Slaver's Exile (and DoA) Nonsense

I play a Dervish and recently attempted to join a team for Slaver's Exile, deciding to PUG it. I don't know what it is, but people started mocking me for wanting to join a group with a Dervish.

I had a similar experiance with DoA a few weeks back and I'm starting to get really annoyed with this narrow requisite people have. They read a walkthrough like they would the Bible and blindly follow it.

I'm sure there are a few people out there that have gone through a similar experience with their Assassins, Ritualist, Paragon or Mesmers, these seem to be the proffesions that get no benefit of a doubt when PUG'n these "elite" areas of the game.

It's unfair and i just want to shed some light on the subject. Please, discuss.

Its simple really, most PUG's suck and have little to no understanding of how classes outside the trinity work. Don't worry about it, either play with guildies or just try and find a couple of like minded people in the outpost and fill up with heroes, you should have little difficulty completing slavers that way.

There's a quick way to do it and a fun way to do it. And for some people, it's fun to do it quick. Somewhat hypocritical to criticize other people's playing styles, while moaning about their dislike of yours.

The quickest methods, (at least for the Canthan elite missions), are generally the most streamlined and "cookie cutter." Or Ursan.

PARAGONS FTW!

Paragons are overpowered and if you think there not then you need to get a clue. Honestly I dont even have melle people in my party in PUGS or Hench/Hero teams but thats personal preference, no point in bashing PUGS its been done over and over and over and over and over(x100000) just get on with it.

It's because Dervs are horribly imba in pve and people don't want Slaver's to be turned into a playground for scrubs.

Dervs are awesome. If you understand and know how to use them. Same with any other class in the game for that matter. People hate what they dont understand.

I'm not moaning about play style...I'm highlighting the fact that people are so narrow minded about changing teams up because it's not written in a walkthrough.

If only that were the case, but the truth is the majority of people find quick to be fun because they blindly ignore any other way.

The trinity IS a play style to some. Heh it's how I beat THK hardmode. In many people's case, they like it best. Narrow minded of them not to at least experience other methods? yes. Wrong? No.

Blindly ignore every other way? I tried the deep once with 3 monks 2 nukers 3 sword warriors, a mm, a TNTF para, a VERY skilled mesmer friend, and a choking gas ranger. It died fast.

Yes, but typically Trinity groups are not very fast tbh.

Actually there has been an excellent guide written explain why non trinity groups are mostly superior to the trinity http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10194416
it's just that a lot of people are so attached to the way the game used to work and refuse to leave their trinity cocoon. Don't let these people drag you down to their level of playing, find a guild or even just a couple of friends who are actually good players instead.

most pugs forming for the slaver follow this strategy.

A dude go to tank
some other dude nuke from a safe distance.
some monk dude heal the tank dude.

its definitly a boring strategy but it work.

The only problem is a dervish dont fit well with this. if you really want to join in a pug then go to cap obsidian flesh and do the tank.
I completed hardmode ducan with a devish tank so it work.

If you dont what to change your build, well, you cant complain of other people narrow mind and the refuse yourself to change.

And there is always the hero/hencie combo. beat most of exile with it. They never complained me playing thumper instead of barrage, me not taking frozen soil, aggroing 2 group etc etc. (basicly i tabspaced my way through).

I'm willing to make any changes and have infact built an Obs Derv, still to be mocked just because I'm a Derv...makes me think of the 300hr+ I've put into my main character (the Derv) and sob. lol.

Anyway, I can see that I'm not the only one irate with Walkthrough Worms.

I would recommend not using Obsidian tank, its a bad build on any profession. Don't let other's dictate that you should use a bad build just because THEY suck, find a better group and get the job done a lot faster.

I run my ranger there, as a tank sometimes even, in pugs.... the problem is one incompetent person controlled by fear (they are the ones loudly dissing others builds) will usually convince a pug to not take someone. The rest of the party will give into an idiot as they just wanna get it over with.
Persistence will win out, just learn the cookie cutter build for derv tank, learn the dungeons and then start experimenting.
If you don't have folks (alliance or friends or guildies) who wanna go with you, its pugs, and all their problems.

The problems with the elite areas is that Anet fails at game balance. The only way to kill things in hardmode now (since they have infinite energy) is to nuke the hell out of them in one huge damage spike. Otherwise, they just mop up all the damage for free.

haa i hate those always saying where to place ... if i listen to them i have only one role keepins frozen soil ...
and yes , tanking can be fun sometimes (with stone striker)

Where the hell are you playing? I have not found that at all.

well i tried to change goa before gwen came out and it worked for alittle while. tili left becuz of gwen being released.

only toon i ever played for 2 years was a ranger. gettinginto a group in goa was hard (other then famine for 2 man, then trapper for 5 man or solo trappign veil) all this was boring i wanted to beat malyx.

in order to do this i had to beat all4zones, so i found a group willinf to take me as a bip , as time went on i stared to get in groups more and more. pople liked having a ranger as a bip (there plus to having a necro and- to having a necro. samthing with a ranger) then we had to new floud of pope come into goa saying ranger cant bip go trap!!!

once agin i i had to deal , at this time warriors and dervs and eles where starting to tank (warriors where worse so many newbs as warriors) and i was tired of bipping. did it to long

so i ast down and made a build so i could tank as a ranger. and it was stored away for about 1 week. then someon old goa buddieswanted to do a quad run. but all they needed wasa tank and none wanted to tank .

joking around they said ranger your taning come to goa ad1!! hearing that all i said was i have the build and armor to do that . they all laugh then said wait this is ranger we talking about.

got into group did a quad in hm in 5 hours 24 min back then that was great time!! at the time this being my frist run.

then i worked on helping others being able to get into groups and beat goa mesmers rits paragon and etc,,,

i came up with a 6 man build that beat every zone leaving room for 2 extra spots and i did not mean them beingin group and doing nothing . extra def and damge makes things faster. helped rits and alot of paragons . mesmer alot every group of mine used one!!

so word of advise i fyou good enough and take time and try you can get anything down and not have to be what every one else is doing

Well, if you are the tank (dervish, warrior, ranger, ele, para), then there are some specific skills that are absolutely critical for doing elite missions. For example, if you don't have Obsidian Flesh variant build, expect an immediate kick - no questions asked!

In addition, if you have NEVER done this before and also you do not communicate well either on Vent/TS or on screen, then it is YOUR fault for failing the whole team. People's preference for tanks go as follows:

1. Take an experienced guildie for tank.
2. Take an experienced pug for tank
3. Take an inexperienced guildie for tank (who listens and has the build right).
4. Take an inexperienced pug for tank (who listens and has the build right).
5. Never take an inexperienced pug for tank (who neither listens and is arrogant about his build which btw won't last 5 seconds under elite mission's aggro).

Experienced means having done that particular elite mish several times.

Now, ask yourself, where do YOU fit?

If you are at positions 4 or 5, it is time to join a good guild that does elite missions and who actually take the pleasure to teach newbie tanks the process of elite tanking.

Care to enlighten me something other than Obsidian Flesh for tank? This excludes spell breaker aid from monks.

Tanking=fail. Visit the warrior forum to find out why.

heh???


Visit war forum?

Well if you are not referring to a warrior tank, then check the appropriate sub forum for whatever you are using. The bottom line is tanking suck's(especially OF tank, its a terrible build).Whatever you use as a frontliner it should be dealing dmg as a priority not loading up on useless defence skill's, it's really not difficult for monk's to keep the frontline standing. A frontliner who deals dmg is an asset to the team, a frontliner who does nothing but absorb damage is a waste of a party slot.

Any hardmode dungeon. Hardmode slaver's is the best example. The touchers will NEVER run out of energy, as they will continuously bite you. Also, kill yourself at a group with a MM, get him to 10 minions, and watch as thier monk endlessly spams spirit bond on the minions.

Granted, any location outside of EotN on hardmode is a joke, aside from DoA perhaps. They are just groups of damage dealers. In EotN, there are monks, which end up breaking everything because unless you can spike, they just mop up pressure no problem with thier endless pool of energy. Charr are a minor example of this, but it can best be seen from the summit dwarves i mentioned above. Any monk other than those two really dont pack the right bar to endlessly spam skills, so they don't present the same problem.

you dont need spikes to kill monk groups... there are sooo many ways to drop them. my favorite currently is technobabble, an asura skill that ANYONE can use (though the energy cost makes it better for casters). AOE daze destroys any back line. esp for me at r10 asura... it makes breaking a back line pathetically easy. a domination mesmer, or a BHA ranger, etc... there are so many ways to shutdown a backline w.o 6 eles spiking a target

Yeah granted, the touvhers are irritating though hardly unbeatable.

Well first of it's not terribly difficult to stay alive vs summit group's. but if it really is sucha problem why not steal his minion's or turn them into a dmg source(holy spear, banishing strike come to mind).

Personally i would like all ai groups to have decent monk', it makes teh game more challenging. Summit group's in slavers are probably abut the best example you are going to find becasue their skill bars are actuall quite good(as opposed to most mobs), but they can be taken to peice's by any balanced group faster than "trinity" groups. I love playing in slavers for this reason.

QFT.
Their are multiple ways to take these groups's down, AOE interupts, Aoe daze, AoE degen combined with consistent dmg, enchantment hate- all viable counters to summit group's. In my experience the key is the defender, once he drops the rest of the group will not be far behind.

10/10
gj ("\(o.o)/")

Well, this is the only part of the game I've ever had a problem with. They stand against hexpressure like its nothing (modded Sab's build). I should really grab a clip to show you.

Also, I was using the touchers and the MM/monk as an example for infinite energy, incase noone believes me. Neither are really combat intensive.

Anyone who can beat Vloxxen with hexpressure gets my kudos. It's where I was finally stopped running my hexpressure. Stupid dwarves...

its because the pugs know nothing about other professions
i personally use a ranger,used to get a group as splint barrage but now they dont even use it.
if im lucky i get to tank and sit there while duncan gets owned.

A warrior build that doesn't suck and a team that doesn't suck

That is all that can be said

You are being mocked by narrow-minded people who are likely not to be any smarter or more skilled at the game than you are.

If they don't know how to work with a Dervish, you're better off not being in that party. Cos even if they agreed to go, the inevitable will happen, and guess who will get the blame...

k, well im to lazy to read through all the comments so ignore this if it has already been said.

The only way you'll get into a pug is if you run a tanking build, or do it with guildies/friends.

Well, to defend a little the pugs there are also dervish who dont know to play dervish.

One time i joined in a pug where with a dervish tank for a hardmode.

When the monk realized he was using Vow of silence they leaved.
(for who dont know Vow of silence make dervish immune to spells. Allied monk too.)

I was pretty sure it was doomed from the start but im feel a bid sad to not have seen the epic failing of the tank.

the funny thing is he was keeping saying "wtf you dont have to heal me i have self healing +10 regen wtf"

yay for u! i h8 to see annoying HH tanks thinking they are the business, and then as soon as they see something that hits more than 20 dmg they start crying about how ur a bad monk OF tanks too...u may need some sort of protection but ur main priorty is dmg. i went with a tank with lots of dmg on selvetarm, worked fine provided there wasnt some stupid aggro. prot spirit + bonder hooray. personnally i have no problem with any class, its the person behind it i'm worried about. i want to beat ppls heads in when i see a monk using nothing but mending and heal party. they give us a bad name!

I would like to see a decent tank in HM duncan without Obsidian flesh, the pure number of hexes and damage spells will destroy you. Seriously obs flesh is the best way to go here you successfully eliminate 60% of the damage you would normally take and couple that with stoneflesh and doylak and you can take a ton of damage.

Ive seen many people trying other builds to tank including ursan force and VoS but they just do not compete (especially VoS= no healing from monks).

Also to the Frontliner is suppose to deal the damage is not true because the fastest way to kill in Duncan HM is to Mass AoE, so as to spread the healing the enemy monk has to do. Warriors are not the best at mass AoE especially with all the high armor those dwarves have. Also, if Tanks are suppose to take and deal a lot of damage then they are way to powerful. Elementalists are soft bodied and deal damage, tanks are hard bodied and take damage. Just look at there armor and you can easily see this.

This makes me so sad to read.

NOTE: This reflects my experience with Slaver's Exile. My DOA experience is rather limited.

As a person who took a Rit primary through EotN I feel your pain. I've found that most of the Slaver's groups don't want anything to do with classes outside the Holy Trinity of Warrior, Elementalist and Monk.

I've occasionally gotten the enlightened group that will take me along as a 3rd healer. In fact, the last run I did with a group people were very pleased w/ my 188 pt heals along with 120pt and 90pt group heals from Life and Kaoli.

However, that was a rare group. You could spend hours trying to get into a "template" group. My advice is don't try. Go ahead and spam for a group of "unwanted" classes. I'm more than sure that there are plenty of assassins, dervs, paragons, ritualists and mesmers out there that would love to go with a PUG. I've found that hero/hench monks are more than adequate at keeping people alive as long as the team isn't stupid (and some thoughtful flagging is used).

You can also go and create a H/H team to go do the dungeons yourself with a team that's tailored to your build. I've successfully H/H'd all the Slaver's dungeons. The only one that gave me any trouble was Forgewight and after a lot of trial and error I found a H/H build that can do that dungeon. Just bear in mind that you'll never be as fast as a full team of human beings. A H/H team needs careful flagging and control to be effective.

Good luck!

what i don't understand about party's for Slavers Exile is why players don't just allow an assassin or dervish in the group to stay with the casters and attack foes that break through the warrior tank.

Primarily because if only 1-2 things breaks through their damage can be outhealed or they can be killed by either the ranger or elementalists in the group. The real problem occurs when the tank loses all the aggro. Then it's basically, "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES."

Bleh who needs tanks when paragons turn your whole party into tanks ^^

there must be a way to educate these people in pugs so they know theres more ways to do things.

i dunno maybe put a note on guildwiki.



o yea and therangereminem you make no sense.