((I made a search and only a complain topic got out))
The FFF is not an acceptable way of gainning faction point and it is an obvious exploit of the system. The last time I tried it, it was done with 3 heroes so that people only have to sit and wait.
Why is it an exploit : because the quest is validated before the quest is even taken. Therefore the aim of the quest is NOT really fulfilled. The luxons/Kurzick that should spawn and be wipe out are simply avoid.
As the people don't do the mission technically they are not helping their faction, they are stealing the point. They don't contribute to moving the fontier BUT are the most rewarded for no effort.
How to nerf it : quite simple, the quest should update only after it is taken, theirfore the ennemy will spawn making it harder to run. Finally, a point should be validated only if the ennemy that spawn are killed. This way it would not be possible to run the quest, that is only fair.
If playing the game resume to sit and do something else while people farm for you, the title is meaningless => less willing to play. I mean this is a real problem!
Best regards,
Skanvak
Lord of "La maison des Drakkens"
Edited by Celestial Beaver: Title Clarified
Nerf the FFF [Fast Faction Farming]
skanvak
Mr. G
so give me the reason why the FFF is a BAD thing and lets try this again
legion_rat
ok wtf is fff?
~the rat~
~the rat~
Mr. G
Fast faction farming - if your luxon you wont get it - its a repeatable quest outside of lutgardis
EDIT: huh - it seems Luxons DO have a FFF - http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/FFF
EDIT: huh - it seems Luxons DO have a FFF - http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/FFF
IslandHermet
kurz and lux FFF is as old as time. FFF is not a problem if you dont like AB style play FFF is for you if you like AB dont do FFF it is that simple. A good Aber can get the same or more Faction in the same time as the FFF farmer.
and no one really cares about the frontier lines.
Here is the best idea for you (Dont care about FFF it is that simple)
and no one really cares about the frontier lines.
Here is the best idea for you (Dont care about FFF it is that simple)
Abedeus
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so give me the reason why the FFF is a BAD thing and lets try this again
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...Well, if they block themselves or get killed. But it's still boring!
bungusmaximus
/notsigned, if they fix the waits in AB it may be a viable option, but else there will be no viable way to either: get 10k to progress in the story or donate 10k to an alliance because they own a town.
If ancestral is on and you have to accumulate 10k for your alliance you will be VERY disappointed when AB is the only way to get it.
If ancestral is on and you have to accumulate 10k for your alliance you will be VERY disappointed when AB is the only way to get it.
skanvak
Getting 10K form AB is very faisable, especially when the fontier is on the opposite faction territory.
Difficulty is part of the game. The point : I don't understant why it should be the one doing the easy way that get the reward and not the one accepting the difficulty. Finally, the people who are doing FFF expect the point without effort. I point that it is not acceptable and kill all the fun for people wanting a somewhat challenging game.
And I agree with Abedeus, it is boring.
Difficulty is part of the game. The point : I don't understant why it should be the one doing the easy way that get the reward and not the one accepting the difficulty. Finally, the people who are doing FFF expect the point without effort. I point that it is not acceptable and kill all the fun for people wanting a somewhat challenging game.
And I agree with Abedeus, it is boring.
PureEvilYak
I understand that FFF is an incredibly easy and dull way to get faction. But by setting Savior of {Allegiance} they've backed themselves into a hole. Take away FFF, and Savior is incredibly difficult, vastly long, and intensely boring (by the end) to get. Keep FFF, they mean anyone not going for max rank can take the easy way out. Yeah, it sucks, and I see your point, but theres nothing that Anet can do about it without annoying some segment of the playerbase.
greenreaper3
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Uhm... It's boring... And... With heroes it takes 5-6 minutes!
...Well, if they block themselves or get killed. But it's still boring! |
just dont do it...
PS
/notsigned
Croco Clouds
/notsigned not matter what
sorry I haven't read the first post due to the numerous spelling mistakes
sorry I haven't read the first post due to the numerous spelling mistakes
Red Sonya
/signed I agree nerf these easy exploits to get easy faction. Make players complete the WHOLE quest before they get the rewards. Require killing something or many things. That'll fix em. 
Sergeant of Marines
NOT an exploit
/notsigned
ANET has known about it for a long while now, and said nothing about it being an exploit!
Ohhh and Abedeus: it takes 50 seconds to do one run...5 mins is a bit long and exagerated greatly.
/notsigned
ANET has known about it for a long while now, and said nothing about it being an exploit!
Ohhh and Abedeus: it takes 50 seconds to do one run...5 mins is a bit long and exagerated greatly.
HawkofStorms
/notsigned
You are what... 1 and a half years too late?
You are what... 1 and a half years too late?
Spazzer
Fixing it now would pretty much benefit the people who maxed out their Kurzick before hand.
Luxon's the title to go if you want to be cool.
Luxon's the title to go if you want to be cool.
JeniM
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Originally Posted by Spazzer
Fixing it now would pretty much benefit the people who maxed out their Kurick before hand.
Luxon's the title to go if you want to be cool. |
/notsigned
Lurid
/notsigned
Theres no reason to nerf it. If you're going to nerf it, you might aswell nerf the luxon variant (albeit considerably slower).
Theres no reason to nerf it. If you're going to nerf it, you might aswell nerf the luxon variant (albeit considerably slower).
DarkGanni
/notsigned
Someone wants to ruin someone's fun again.
Someone wants to ruin someone's fun again.
Diddy bow
Nerfing this now would be simmilar to what loot scaling did, screw over those who havnt done it yet and have no effect on those who already have the maxed title.
/notsigned for this reason.
/notsigned for this reason.
Gattocheese
/notsigned
Anet knows about it and is ok with it. Plus if you think it is boring or stupid you dont have to do it!
Anet knows about it and is ok with it. Plus if you think it is boring or stupid you dont have to do it!
gameshoes3003
/notsigned
I already wait long enough for an AB battle or For Aspenwood. Don't need more people flooding it, then there would be no battle for like 2 hours...
The longest I waited for a battle was about 30 minutes... it was on that double faction weekend... craziness I tell you!
I already wait long enough for an AB battle or For Aspenwood. Don't need more people flooding it, then there would be no battle for like 2 hours...
The longest I waited for a battle was about 30 minutes... it was on that double faction weekend... craziness I tell you!
cellardweller
meh, no real reason too. You earn it just as much from monster farming in HM. A better solution would be to increase the AB rewards to the point where it can match FFF and HM farming.
chowmein69
/notsign
its good how it is right now
its good how it is right now
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by skanvak
((I made a search and only a complain topic got out))
The FFF is not an acceptable way of gainning faction point and it is an obvious exploit of the system. The last time I tried it, it was done with 3 heroes so that people only have to sit and wait. Why is it an exploit : because the quest is validated before the quest is even taken. Therefore the aim of the quest is NOT really fulfilled. The luxons/Kurzick that should spawn and be wipe out are simply avoid. As the people don't do the mission technically they are not helping their faction, they are stealing the point. They don't contribute to moving the fontier BUT are the most rewarded for no effort. How to nerf it : quite simple, the quest should update only after it is taken, theirfore the ennemy will spawn making it harder to run. Finally, a point should be validated only if the ennemy that spawn are killed. This way it would not be possible to run the quest, that is only fair. If playing the game resume to sit and do something else while people farm for you, the title is meaningless => less willing to play. I mean this is a real problem! Best regards, Skanvak Lord of "La maison des Drakkens" |
"I want people to ab all of their faction and waste their time, like me. Please Anet, some of us enjoy masochism and have epic quantities of time on our hands, and would like others to go through the same. Please nerf a perfectly valid farming system for this reason."
Please uninstall GW now.
I beseech you
lishi
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
/notsigned
Someone wants to ruin someone's fun again. |
Faer
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Uhm... It's boring...
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Let's nerf AB, because it's boring.
skanvak
_ I partly agree that seeing the "no opposing party" is boring after some time. That should be fixed in a way. (May be giving faction point for people not finding an opposing party, too good for leechers but it wouln't be more stupid that allowing FFF).
_ Farming in HM is ok because IT IS playing the game. FFF is not playing, just getting the point free.
_ Am I 1 and a half year late? Sure I am, but better late than never. I prefer this closed now (I am only rank 5) than let it go forever.
_ Farming in HM is ok because IT IS playing the game. FFF is not playing, just getting the point free.
_ Am I 1 and a half year late? Sure I am, but better late than never. I prefer this closed now (I am only rank 5) than let it go forever.
wetsparks
since fff is the fastest way to get points, thus its name. It still takes an incredibly long time to max the title.
For the sake of even numbers, 10,000 points per hour, donate that to your alliance is 20,000 points to the title track, per hour. Five hours of fff to get 100,000 points, 50 hours to get 1,000,000 points, and 500 hours to get 10,000,000 points.
Since it seems like waiting to get into AB takes as long as the AB itself, it would take well over 1000 hours of AB and waiting to get into AB to max the title out that way. Isn't that a lot of fun.
I don't know how many points per hour HM farming produces but I imagine it would be somewhere in between 500 and 1000 hours and would be every bit as boring going over the same hand full of zones clearing everything or clearing a certain run as fff is and ab gets.
Either way, if you want to max the title out sometime this century, then you need fff. If you don't care about the title, farm HM, do AB/aspenwood.
btw, /not signed
For the sake of even numbers, 10,000 points per hour, donate that to your alliance is 20,000 points to the title track, per hour. Five hours of fff to get 100,000 points, 50 hours to get 1,000,000 points, and 500 hours to get 10,000,000 points.
Since it seems like waiting to get into AB takes as long as the AB itself, it would take well over 1000 hours of AB and waiting to get into AB to max the title out that way. Isn't that a lot of fun.
I don't know how many points per hour HM farming produces but I imagine it would be somewhere in between 500 and 1000 hours and would be every bit as boring going over the same hand full of zones clearing everything or clearing a certain run as fff is and ab gets.
Either way, if you want to max the title out sometime this century, then you need fff. If you don't care about the title, farm HM, do AB/aspenwood.
btw, /not signed
MithranArkanere
The only thing they should do is update the Nightfall and Factions point earning to be like GW:EN, so bosses give more points the more kills you have made, not just the 25 you have to do now.
The quick kill qusts are good as they are. Boring, but rewarding.
The quick kill qusts are good as they are. Boring, but rewarding.
Knight Othin Of War
farming is bad enough already, so why make it worse
/Not Signed
/Not Signed
kradens
/notsigned
its something most people do with guildies and friends. anything that promotes getting together in a game like GW is worth keeping imo.
its something most people do with guildies and friends. anything that promotes getting together in a game like GW is worth keeping imo.
Dronte
/notsigned
No real reason for nerfing it.
No real reason for nerfing it.
pkodyssey
/NOTSIGNED
AB is slower than hell compared to FFF.
Every couple days I do the FFF with hero's and henchies. Anything more than that gets boring fast.
I have gotten so proficient at it that I can do it in about 90 sec. Bind flags to my "F1-F4" keys and start clicking away. I dont do more than 10K at a time because I dont want Anet thinking I am botting. Takes me about 30-40 min for 10K, with spawning and mistakes.
AB is slower than hell compared to FFF.
Every couple days I do the FFF with hero's and henchies. Anything more than that gets boring fast.
I have gotten so proficient at it that I can do it in about 90 sec. Bind flags to my "F1-F4" keys and start clicking away. I dont do more than 10K at a time because I dont want Anet thinking I am botting. Takes me about 30-40 min for 10K, with spawning and mistakes.
Vinraith
FFF is kind of cheap, but faction takes ages to get. The obvious solution is to nerf FFF while significantly raising faction rewards so that it's reasonable to gain the stuff through actual gameplay.
Aera Lure
/notsigned
The OP wants this nerfed because..?
Seriously, its not an exploit. Its simply an alternative to what is a very, very long title track with a lot of monotony any way you choose to complete it.
The OP wants this nerfed because..?
Seriously, its not an exploit. Its simply an alternative to what is a very, very long title track with a lot of monotony any way you choose to complete it.
Tempest47
/notsigned
It makes Savior of the Kurzicks feasible without being completely bored out of your mind because I talk on vent when im doing it
It makes Savior of the Kurzicks feasible without being completely bored out of your mind because I talk on vent when im doing it
pumpkin pie
rofl....
NO!
althought I don't FFF, because its boring! i love to kill pixel monsters! but what other players wants to do with their time is their business. i think its just stupid to waste time doing FFF but hey, its their time.
NO!
althought I don't FFF, because its boring! i love to kill pixel monsters! but what other players wants to do with their time is their business. i think its just stupid to waste time doing FFF but hey, its their time.
Yawgmoth
/signed
this is simply an exploit, period.
If the quest did work only after taken, FFF would still be doable with a group of players and nearly as fast.
this is simply an exploit, period.
If the quest did work only after taken, FFF would still be doable with a group of players and nearly as fast.
Coifmeister
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A better solution would be to increase the AB rewards to the point where it can match FFF and HM farming.
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I would hope it would make me more attractive to other players making a PUG , but it doesnt really. For all they know i could have done a repeatable quest 6000 times.
FFF sucked the life out of me. If you're braindead enough to do it go ahead.
I do wish theyd nerf it though.
Swift Thief
How is it an exploit? /notsigned