Nerf the FFF [Fast Faction Farming]

/no sign
Not a exploit, only thing close to a exploit is the HFF. but normal FFF does not abuse any of the game machanics.
If they really want to stop HFF, boost the stupid Blessing and AB rewards.
IF Ab gave 5k for win in enemy territory, or the blessing gave 20 points per kill in HM these would be more feasable than FFF.

Agree. Vainquishing Cantha should net you big faction.
/disagree on nerfing FFF.

/notsigned

As others have said, the better solution is to increase the reward for other methods of faction gain.

Increasing the reward from AB is not really the solution (thought it as been done twice).

Because if AB and HM famring become too good, then the FFF repeatable quest become useless. May be this quest is broken and should be removed. But globally all the repeatable quest are not done regularly.

So increasing reward of AB/aspenwood (which will fit me a lot and make sense as these are the real action helping the war effort) will make all repeatable quest worstless (what they already seem to be).

So well, may be I'ill be happy with a doubling of AB/aspenwood reward point (may add some gold too to reward pvp player in gold too). Thought I stay with my first opinion that FFF is just exploiting the game.

you can increase the rewards all you want for AB and Aspenwood to try and make it more attractive then FFF but when you can gain more faction doing FFF in the same amount of time it usually takes to wait and do just one AB or Aspenwood battle the problem isnt FFF its the game mechanics for AB and Aspenwood. if you dont like FFF then dont do it.

" If you don't like FFF, don't do it"
That is not the point. As someone pointed rightly before. It makes the Kurzick title worthless. It is other people doing it that damaged our effort.

May be doing a special AB title would be the solution.

/notsign

FFF is a easy way to earn Kurzick Titles fast. AB is to slow for that and sometimes the loading times are very annoying.

FFF you can do always and even with hero's. Why nerf is, it is a easy way to earn some money and you find a crapload of chest on your way.

I agree with the OP that Kurz/Lux allegiance should be obtained through PvP battles, not PvE quests.


But the real problem for me are the PvE only skills. Despite the fact that those skills are unusable in PvP, they're tied to a basically PvP activity.

So, for those who never PvP like me, there would be no way to get them.


I consider skills the most important aspect of the game.
Normal, elite or PvE only skills, I spend my time to acquire them and possibly maximizing the effect.

Nighfall and EoTN already provide tons of PvE skills, anyway the process to maximize their effect requires a reasonable amount of time.
In my experience, LB/SS requires a couple of weeks with the hours that I play each day, of course there are people who play 12 hours a day and do it in 2 days, but I play for fun and have other things to do.
Two weeks is reasonable to me.

Luxon and Kurzick PvE skills on the other hand, require an effort in term of time which is 2 or 3 magnitude order higher.
This because their learning curve is that of a PvP title.

I've spent some hours doing HFF basically because I wanted LS on one of my characters, and I found I was able to make 10k points in 45-50 mins.
This means that maximizing the skills requires more or less 1.000 hours, that to me are an equivalent of nearly 2 years, spent only placing flags on the map.
Totally unreasonable.


My suggestion would be to

- unlink those skills from allegiance rank
- make them character based like all other PvE skills
- consequently tune the learning curve to require a time to max comparable to all other PvE skills.


Only after that it would be possible to take any action regarding FFF or HFF.

The title is already worthless now that they doubled the rate you can get it (via transfering to the guild 5k now gets you 10k in the title).

Three pages and I have yet to see a valid reason.

/notsigned

Someone who constantly runs from fights and gets slaughtered repeatedly shouldn't be known as 'Savior of the Kurzicks'. A title is something your character is known for. It's like if you got the title 'Deadly Gladiator' for spamming in Lions Arch. Or you got the 'Drunkard' title for eating those bean cake things. Or you were known as 'Defender of Ascalon' cause you got pwnt down lots by some low level charr in presearing.

Perhaps that last one is a bad example.

Anyway, they should have detected this early and changed the max title for FFF to 'Kurzick Suicide Squad' or something. Cause the only noteworthy thing you are doing in FFF is running and dying. In Hard Mode and AB at least you have to kill a couple Kurzick enemies.

Since when do titles have to make sense? If I buy and ID 10k gold items, that doesn't make me wise or even remotely knowledgeable about game mechanics, yet I'm a "Source of Wisdom". If I buy a couple million gold worth of tickets, and lose all of them on 9 rings, how does that make me both Lucky AND Unlucky? If I do the Remains of Sahlaja run 30 times to get max SS and LB rank, have I really "proven" myself to be a great Sunspear and Lightbringer? Arguing to close something because it doesn't make sense in a FANTASY game is silly.

I don't know who you're talking about, but I've never had to run from anyone or die the times I've tried doing FFF.

And no, you aren't being know as SotK for running away. You get the faction by doing deeds for the Kurzicks. Pure and simple. How you decide to do the deed, unless it's truly negatively impacting the game as a whole, is of no consequence.

/notsigned

It doesn't harm anyone.

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I'm going to take a wild guess and say you're a Luxon, if you are, all Luxons need to stop complaining about FFFing, it is a highly effective way of gaining faction towards your title, don't like it? Join a kurzick guild.

Let's nerf this too, it's a FFF too.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...l_Faction_Farm

Or this, it's a fast way of getting a title (Stygian Veil for Lightbringer points)
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/...peed_Trap_Solo

Need I say more?

/notsigned

/Nothsigned

This titles are for no-lifers as it is, make them even harder will make them even lamer. The title limit for these should be 1 Million max, until then this should stay because noone cares about these crappy titles and the amber price sucks now anyway so dont worry.

boring, but way late to close this now.
1 year and a half ppl have been farming points like this. not fair to prevent other ppl to get their "fast" saviours now.

fff should stay. boost faction rewards for killing foes in hard mode.
or even better. add a big faction bonus once u succesfully complete a vanquish.

ex: now -> vanquishing gyala hatchery gives around 4200-4500 points
with the boost -> double the points gained in the map once the vanquish is completed.

rushing a vanquish would be as fast as fff

What really needs to be buffed is Blessing of the Kurzicks. You can make AB as attractive as you want, and there will still be plenty of PvE players who will never touch it.

Faction titles already got f***ed over when they decided to double your points when you submit. Don't let something similar happen again.

/notsigned

QFT.

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To the OP:

The question you need to ask yourself is, how is this affecting you? So some people get the Savior of the Kurzicks title. It doesn't affect you in any negative way. If anything, you could say it is positive because it got you a few extra minutes of favor.

Someone mentioned earlier that it's a good group activity. People actually enjoy FFFing. There's whole guilds of people who enjoy it. Just stand in Lutgardis ID1 sometime. Sure, it's not everyone's cup of tea, but there are plenty of people out there who have fun with it.

And if this way of earning faction is removed, is it going to affect the people who already earned the title? Nope. They're not going to lose their titles.

If you don't like FFF, there's plenty of other ways to earn your title. Do some ABs (I do agree there needs to be something done about the wait times, though). Or maybe some Aspenwood. Or you could run around outside and kill things. FFF isn't the only way to earn a faction title.

/notsigned

In the next update... paragons vs robots vs Al Gore. Skyy High's vision for GW2. Unfortunately, we can't argue it because that would be 'silly'.

Explain what you were doing all the time then. Then explain how that makes your character a 'Savior of the Kurzicks'. (For extra credit, explain how doing what you were doing makes your character a 'Legendary Survivor'). Being the 'door' is WORSE then what I said. You make my point stronger.

What deeds? You just rezoned constantly, right? And took the Kurzick guy's money for quest complete. How did this save the Kurzicks?

If you got amber for the faction you got in this method and sold it, you devalued the amber of people who actually play the game.

Getting the title in this manner devalues to zero the Savior of the Kurzicks title for anyone who actually got it via AB. People see that title now and they think 'That guy just uses exploits like FFF to get titles'. That's what SotK means now.

You need to check figures before speaking.

At an optimistic rate of 15k faction per hour, FFF or HFF requires nearly 700 hours to max the title.

I'm sure that in the world there are some idiot nerds who don't have anything to do in their lives but staying in front of a keyboard hitting the same keys the whole day for months.

But if my hopes in the mental sanity of GW players are true, acquiring a title with FFF or HFF will always be something limited to a very small minority of nerds.
I don't think it will become so popular, as I said in one of my earlier posts the amount of time required is 40-50 times what required for LB or SS for instance.

And anyway, is there a saviour who maxed only with ABs and has never - never - gained any points from FFF?


The main problem from a PvE-only player's point of view are the PvE only skills linked to the title, this is simply a wrong game design from A.net.

As long as there are PvE skills linked to the faction ranks, skills that have a very significant effect on gameplay, any nerfing at all to any means of attaining faction is something I don't care for. Really this reflects on how stupid of a decision Anet made adding PvE skills linked to those title tracks, but as long as its there with its incredibly high requirements faction farming needs to stay. If anything AB's should get a boost to get people to do them more often. If PvE skills were made to be not linked to title progression I would consider nerfing FF in some way. Besides, lets face it AB's are so pathetic there isn't any real 'prestige' attached to winning them, don't go crying over any 'devalueing' of the title, it was worthless in the first place.

It's always meant that.

SotK just means that for a good 700 hours, you have have no life.
It's the most grinding activity you can do in guild wars.

It shouldn't be nerfed for that reason though.

By the way, no one has AB'd SotK.

NOT acceptable to you maybe..its a repeatable quest that has been there from beginning of Factions...i never fully understand how people can make these threads..what other people do with there time is there business..
/not signed

The same here for me /notsigned.

Go go go Sins Alliance before it disbanded!

/notsigned

Okay why are you complaining again? It's a good way to get some faction in a short time, Have a good think then try it again.

to skanvak, it's simple :

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T DO IT