GW2 Delayed for new things?

It's going to be fun seeing future contrite and humble posts like, "Gosh, I was so wrong when I said GW1 was dead. I was totally mistaken, as shown by X, Y, and Z."

And yeah, I know some will never show the magnitude of character to say that sort of thing. But the rest of us can still look back, remember, and smile.

I whole heartedly agree Gaile.

I quickly scanned this and saw X,Y, and Z.. and got excited that GW2 might actually have a third dimension.

Then I realized the coders of GW are pathetic, and then decided to cut my arm off.

Its already been mentioned many times that GW2 is going to have a Z-axis in the game engine... We know we can jump in it for instance

You fail at flaming Gaile. Next time save yourself the embarrassment and don't even try.

@Gaile
It will be nice when that happens but sadly I doubt it ever will since most people are too proud or stupid to admit they could even be wrong.

No offence, but could you please actually list or quote all sources, just putting your view on it without any supporting quotes/evidence amounts to bullshit.

I care far more about the current cooperative action RPG (GW) than I do about the future MMO (GW2).

Hmmmmmm Guild Wars 2 to on the Shitbox 360. I don't see a good thing in it i like movement how it is. Jumping swimming doesn't charm me.
Click to move or with WSADQE i love it

Gaile,

I agree that ANet is going to do things with GW1 to keep certain players around. Do I think they are going to fix things or make things fair to all players - no. I broke away for 9 months in protest to things that started as far back as before Factions was released - after checking back in I find partial fixes or changes of policy on all of the major objections. They shouldn't have had to happen in the first place. But other things have been broke, and won't be fixed. That is what most people mean by GW1 is dead. No matter the new content coming for GWEN, or the skill balances and nerf bat swinging, there will remain those things about which nothing will be done because the focus is now only on keeping around enough elites to promote the new game.

Armors that don't work or aren't worth purchasing/farming for (Masks, Sunspear Elite Mes, etc.)
Drop rates that absolutely suck and penalize casual players.
The proferrence of an outsource mod for Cart title because GW doesn't want to bother making something functional for legitimate players.
The treatment of casual players as unworthy of being entertained with things that appeal to them unless they convert to being L33tness addicts.
Rits being Air Spikers because Ele's are useless in comparison.
Dervish leaving warriors behind as little boy guards for the club house.

The things I really hope GW2 corrects are:
Support the Player's interest in being entertained with the appearance and persona they enjoy.
Expansive coordination of skin styles so that the interaction of classes, weapons, and armor can more acurately reflect the players expression.
Expansive skill sets that are for specific class combinations (Warrior/Mes skill list, Ele/Rt skill list, etc.) as well as the traditional att skills.
Equal treatment between PvP and PvE (such that PvE players only have to get their skills once just like PvP players).
Avoids the prejudice against Ouslanders/Furiners that is expressed at the beginning of missions and denial of quests.
Prevents the incentive to ebay for gold that exists because of the suppression of achievement through reasonable effort.
Prevents the destruction of classes (like the monk) which has had to be nerfed into complacency because of the healing connection. (If all classes could heal, then the monk could function as a healer by choice instead of being nerfed into it because being able to heal and do damage is just to nifty for farming - but then if the economy had been well structured to begin with farming would not have been necessary to get Everything and botting would never have been an issue.)

GW has been excellent for ease of skill execution and movement. It has been excellent for terrain graphics. It has expressed multicultural environments in theme, plot, and wording.

Flaming Gaile? I was trying to do nothing of the sort. I'm scared of her snapping and having to take a vacation from Guru, again.

Kk question, do you just go on these forums to spam 2000+ posts on your opinion on how you don't like GW or something...? It's not like I go on WoW forums and start spamming it up there.

GW is not dead lol, but somethings should be done to keep its popularity up over the years.

yeah, i wouldn't mind it being delayed for some more content,
never gave my response,

hopefulyl anet will pull through, the HoM was the only real snag for me.fixed it a bit, pity it had to be one of the last things of Gw1.

2 years is alot of time,so hopefully it'll be the game we're expecting.

gw2 isnt coming out till 09/10
the beta starts end of 08

Beta is all i want
I just wonder how we can get into the beta.

How does having a Z-axis automatically mean it will have anything to do with the 360?

Because coding a server infrastructure with the complexity and moduality of what Guild Wars has now is something a child can do, right?

What the HELL are you on about?

Not that this thread, or any like it, will have any noticeable effect...

Anyways, if things went the way I would prefer, Guild Wars 2 would be delayed for as long as it took to (not necessarily in this order):
1) Fix most/all the bugs & graphical errors in Guild Wars.
2) Properly balance Guild Wars, for all levels of play.
3) Release a quality game when the time for Guild Wars 2 comes - this includes no graphical issues, proper balance, complete game environment, and lack of and/or rapid fixing of all bugs.

I really love all the doom and gloom being portrayed for GW1 because of GW2. If other massive online RPGs are any indication GW1 actually has better odds of outliving GW2.

Because coding a server infrastructure with the complexity and moduality of what Guild Wars has now is something a child can do, right?



Yea.

People like me *have* done that Gaile. For example, I strongly criticized the "nerf" to Soul Reaping, and then (after testing) vocally and publicly admitted I was wrong and that the change was just fine.

You often state absolutes -- remember telling us "ANet sees no reason to change favor", as just one example? Favor did, indeed, change. You also said that no change was needed in Razah's acquisition, but it certainly was changed, wasn't it?

Have you said all your mea culpas? Don't demand from us what you haven't done -- and don't lie about whether or not others have admitted when they were wrong.

At this point, I don't see any point in playing GW1, since ANet's current idea of "content" is to ask people to repeat the same things in the same places.

Please, go ahead and change my mind! I'd love to love GW1 again. I'll be more than happy to say I was wrong.

But right now, you've shown me nothing concrete that suggests GW1 has any life left in it for me.

I'm curious bout how'll they'll keep us busy or unbored of the game
and will they spoil more fun ? or bring back some fun?

but thats not quite the point... Guild Wars was never meant to keep you hooked, just keep you coming back when you were bored of playing other short things like FPS's, RTS's, etc... and for casual gaming for those with real lives

I had rather they release stuff for GW1 as I will not be getting GW2 since they have shown that they will do whatever they can to nerf farming at all costs and PvP nerfs will ruin skills that are fine in PvE (yes you have to balance PvP...... do so with closed deck of skills or make 2 sets of all skills with the first set PvE never changing and used as intended then the second set for PvP that they can nerf to hell) Farming nerf makes PvE no fun to me and the lack of people to play with make PvP no good so something new or fixes to current game are needed to make me consider buying GW2 mostly farming fixes so I can make $$$$

if they release an expansion then shorley theyve spent precious time making it. I think an expansion would take more than 3 months extra. the time they spent making the expansiuon they could of been makin gw2

i dont mind really though. a new expansion aswell.. why not more stuff

Personally, I would prefer that they delay GW2 as long as needed to keep injecting a little life into GW every month or two. Dont read that as saying I feel GW is dead or dying - far from it. Its just without creative additions and/or fixes for the next year+, its likely to get quite stale and interest may fade a little, which may take some momentum away from GW2 whenever that may come out. I'm more likely to roll on into buying and playing GW2 if I am still playing GW.

I dont mean another expansion per se, though for me that is ideal. I've thought for some time now the GW2 announcement was too soon. Beta and its eventual release should not have been too terribly far away from the last expansion. I dont think its beyond the call of duty to add some new surprises here and there (things like IDS, some new quests, Sorrow's Furnace even), add a couple features, maybe a new PvP mode (sealed deck), some new AB maps (its been left as is forever, same for most PvP), graphical fixes as related to characters, stylist.

Of course, I dont hold my breath for this. It would have been ideal I think had one team continued to make a new expansion now, while GW2 was developed. They could introduce a number of these things in addition to new content on their own terms, with GW2 beta then not terribly far away from the last chapter having been released. I dont know how they'd do it now. Just wish they would and could.

I've "retired" three times before. Once I thought permanently. Each time it was some months after a given new chapter was out. For me, the gaps between new things, updates and major events was just too long. I have been wrong though. Despite certainty I would not come back, I'm back and playing again and loving it. Just hope it lasts. A year is an awful long time.

I couldn't care less about GW2 right now - ANet can take their sweet time. GW1 still has plenty to keep me going and if they want to sell me more expansion products I'll happily put my money where my mouse is.

2008: Guild Wars: Shiro Revenge (expanding Factions map as EotN expanded Tyria)

2009: Guild Wars: Dark Side of Mhenlo (expanding Nightfall map)

2010: Guild Wars 2

2011: Guild Wars 2: Factions

2012: Guild Wars 2: Nightfall

That is the only way to maintain all players playing forever, IMO.

Is there already a realease date anyway?


I'm with VitisVinifera on this one:

4. Who the f cares, it's years away

Nah - the people that should be humble will be just gone by that time.
It's just a game.

Ok, I am not sure how anyone can lack for things to do in GW1. There are 10 character classes, and 33 character based titles (330 then with 10 characters). Opening every primary skill (including elites somewhat already counted in character based titles) comes to 4,915 most of which have to be paid for. And that does not count skills being opened in secondaries (since PvE must purchase each skill multitple times, unlike PvP). Drunkard title could cost as much as 666,800g if you purchase all your ale and don't use exploits. Treasure Hunter is about 6,000,000g, without discounts. There are the Elite Weapons and Armors to get, there is another 100k per character in insignias, runes, materials, crafting, etc.

The bad part is GW has become a game centered up and based entirely upon Grind - the thing is is not supposed to be about. (And if I really liked farming there are thousands of achers all around me to do it on! I hate farming, and I hate being set up so that I can't achieve anything without doing it constantly.)

So, if you are really playing the game - even just PvE, then you have plenty to do. Farm for life.

I don't care when GW2 is released as long as Anet takes the time they need to do the best job they can at it. I don't need them to give more GW1 content but I wouldn't object to it (so long as GW2 doesn't suffer for it).

However, given the amount of negative feedback GWEN got, and all the dev interviews where they said they'd be pouring themselves into GW2 as soon as GWEN was done, I thing GW2 is where Anet's heart is at the moment. So I highly doubt that another expansion will be released. People that are hungry for new stuff to do can play the GW2 beta soon enough.

1.5 - New features, areas, and items in a sum that totals free.

A different game of a different (and inferior, IMO) genre built to satisfy different people isn't a very satisfying prospect, honestly. Not that I expect to see any more releases for the original game, but I do suspect that my Guild Wars experience will end when the game makes the leap to MMORPG in GW2.

Big LOL. This reminds me of reading that PC Gamer cover title...

"Guild Wars Campaigns Cancelled"

Used as good news BTW (for announce GW2 development)

Think the player base from a large country like china will keep GW going well after or if we move to GW2.

1 + 2. I'd like to see both. I couldn't give a shit about GW2. This is the game i'm playing atm. Fix it.

So you are going to stay with them while we are enjoying our GW2?


>>> Gaile Gray Talk Sunday October 21, 2007 "Main focus is now the development of Guild Wars 2, and they don't want to delay this game because of feature development for Guild Wars." LOL
Do you need to think about another option?

‘Delayed for 3 months’ option is the best for me. Even though I have played GW1 almost every day for more than a year now, I’m not done with it yet. Also, the less changes to GW1 the better. I like it as it is. I just wish they’d stop nerfing things. More time with no nerfing - That’s all I’d need to keep me happy.

I love how everyone just *knows* that they will enjoy/hate the game when we still know practically zilch about it.

I've mentioned this before, but MMORPG sequels have a very uphill battle. They may eventually obtain some modicum of success, become profitable, and maintain themselves; but any have yet to prove as wildly successful as the originals. Who knows, maybe GW2 could be the first to break this trend, though I doubt it.

Personally, I don't expect GW2 to be a failure along the lines of AC2(which did so poorly it's one of the few MMORPGs to permanently shut down in a matter of years), but I honestly would be surprised to see it do much better than EQ2 did in comparison to the original EQ. Even marketing it as a "parallel universe" as opposed to a true sequel didn't help convince people to migrate(which is the crux of the problem with MMORPG sequels), and it only became moderately successful after a few years of tweaking and SOE sinking money into the project.