Just to let everyone know this is a crying thread. lol. Anyway, after many many reports from me and several other players to attempt to report a bot from farming a prestigous title and gold has failed. The max title has been reached for this bot. I truley supported Anet on their new /report command and said to give it some time to the people who hated it. Now i have jumped on the "I hate Anet band wagon". Its just a game, and why should i care who gets what title and how? But when you work hard on any project, even if it is a game, real life ect.. you dont want to see someone cheat their way to your goal. I give Anet an "F" grade for trying to support its players.
And i might get over it and say "HEY! If they can bot titles, i can too"
Also alot of friends and people have checked out this bot and they too confirm its a bot. Confirmed to be on over 48 hours straight, runs in outposts to the exit signs, wont chat back, many other things.
/report for botting = fail on Anet
Gattocheese
Magnus_1
How can you really be sure it's a bot?
I have have been on (afk for long periods) for over 48 hours straight, I can be anti-social and not talk back to people sometimes, and when I'm farming I run straight to the exits in outposts.
Seriously, how can you be sure?
I have have been on (afk for long periods) for over 48 hours straight, I can be anti-social and not talk back to people sometimes, and when I'm farming I run straight to the exits in outposts.
Seriously, how can you be sure?
Karyuu
How many reports, and over what course of time? A couple of days? A week? A month? What proof did you offer, and can you share it here as well so we know your argument is valid and support you in your cause?
Unless the character has been moving nonstop for those 48 hours, you really can't make the assumption that it's not controlled by a player. So did you and your friends and those you communicated with checked on the character by the hour during all this time?
Anyway, my primary question is how long did you wait between reporting and making this thread wailing against Anet.
Unless the character has been moving nonstop for those 48 hours, you really can't make the assumption that it's not controlled by a player. So did you and your friends and those you communicated with checked on the character by the hour during all this time?
Anyway, my primary question is how long did you wait between reporting and making this thread wailing against Anet.
dargon
Just because you've reported something, doesn't mean ANet will remove it instantly. They have numerous checks and balances they go through, all with the goal of not removing real people, and even with them, they still get a few false positives. I'm 100% certain though that by you reporting them, they've been moved up the list of might be a bot. Who cares if they get a title, if they get branded as a bot, the account will be nuked so the title will be effectively a moot point if they can't login to show it off.
I MP I
You do know rant threads get closed right? Just play the game who cares about bots.
Gattocheese
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How many reports, and over what course of time? A couple of days? A week? A month? What proof did you offer, and can you share it here as well so we know your argument is valid and support you in your cause?
Unless the character has been moving nonstop for those 48 hours, you really can't make the assumption that it's not controlled by a player. So did you and your friends and those you communicated with checked on the character by the hour during all this time? Anyway, my primary question is how long did you wait between reporting and making this thread wailing against Anet. |
I have been calmed on the situation, not really effected by the bot getting the title as much as Anet failing to take care of the situation. This is more of a vent, because i know Anet lurks in these forums and i would like them to hear from a unpleased customer (as they do regularly), but this is not about GW's gameplay, a change i didnt like, or how they messed up the new content, contrary to everything i like GW and have been playing for years, its about an online cheater-exploiter.
Gattocheese
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You do know rant threads get closed right? Just play the game who cares about bots.
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Snograt
As a matter of interest, what title was being farmed?
Sergeant of Marines
Savior of the Kurzicks, Seen the bot, confirmed by Gatto, and yes, I play in Japan, so this paticular Person is on all the time botting or, they obviously have no real life at all!
RhanoctJocosa
Somehow you come across as jealous of this said person's title and think by getting lots of people to report them he/she will be punished by ANet.
Obviously either ANet are very busy in processing all the reports and are not yet up to your case, or they've reviewed it and found that the person is not a bot. Either way this thread is pointless.
o ye in b4 lokt.
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Nice conclusion. I guess you should report me for botting too, since I've been logged in for the past couple of days and haven't replied to anyone.
Obviously either ANet are very busy in processing all the reports and are not yet up to your case, or they've reviewed it and found that the person is not a bot. Either way this thread is pointless.
o ye in b4 lokt.
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Savior of the Kurzicks, Seen the bot, confirmed by Gatto, and yes, I play in Japan, so this paticular Person is on all the time botting or, they obviously have no real life at all!
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Karyuu
Considering the sheer amount of reports Anet has to go through (and most of them being crap and a waste of their time is a safe bet to make in my opinion), it can probably take longer than you'd like for something like this to get resolved. Do we know how big of a dedicated "report team" they have, who handles them, etc? I don't think it's something I've had the chance to hear.
Plus reporting someone for botting is a bit more complicated than reporting someone for using bad language - when it comes to the former, they probably do need to check for themselves the behavior of said character, and I've no doubt that bot reports come in all the time.
Plus reporting someone for botting is a bit more complicated than reporting someone for using bad language - when it comes to the former, they probably do need to check for themselves the behavior of said character, and I've no doubt that bot reports come in all the time.
Gattocheese
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Considering the sheer amount of reports Anet has to go through (and most of them being crap and a waste of their time is a safe bet to make in my opinion), it can probably take longer than you'd like for something like this to get resolved. Do we know how big of a dedicated "report team" they have, who handles them, etc? I don't think it's something I've had the chance to hear.
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Sergeant of Marines
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But out of the countless hours I play, this person always does it the same way...run to exit sign, runs out portal, rezones, rinse and repeat...after about 20k faction, I would need a break, this person/bot does it non-stop all day! Have screenshots to prove the bot-like-movement!
Holly Herro
Everyone, just report or something and let A-net handle it.
Thread closing powers comencing.. now?
Thread closing powers comencing.. now?
strcpy
You can not confirm they are a bot - I do not care if you have a screen of the whole outpost saying "Bot" and a petition signed by over 10,000 people saying the "know" they are. Without access to what the character is doing outside of town you have *no* idea whatsoever.
Ran to the exit sign and doesn't respond to chat doing the same thing over and over? Sounds exactly like me when I'm farming (and occasionally I have gotten a "detective" whispering me that they reported me to Anet - though this was well before the /report function). I don't like to chat when I play the game, let alone farm and I mostly use the keyboard (thus running to the sign is pretty much the easiest way).
Just because 20 people say "Bot!!!!" and /report them doesn't mean they will get banned. Anet will get around to investigating and they have their server logs. If they are obviously using a third party program they will be banned and, so far, bots aren't sophisticated enough to play like a human does. If they are a human (or even humans) that is just doing something mind numbingly boring and anti-social for a huge amount of hours then nothing will occur and nothing *should* occur. There is no law that someone can't use the sign posts and has to reply to people asking them if they are bots.
Heck, there have been cases in Korea of people dieing because they sit in one place too long playing a game (and that took many many many hours) so it isn't like it never happens either. /Report them and feel good - if they are botting they will get the axe, if not then either shake your head in disgust or be in awe of the amount of effort in such a short time the person is doing for something like a title.
Ran to the exit sign and doesn't respond to chat doing the same thing over and over? Sounds exactly like me when I'm farming (and occasionally I have gotten a "detective" whispering me that they reported me to Anet - though this was well before the /report function). I don't like to chat when I play the game, let alone farm and I mostly use the keyboard (thus running to the sign is pretty much the easiest way).
Just because 20 people say "Bot!!!!" and /report them doesn't mean they will get banned. Anet will get around to investigating and they have their server logs. If they are obviously using a third party program they will be banned and, so far, bots aren't sophisticated enough to play like a human does. If they are a human (or even humans) that is just doing something mind numbingly boring and anti-social for a huge amount of hours then nothing will occur and nothing *should* occur. There is no law that someone can't use the sign posts and has to reply to people asking them if they are bots.
Heck, there have been cases in Korea of people dieing because they sit in one place too long playing a game (and that took many many many hours) so it isn't like it never happens either. /Report them and feel good - if they are botting they will get the axe, if not then either shake your head in disgust or be in awe of the amount of effort in such a short time the person is doing for something like a title.
Snow Bunny
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Savior of the Kurzicks, Seen the bot, confirmed by Gatto, and yes, I play in Japan, so this paticular Person is on all the time botting or, they obviously have no real life at all!
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Look at nborn, kog, other saviors. They put in ~150k a day. nborn had over 20mil faction donated total. If this guy's a bot, nborn's a bot.
Gattocheese
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Seeing as you and I were both in Sins at some point, you should know as well as I do that if you are going for Savior of the Kurzicks, you might as well as be a bot.
Look at nborn, kog, other saviors. They put in ~150k a day. nborn had over 20mil faction donated total. If this guy's a bot, nborn's a bot. |
Sergeant of Marines
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Well Nborn got his title the hard way (before double faction) and over the course of several months. I watched this bot progress his title from rank 3 to savior in un nborn time. lolz
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Vinraith
Sounds like you've got a legitimate bot, but you can only do what you can do. It wouldn't surprise me if Anet's /report queue is so long it takes them quite awhile to get around to investigating a given set of reports. They may get him yet. We can hope.
Fril Estelin
And you're basically saying that the /report does not work because of this case?
Shortsightedness FTL!
Shortsightedness FTL!
Gattocheese
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Sounds like you've got a legitimate bot, but you can only do what you can do. It wouldn't surprise me if Anet's /report queue is so long it takes them quite awhile to get around to investigating a given set of reports. They may get him yet. We can hope.
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leprekan
Pathetic. Just because someone does not respond to you and follows the shortest path on a grind title does not make them a bot. FFF is so freaking mindless it is unreal when you bring HFFF into it if you should definitely be watching tv at same time. Get over yourself.
This thread should be close with a public stoning to follow.
This thread should be close with a public stoning to follow.
dicecube
i reported someone that was botting and i got my account suspended..
lol after years of playing this character and never running into any problems
my first time reporting someone using /report name, i get my account suspended for having an unacceptable name.
heatscore on my part for exposing my name, even though its nowhere from being inappropriate, just a tad bit naughty
a lil bit funny actually, but Anet has no sense of humor.
lol after years of playing this character and never running into any problems
my first time reporting someone using /report name, i get my account suspended for having an unacceptable name.
heatscore on my part for exposing my name, even though its nowhere from being inappropriate, just a tad bit naughty
a lil bit funny actually, but Anet has no sense of humor.
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Was not a conclusion, it was a fact. Would you reply to a pm that asked: Are you a bot?
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But out of the countless hours I play, this person always does it the same way...run to exit sign, runs out portal, rezones, rinse and repeat...after about 20k faction, I would need a break, this person/bot does it non-stop all day! Have screenshots to prove the bot-like-movement!
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Thank you for the upbeat reply, i believe that Anet will eventually get em. Just was hoping before he reached the title.
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Sergeant of Marines
I will blank out the name(s) and post them when I get home in about 4 hours!
jezz
man you stand around watching bots or possible bot? what do you get out of reporting? satisfaction you dobbed in someone that has been grinding..
i was farming Sunspear points one afternoon..i did like 20 runs in and out i didnt speak to anyone didnt stop for anything..i certainly hope i wasnt reported as a bot..
they dont bother me, so i dont bother them..
i was farming Sunspear points one afternoon..i did like 20 runs in and out i didnt speak to anyone didnt stop for anything..i certainly hope i wasnt reported as a bot..
they dont bother me, so i dont bother them..
Red Sonya
The thing is /reports are NOT IMMEDIATE in that there will be action immediately if at all. It could take weeks or months to get to a specific case and I honestly don't believe Anet has the time or staff to monitor anyone specificially constantly all the time.
My theory is when the case gets to them they check on the person accused of a bot using whatever detective means they use and IF this person is STILL BOTTING at that particular time and moment then they get banned. Otherwise if they aren't botting when being checked then they go scott free from whatever it was they were botting before.
I personally don't have a problem with what other people do in the game until it effects me in a way I find "offensive" like ethnic slurs or racial slurs. That's the only time I will turn my head up towards what another player is doing. Bots only exist because other players want them to exist so they can buy their way through the game and their ranks or whatever it is they feel they just must have right now. If people didn't support them they probably wouldn't exist in the huge numbers that they do in every mmorpg/mmo or cooprpg. Besides what is a title anyways, they are worthless and useless except a handful that give some advantage to salvaging or PVE skills. Big deal we lived a long time and played a long time without any Titles or PVE only skills. Quit whinning and just play the dam game or quit.
My theory is when the case gets to them they check on the person accused of a bot using whatever detective means they use and IF this person is STILL BOTTING at that particular time and moment then they get banned. Otherwise if they aren't botting when being checked then they go scott free from whatever it was they were botting before.
I personally don't have a problem with what other people do in the game until it effects me in a way I find "offensive" like ethnic slurs or racial slurs. That's the only time I will turn my head up towards what another player is doing. Bots only exist because other players want them to exist so they can buy their way through the game and their ranks or whatever it is they feel they just must have right now. If people didn't support them they probably wouldn't exist in the huge numbers that they do in every mmorpg/mmo or cooprpg. Besides what is a title anyways, they are worthless and useless except a handful that give some advantage to salvaging or PVE skills. Big deal we lived a long time and played a long time without any Titles or PVE only skills. Quit whinning and just play the dam game or quit.
Gattocheese
I never understood the contraversy over bots. They are a bad thing for GW and change the way that we play the game, usually for the worse. I basically was blowing steam because i was hoping for the bot to be banned before getting the title. But now realizing that it might take a lot longer, i am confident that there will be good results in the end.
Some people do get banned on accident, thats why this might be a more sensitive /report than say cursing, bad name, leeching. But its all part of due process, plus i have seen a long time ago on these forums of people actually admitting using bots. So i might be stepping in someones business.
Some people do get banned on accident, thats why this might be a more sensitive /report than say cursing, bad name, leeching. But its all part of due process, plus i have seen a long time ago on these forums of people actually admitting using bots. So i might be stepping in someones business.
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Thank you for the upbeat reply, i believe that Anet will eventually get em. Just was hoping before he reached the title.
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man you stand around watching bots or possible bot? what do you get out of reporting? satisfaction you dobbed in someone that has been grinding..
i was farming Sunspear points one afternoon..i did like 20 runs in and out i didnt speak to anyone didnt stop for anything..i certainly hope i wasnt reported as a bot.. they dont bother me, so i dont bother them.. |
a. Care
b. do not beleive
I will not continue to try with this anymore.
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That is all fine, 20 runs is not bad, this guy is doing HUNDREDS without stop, but since Many people do not
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if he is a bot fine ban him..but you have like 1000s more...so good luck with that..
Red Sonya
If you're wasting time watching a bot and then complain that the bot is stealing something or changing the game for you, you really have no right to complain for all that time you spent watching the bot and then going to forums and complaining you could have been out there getting your own title (in due time) and other things like gold and items and equipment.
One thing I notice in this game an all other ones online is that there sure are a lot of whinny babies on each and every one. There are tattle tails as well. There are mama's boys and bullies. There are a lot of jealous people. I don't think I've ever seen in real life what I see in online games as it brings out the real personalities of people who because of an anonymous state they aren't AFRAID to express themselves. Mostly whinning though.
One thing I notice in this game an all other ones online is that there sure are a lot of whinny babies on each and every one. There are tattle tails as well. There are mama's boys and bullies. There are a lot of jealous people. I don't think I've ever seen in real life what I see in online games as it brings out the real personalities of people who because of an anonymous state they aren't AFRAID to express themselves. Mostly whinning though.
azizul1975
just becoz someone making the same movement over and over again , u cannot say he's a bot...
i've done that couple of times, soloing jade bro hard mode just outside marketplace in cantha for the drops....i know people doing it for the survivor title too..does that make them bots?
i've done that couple of times, soloing jade bro hard mode just outside marketplace in cantha for the drops....i know people doing it for the survivor title too..does that make them bots?
Fril Estelin
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The thing is /reports are NOT IMMEDIATE in that there will be action immediately if at all. It could take weeks or months to get to a specific case and I honestly don't believe Anet has the time or staff to monitor anyone specificially constantly all the time.
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But if anyone has a 3rd party application running, it's pretty easy to beat (not used all the time).
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Fril Estelin
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I don't think I've ever seen in real life what I see in online games as it brings out the real personalities of people who because of an anonymous state they aren't AFRAID to express themselves.
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It's exactly like spamming, it's nothing new at all, people have been doing it for centuries. Only the Internet make it a lot easier and faster (click here to send 100,000 emails!). Thus generating an overwhelming feeling that is generall misinterpretated as being "more true", because it seems "raw" in the big sea of emotional content (which it trully is, pseudo-anonimity breaks the social barriers).
It's a bit like GWG: it looks like the GW community is talking, but it is NOT. It's just a bunch of thousands people eager to type (rather than click
). The good news is: all the whining may simply be a "GWG" effect, not an aspect of GW itself.post-edit: on the other hand, "botting" is something quite new (though automated action from the Ford USA area created it per se), as it introduces online an inherent unfair advantage to people that are computer-savvy (well, sort of, this is getting much much easier that it used to be, see script kiddies). That's where trust and reputation systems come in, but they're very far from being robust and widely understood.
leprekan
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That is all fine, 20 runs is not bad, this guy is doing HUNDREDS without stop, but since Many people do not
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Only thing worse than actual bots is the busy bodies that actually think they could spot one. I have been banned twice I assume because of busy body morons thinking I was a bot and Anet banning first and looking later. Both times was resolved and unbanned with an oops our bad email from Anet.
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HI have been banned twice I assume because of busy body morons thinking I was a bot and Anet banning first and looking later.
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Don't ask me what goes into the brain of this kind of people, as much as I can find explanations, the fact that this behavior exists defies intelligence. Parents, please educate your children!
Gattocheese
The dection of botting months ago is a lil different that it is now. Before, if you did repeative movement over and over again for a long period of time without any kind of other action their system would find you and give you a nice fat error. It had that happen to my ex guild leader twice. This time its a lil different with the /report system. I have been faction farming for the longest time, longer than most people now have been, just not as heavily. Its rather easy IMO to spot a botter, seeing them rather dominate augury rock, altrum ruins for a long time. Of course since i report this character, the due process should tell me if it was actualy a bot or a real person. If it is a bot and it does take a lot longer, eventually that person shall be banned. If not, that person will not be banned and no harm done.
They gave us a /report for bots for a reason, its not like reporting for cursing or leaching. Botting can effect everyone and has already.
They gave us a /report for bots for a reason, its not like reporting for cursing or leaching. Botting can effect everyone and has already.
Fril Estelin
IMO, the only solid proof of a bot is spotting the exact same "behavior" many times in a row (without any change) and getting in on tape. Behavior=same path, same actions. But this would be surely spotted by Anet's antibot features.
In total truth, this is not even truly undisputable, as someone mentioned before that using the keyboard only, you can end up extremely repetitive actions and mecanically follow the same path (thanks to Anet software doing the job for you when you press the space bar).
I suspect that there are actually simple ways to check bot-activity on the server-side (even a random mouse click or side-step wouldn't help). But on the client side, where we all stand (unless you're from Anet which you are not) it's a lot of speculation, though it can very well be that this guy is actually a bot!
In total truth, this is not even truly undisputable, as someone mentioned before that using the keyboard only, you can end up extremely repetitive actions and mecanically follow the same path (thanks to Anet software doing the job for you when you press the space bar).
I suspect that there are actually simple ways to check bot-activity on the server-side (even a random mouse click or side-step wouldn't help). But on the client side, where we all stand (unless you're from Anet
which you are not) it's a lot of speculation, though it can very well be that this guy is actually a bot!
leprekan
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The dection of botting months ago is a lil different that it is now. Before, if you did repeative movement over and over again for a long period of time without any kind of other action their system would find you and give you a nice fat error. It had that happen to my ex guild leader twice. This time its a lil different with the /report system. I have been faction farming for the longest time, longer than most people now have been, just not as heavily. Its rather easy IMO to spot a botter, seeing them rather dominate augury rock, altrum ruins for a long time. Of course since i report this character, the due process should tell me if it was actualy a bot or a real person. If it is a bot and it does take a lot longer, eventually that person shall be banned. If not, that person will not be banned and no harm done.
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Sorry, but it is very easy to imagine a person just like you causing me to be banned before for NO REASON. If you spend that much time in a town to notice one persons play style you seriously need to do something productive in the game or try taking a walk outside where fresh air may clear the methane so obviously blurring your ability to see common farming behavior.
You do not provide one shred of evidence other than your opinion. Like I said in one of my earlier posts ... I used to run the same route to exit for HOURS on end in Lutgardis. I am not and never was a bot. If you feel my response is kind of harsh .. I appologize .. but you will never understand till YOU are the target of a clueless busy body. Threads like this should be killed on sight just to avoid spreading the idea that people can tell what a bot is. If it were easy to tell Anet would have banned them ALL long ago.