at the end of Nightfall, but with Factions why did they decide to purposely keep people from freely exploring the regular map?! (And if previous experiences with Factions are any indication, when I finally get to the Eternal Grove mission the entire outpost will be deserted except for one ranger whose primary damage comes from meteor shower, or something.)

Also, the city/slum area is the largest, ugliest, most frustratingly maze-like area in Guild Wars, and 90% of the quests involve nothing but running back and forth from one end to another. Yuck. I totally agree with the above poster about how the game is too gloomy. By the way, I'm so glad that a thread exists for me to (virtually!) yell about this. Thanks.

Solo_uw_ftw

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Gods Wanking Amongst Your [MOM]

28 Nov 2007 at 04:00 - 49

Factions has: AB, some skills... maybe include Rt...

That's all, everything else in it sucks.

EDIT: Prophecies last? Are you kidding me.. It's by far the best one.

wetsparks

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

28 Nov 2007 at 06:44 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

The storyline was shit. The campaign is too short. The city is by far the worst place in Guild Wars. The missions were bad. The timed-mission system was horrible. The way you teamed up with another team in Vizunah and Unwaking was bad. You pretty much had to sync or keep going in until you got henchies to guarantee a win.

I can go on, but I think you all get it. You forgot the horrendous voice acting. But saying that there are plenty of good things in Factions. Good elites, Aspenwood, AB, female monk and mesmer models, kurzick elite armors are pretty good. I loved noobie island and kurzick forests. the jade sea is pretty good also, but i prefer the forest. For all the bad things about Factions I still mark it as second in my GW list.
1. Prophecies - good story, free skills, very different environments
2. Factions - already mentioned
3. EotN - back to Tyria, kill lots of Charr, dungeons, good weapon skins and some good armors
4. Nightfall - Environments were all the same which was you could forgive but on the second, third, fourth etc time through..... The monsters that would split and become invicible for a small amount of time was as stupid as exploiding enemies. Some misions where extremely anoying.

DreamRunner

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

28 Nov 2007 at 07:31 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by thig

Why I dislike factions:

Crappy story line compared to Prophecies.
Forced PvP in PvE content.
Removal of skills as quest rewards.
Quests gives way to much xp, making it to easy to lvl up.
Connecting PvE skills to a PvP title just made it even worse.

These things makes Factions the worst of the 3 chapters.

Nightfall was a great improvement compared to Factions, but it will still only be second on my list, when comparing the 3 chapters. Forced PvP? You don't have to do a single type of PvP in Factions at all. Factions had many PvP elements to it, yes but forced PvP? Whatever suits your own little dreamworld.

Not everyone likes to do a slow storyline, Factions did the attribute quests early which was a huge plus and the storyline is subjective on either people like it or not.

I think a lot of people are easily over exaggerating on how "bad" Factions is, its actually extremely good for many different reason which the typical PvE player likes. Anet tried to push PvE mix with PvP and it seem's that a lot of people dislike it for whatever reason, however what really gets me is that people say the art in Factions is bad, it is not. Its actually extremely good and It seems that people just dislike the city art.

nkaw

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2007

Fukuoka, Japan

Rt/

28 Nov 2007 at 08:29 - 52

Dislike:

Too dark and gloomy.
Some henchies are really annoying and rude, if you spend time reading what they actually say

Too much Afflicted fighting is boring.
Quests in Kaineng area are just too monotonous.
Questionable and unclear intention of Shiro which apparently gets revealed in NF.

Like:

Master Togo.
Ritualist.

HDuarte

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

Shadow Hunters Of Light [SHOL]

Mo/

28 Nov 2007 at 10:29 - 53

To be honest, i love Factions.

Imho, Prophecies == Factions > Nightfall > GWEN, though i like them all very much.

I love the fast pace that factions has, which implies maximum efficiency, in fact, it's a great training ground for monks due to the constant spikes. It is where I have create my main (6M exp points and still going)
caracter, a monk, and Kaineng City is the place to learn how to play one (it's like a crash course).
Plus i love the contrast you have to endure (Shing Jea -> Kaineng City ->Echovald Forest/Jade Sea).

Everyone is entitle to their opinion, but hey!!, you are not alone

Cheers

thig

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

S??by, Denmark

A Few Good Men

Mo/

28 Nov 2007 at 11:00 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Forced PvP? You don't have to do a single type of PvP in Factions at all. Factions had many PvP elements to it, yes but forced PvP? Whatever suits your own little dreamworld In order to gain faction points you had to do PvP. Yes it is possible to gain small amount of faction by doing PvE but if you really wanted to collect points for the amber and jade, you had to do PvP. And now with the PvE skills to be effective you need to PvP even more.

DDeathblade

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

Lahti, Finland

28 Nov 2007 at 13:42 - 55

+ and - of Factions.

+ It's so damn cool

feel
+ fast level up for professional players who hate slow gain
+ No stupid bonus missions, time matters.
+ Nice missions
+ Beautiful*

- Damn annoying start
- Kaineng city is too large and 40% is unused terrirory
- Too fast level gain is bad for newbies
- New players may hate that when they go to mainland at lv. 14 first they see are lv. 24 afflicted and lv. 20 Am Fah and those silly purple knights.
- Master Togo dies instead of Mhenlo (

)
- Am Fah ninja assaults. I got bored of ambushes in Old Ascalon devourers already.

I love Factions, it's definately my favourite campaign

* Shiverpeaks are MOST beautiful place in GW

Keithark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Be Aggressive B E Aggressive [AGRO]

E/Me

28 Nov 2007 at 14:34 - 56

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Originally Posted by Painbringer

Shadow Spirit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago

your cat eats dog food [pup]

N/E

28 Nov 2007 at 15:39 - 57

I <3 Factions.

It is my favorite GW campaign. I like the dark and gloomy stuff. The city slums are awesome and uniqe in GW. I really like all of the Asian inspired art in the game as well.

I have 10 characters and have no desire to complete Prophecies again, but I always find myself taking a new character through Factions. I just have a lot of fun playing it.

DreamRunner

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

28 Nov 2007 at 19:15 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by thig

In order to gain faction points you had to do PvP. Yes it is possible to gain small amount of faction by doing PvE but if you really wanted to collect points for the amber and jade, you had to do PvP. And now with the PvE skills to be effective you need to PvP even more. You only "need" to get 10k faction which can be done by quests. You don't actually need to get amber or jade, you can also actually buy them at the trader which they are pretty cheap.

The PvP but its hard to say that AB\Fort Aspenwood is PvP is just an alternative way on getting jade or amber. The skills are just there for the PvE community to enjoy, really... you don't "need" the skills at all and heaven forbid that anet tries to make PvE even easier.

The point is that there is no "forced" PvP which a lot of people make it out to be and that people like yourself are just forcing yourself to do the PvP, because you want something that is pretty insignificant in the first place.

Jaythen Tyradel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

30 Nov 2007 at 19:27 - 59

I don't HATE factions, but there are elements that I did not like.

The whole get 10k faction to continue.

The timed missions. I don't mind timers for SOME missions, but for many of these missions the timer amount seems crazy IMO.

Just didn't grab me like Prophecies did.

bpphantom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Canukistan

The Eyes of Ashtabula [Eyes]

30 Nov 2007 at 20:17 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bride of the Atom

... every town and explorable area seems to be blocked off until you meet a bunch of prerequisites to open them up. I'm particularly annoyed by this at the moment because yesterday I decided that I might as well get a black Moa chick, mostly to just explore (I've never done Sorrow's Furnace) and take a break from missions + EoTN dungeons, which is all I've been doing lately. However! After spending all my time playing the other three games I completely forgot that Factions blocks all the entrances to everything. So I found out (after obtaining the egg, incubator, and most of the stuff to put in the incubator) that my Luxon character needs to farm an assload of Kurzick faction and then do a mission in order to even access the Mourning Veil Falls explorable area ...
Also, the city/slum area is the largest, ugliest, most frustratingly maze-like area in Guild Wars, and 90% of the quests involve nothing but running back and forth from one end to another. QFT.

Also, I hate the models. Really. I cannot stand the looks of the characters.

Proph > NF > GWEN > Fac.

Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary. Not to be taken internally.

Mark Nevermiss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

30 Nov 2007 at 20:37 - 61

Factions has the best looking female monks and necromancers, and of course sins and ritualists

Factions has the most balanced monster groups.
Some of the best looking armour sets
Kaineng City seasy to navigate once you get used to it.
You dont run into a billion spider pop up groups or 8x mesmer monster groups spamming cry of frustration
You dont need to wait till midway thru the game to get the balance of your attribute points.
In short I like Factions!

Martin Firestorm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Louisiana

E/Me

30 Nov 2007 at 20:49 - 62

Before it came out and everyone was saying what sort of envoronment they wwere hoping factions would have, a city was one of ther most requested ones. Then we got it, and almost total griping ever since because its like...a real city, with a lot of congestion, routes that don't always make much sense, and ppl everywhere (some not very nice--I'm looking at you jade guys).

I love factions. Iffy on it at first becuase it was a pain to find your way around, but once I learned the routes I came to love it. Some of the best alltime missions for my money, like vizunah, napui, and boreas seabed, a couple of real solid new professions, and a better story than prophecies.

Riotgear

has 3 pips of HP regen.

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Objective Is More [Cash]

30 Nov 2007 at 22:02 - 63

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

01 Dec 2007 at 00:46 - 64

High expectations....

After factions people learned not to expect anything special.

DreamRunner

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

01 Dec 2007 at 00:52 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riotgear

- The new skills were utter crap unless you were a monk

Does that about cover it? Huh?

Dragon slash, sun and moon slash, enraged smash, MM's with animate flesh golem, BHA ranger, RI soulbarbs, discord, expell hexes.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

01 Dec 2007 at 01:33 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Huh?

Dragon slash, sun and moon slash, enraged smash, MM's with animate flesh golem, BHA ranger, RI soulbarbs, discord, expell hexes. [skill]Energy Boon[/skill] [skill]Gust[/skill]

Targuil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Tampere, Finland

Keep Dreaming [Yawn]

01 Dec 2007 at 01:59 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniclasm

[skill]Energy Boon[/skill] [skill]Gust[/skill] omg you don't know what you are talking about. [skill]Energy Boon[/skill] is best e-management ever. Even shock hench has that.

/sarcasm

king of killers

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

Knights Of Silver Chalice [KSC]

01 Dec 2007 at 05:46 - 68

-well i thought factions and prof were great.. i have gwen just havent strated it yet
i love the ab feature
i love the way it goes from city to beutiful landmass
i liked the quik progression seeing as how im a pvp player i dont have to waste much time getting all of factions to help firends\
the skills are useful!!! (example) a commonly used spell... flesh golem
-two things i hate about factions
kaineng center and just the whole city scene period
afflicted are through the whole thing... lame!

i hated nightfall desert...desert...desert...desert hours and hours makes me sleepy but para and derv are figgin awsome

my opinion
prof>factions>nightfall> GWEN?? havent played yet but i own it

Vulkanyaz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

01 Dec 2007 at 06:57 - 69

I think Factions was great, my complaints however:

- City area did seem to take a bit too long / not enough variety in the city.

- 10k faction to advance in the storyline I don't mind too much.. but it does get annoying and tiresome.

- Storyline isn't as "epic" as the others. As someone said earlier in the thread, I only really enjoyed the storyline from Unwaking Waters onwards.

杀TanK杀

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

06 Dec 2007 at 04:05 - 70

The befriending quests are a real pain, but then again so are the reach level 12 and such quests in nightfall.

I liked factions, but I found i lagged like madness near afflicted and shiro'ken, but yes, some skills are really cool... I didn't like assassin or rit - but I absolutely love the look of my factions born monk

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

21 Dec 2007 at 07:13 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Nevermiss

Factions has the best looking female monks and necromancers Factions has the best-looking female everything. I'm going to be pissed if you can't make Canthan-looking characters in GW2...

fir

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

In my chair

Wooting The Woot For The Woot

21 Dec 2007 at 10:41 - 72

Prop is the best gw-game it has the best story-line etc ..
why I dont like factions is:: its so easy and simpel to fibisch each char I had in factions finisched it in like 4-5 hours its to easy and to most quest are the same and kinda boring Plus some of the skills are the same as they from prop only with another name :S

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

22 Dec 2007 at 01:52 - 73

The Voice Acting

Johnny Madhouse

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

SKOB

22 Dec 2007 at 03:05 - 74

Each chapter's story is entirely different from the others, and I like them that way. Prophecies is a slogfest that puts you in the special seat the whole way through (SAVE US, CHOSEN ONE), Cantha is a story that puts you in the position of a student getting wiser, and Elona's was just an awesome story of you as a grunt slowly gaining rank and trust with the Sunspears.

This is a ridiculous argument. None of the campaigns are the same, they all put you in different roles that some people enjoy and some people don't.

Different strokes for different folks.

Cirian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

European Union

The Amazon Basin

22 Dec 2007 at 13:37 - 75

I love a lot about factions, but I wish more effort had been put into Shiro's background, character development and VOICE ACTOR!!!

Ralena~

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

E/A

22 Dec 2007 at 14:26 - 76

Like others have said, the 10k faction to advance is just annoying and the voice acting is argh.

Timed mission bonuses although only a problem in HM, are fail and keeps you from having fun if you are rushing.

Mazelike areas that give cartographers headaches caused by multiple levels.

Factions is like a book you don't want to read but you decide to finish anyway, just to get the gold helmet and 3 swords on all the missions.

Dervish Kid

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Florida

22 Dec 2007 at 16:56 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riotgear

- It was really short
- It was really easy
- The story is ridiculous
- Kaineng City is about as repetitive as it gets
- Arborstone is ridiculous
- Danika zu Heltzer has the worst voice actor EVER
- The new skills were utter crap unless you were a monk

Does that about cover it? All the games are easy.
I dun really care for the story just all about my platinum and titles
K.C. dont really matter..try Kamadam or L.A.
Aborstone is easy just use heroes.
Who cares about Danika's voice..Cmon now who would really wanna buy a game and start analyzing voices..loser
The new skills...Dun rly care neither..Just use whats there..Thats why you try different builds.

Abe Grey

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

Ohio

followers of the almighty

22 Dec 2007 at 17:18 - 78

The city and undercity are to confusing to try and get around in. Maybe road signs.

Lourens

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

22 Dec 2007 at 18:38 - 79

I actually like factions it has a cool storyline and the landscapes are very nice

KZaske

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Boise Idaho

Druids Of Old (DOO)

R/Mo

22 Dec 2007 at 20:13 - 80

Addressing the original question, “Why do so many hate Factions?” Factions is too fast. Yes the scenery is gorgeous the music is awesome as is almost everything else about this chapter. I have only two dislikes about it; no skill quests and the whole time it takes to get a character to max level is too short. I will never start a character I am going to keep in factions simply because there is not enough time to learn the details of the skills and how they work.
That said, the one thing that cured my dislike of Factions is (drum role please); Eye of the North. Compared to GWEN, Factions is flawless. Even if there is that idiotic Kurz vs Lux going on.
Tyria > Cantha > Nightfall > GWEN.