Wintersday Contest!

Shakkara

Shakkara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

W/

*gets to drawing*

More contests are good! And fun!

Don't whine and complain, if you don't like it, just pass on it, there will be something else you like in the future

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

----I HAVE EDITED MY POST----
i think it would be for the best if i deleted my ideas. some of you already read them
I can't be bothered to this design but ill tell u a good design would be an emperor penguin cap

Inniss

Inniss

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

Bendigo - Australia

Search For Gwen Foundation

E/Mo

Yay! Just the inspiration I needed to get some drawing done. I would prefer a finalist prize, but it'd be a big self-confidence boost to see my work in-game.

Always fun looking at all the creative entries when they get put up on the competition page too. I'm still chuckling a bit from the Charr dressed as Gwen plushie.

Saraphim

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

Might actually enter this one for a change, although I already have an Antec 900 case anyway.

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

Is it for idea or for the result?

as in if i draw a bad picture (with my crayons), while another guy has same idea but brilliant artistic value will he get the win on that alone?

and is it one hat for BOTH or 1 hat each? as in dwayna and grenth hat or 1 hat for dwayna and one for grenth?

Big_Iron

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Stick figures are more than fine.
Good to know. I'm in then. Though, I'm sure the same idea will be submitted by about 1000 other people...but you never know.

Smile Like Umean It

Smile Like Umean It

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

And guys, while a nicely drawn graphic is appreciated, the real point is to get your ideas across so that the artists can take it from there. Stick figures are more than fine.
And I'm back in the running!

lakatz

lakatz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmithyBen
Perhaps a [edited out]?
....................................lol no offence to [edited out] but wouldnt that be creepy, still a great idea. Will have a whole town of [edited out] running around. A [edited out] hat would also rule. OMG I CANT ENTER but someone has got to send in an entrance for [edited out]!!
[edited out] !!!

C'MON PEOPLE [edited out] FTW!!!! enter the idea please. i dont care if i dont get recognition. this idea has got to happen
You're coming up with some good ideas. Not that I'm keen on encouraging the competition, but you should really pull out your stick figure drawing kit and get these ideas down and send them in yourself.

EDIT: I've edited out the ideas SmithyBen presented in the post I quoted since he's entering the contest after all!

Darksun

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
artists should boycott these "contests" to make the developers pay real illustrators who make a living at this what they're worth, instead of seeking out freebies from hobbyists.
You have reached the height of ignorance. If you had ANY concept whatsoever of how much talent the Artist at ANET have, you'd beat yourself for saying that.

As Mordakai pointed out, ANET has other professional artist going ga-ga with their concept art.

you're talking out your ass.

Kha

Kha

Sins FTW!

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Angel Sharks [AS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette
but if you really think that they are doing this to save any money, then dont enter and save them even more money by not haveing to judge your pic
Yes people, listen to these words! The less there is to judge, the better my chances are. I already sent my drawing in and now I must wait patiently for what will feel like an eternity. I'm still heartbroken my weapon design didn't do good but I have hopes for my Wintersday hat!

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lakatz
You're coming up with some good ideas. Not that I'm keen on encouraging the competition, but you should really pull out your stick figure drawing kit and get these ideas down and send them in yourself.
Shame i can't though. I dont like giving my address and stuff out

maybe i could enter? doubt id actually win. I could be honourable mention and end up getting a access code ...hm.

EDITTT!!!
They only send stuff in mail if you win don't they? theyd probably be some other winner than me. ive just drawn 4 designs which i think are great. im crap at drawing but they look funny. especially with bad colouring. BTW i deleted my ideas from earlier in the post because its good if people came uip with there own ideas and not copy mine.
the person who quoted me could remove what i wrote lol i would be very greatful. ok ive done loads designs. which one to send. I will upload all the ones i have left on wintersday,

BTW i cant remember if it was mentioned but could we please not have the winner announced until the actual hat giving. This would make the hat more of a surprise.

EDIT AGAIN:
Hey people at Anet if your reading this I hope you like my submission ive just sent. The look on your faces will be priceless when you see it. I also made loads of other things. Shame its one entry per person. Ill just have to upload the rest on the forum of where people usually post after a contest has finished

drago34

drago34

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

California

Looking for good PvE guild ...

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
One of the artists predicted someone would say this.

This is not an evil ploy to exploit the masses to get "free art." This contest is taking a LOT of machinations on our part to fit it into the artists schedule. In truth, we already have a Grenth hat designed and ready to go. But in order to offer this opportunity, because we thought it would be cool and inclusive (and because several players had suggested it) the art team is willing to look over probably hundreds of entries and use one entered by a player, rather than the already-completed, already "paid for" art.

It is far, far more time-consuming, difficult, and expensive--in time and in actual dollars--for us to offer this contest than to simply do it ourselves.

Your post is truly unfair.
@Gaile: How do you not lose it with all the crap that gets thrown your way whenever you guys try to do something nice or special for the community?

On topic-ish: I think that this is something cool for the community, people always complain about what they would have liked to see as masks. Instead of complaining draw it and send it in. If you can't draw then why do you honestly care whether or not this contest exists? Don't participate if you don't like it or want to, no one is forcing you to. So if you don't like it don't do it but at the same time you don't need bitch about it. I swear this community seems like it has turned so negative about everything.
/endrant

Now to end on a positive note haha. I have no artistic talent but my brother on the other hand is an amazing artist so I'm going to make sure I tell him about this. Thanks for the opportunity.

Posting at 2:00 in the morning= lots of errors lol.

Nian

Nian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Finland

R/

I haven't entered any official contests so far...so this might be interesting. I really like Grenth and Wintersday is probably my favourite ingame holiday. Great Horns of Grenth are also my favourite party hat to date! Wonder if I can come up with something relating to the history before Exodus. That could be interesting. And I hope by no means does the GW team and Gaile think that we don't appreciate these contests 'cause we really do! Not all of us think negatively or think that we are being used infact I lollered when I read that... XD

I personally also appreciate that the GW team does not nessecarily look at skill in technique but rather the visions that people have, the ideas and the whole product. People often miss this point. It's not about your artistic talent and often I see a variety of people with different "levels of talent" being chosen as inspiration. Which is exactly the right attitude I would expect from Anet team. People with a vision should not be afraid to make their vision a reality using any means nessecary. Anet is one of the only few game companies around that I find actually "listens to fans". It may be a rough course sometimes because people LOVE to complain but I hope this company never changes their attitude toward game making. :]

P.S. Having typos sometimes is not something to be scorned about. I think it's funny. It shows that people write the articles and it actually makes me feel more comfy to be around because people make mistakes, it's only natural.

ValaOfTheFens

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Warrior Nation[WN]

I'm entering this one. Wintersday is one of my fav events and designing the Grenth hat would be pretty cool. I'm glad drawing skill isn't a big factor. Though my design isn't exactly rocket science.

Trub

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

I'm really excited to see what comes from this!
Alot of the players in the GW community are VERY creative...this is going to be good!!!
Hop to it guys! (and gals!)

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

this is gonna be fun

CHunterX

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

Why isn't this on the Announcements Screen at the Login?

Nian

Nian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Finland

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Mmmmhmmm...anyone else want to kiss Anet's tailside?

Sorry, I just don't agree with it. I've seen way too many companies skip good talent(not my own, I have no talent in this field) just to save a dime and go with some undercharging twit just doing it for fun, and end up getting garbage material way too late for them to fix their goof.

Sure, I don't have to do it. I won't do it. I wouldn't do it if I had the talent. If someone else wants to do it for free, that's fine...but I feel that anyone with any talent shouldn't spend one minute on free work for any profitable business, whether it'll be directly used to generate profit or not. To do so would be to disenfranchise those who do this kind of work for a living. Just because they pay an art staff, doesn't mean anything. Putting ideas down on paper out of thin air is different from taking that original idea and putting it into tangible code for a game. I'll stand by my belief though that this miniscule payment of bits and bytes on a computer server that will likely be gone forever in a few years for original work is just a bit too hard to swallow.

Jaded, maybe. Ignorant...nah. That title is reserved for the blind fanbois I see on this site bending over to kiss the feet of Gaile Gray every chance they get...sorry guys, but Gaile is merely being paid to keep you guys happy with the "personal attention" you're getting from Anet staff. It's called PR. They get paid to pour honey into your ear while the company is removing cash from your pocket.

I'll pose a question to you guys:

How often does Anet do something for their playerbase like this without expecting anything in return? Sure they're a business, businesses make money. But saying this then saying that they don't mean to swindle artists out of their intellectual property is hypocrisy. Ok, maybe that was a little unfair and unbalanced...but either they're a business and are in it merely to make money, or they give free stuff away to the player base. Which is it? Surely not the latter. the asura, destroyer, ceratadon(don't tell me that free online magazine didn't pay Anet for the ability to give away a mini in-game, which in turn netted them thousands and thousands of new potential readers in under a week), all the other mini giveaways all required something of yours to obtain in return. I don't expect free stuff, but don't expect me to give something worth much more than a mini asura in an online fantasy game for free that can directly be used to create a feature in said profitable game.

They're just playing the kiddies who really don't see the idea of intellectual property as a tangible thing that can be potentially profitable. They offer up something that people go ga-ga for in the game, and merely require a submission of VALUABLE original idea and intellectual property, of course signing over full rights to said material. If they truly were an evil company, they could use that specific style (assuming it's not stick-art) to claim right to any other "derivative work" that artist does that resembles the work done for this company and now owned by this company unequivocably in full according to the contract one agrees to when a submission is made.

I feel that response about even stick-art being acceptable is merely a knee-jerk response from the PR crew to discredit my opinion. Not specifically MY opinion...I'm not paranoid...but the opinion of any naysayer who may have the brains to point out something like this. She even said they thought this concern would be brought up...why would they expect this concern if it wasn't a valid one? If it's a concern the art department was able to think of, then it's a valid concern. "What if someone says this?" "Well just tell them this and all the loyal thoughtless sheeple player kiddies out there will instantly agree with us, the Generous art department of a profitable company giving them a free Mini Asura(or a possible Mini Oni, big e-buckeroos there kids)."
I'm sure you also understand that organizing a fan competition like this is not exactly about "using free talent". Naturally this competition will only create more work for the team instead of making it easier... If you have ever glimpsed at the official GW art releases the team has put up on Conceptart.org forums you should be aware that the last thing the GW team is lacking is ideas and concepts. Usually the actual employees would work under very strict guidelines when creating a new ingame element. Most of them are most likely either capable of rendering 3D or experienced with the process to be able to understand it and produce an element that will also work in the actual 3D environment. What about us fans? We are purely ignorant of such guidelines and factors! We just do whatever we wanna! It's the problem of the GW team to actually re-design the element to fit the actual game environment. That equals more work and time wasted than just letting someone who already has the better knowledge to just do it. Please don't undermind this.


I'm not just some kiss-ass fool however.
I am personally WELL aware of how it's commonplace that artists and designers are being tricked into signing unfair contracts demanding them to give up all their rights to their work and even digital rights nowdays. And companies will and do resort to telling these artists that they can always get some student to do it for them for free if you don't do it. Big companies DO take advantage of poor designers, unemployed artists, ignorant ones, students etc. to get work done for almost free and designers nowdays are probably not respected as much as they might have been in the past. This is fact. It's also a fact that there are a lot of artists out there who have no clue about their rights and do get taken advantage of this way. I have seen quite a few of these types of "contests" even where a company basically wants students to design something VERY important for them for a low one-time fee(contest price) and then the company will go on using these hot logos and designs for YEARS without ever having to pay royalties to the original creator. I get these emails almost daily...I'm a (media/graphics/3D)student afterall. And I admit they are tempting for a little pocket money! But usually I'm too busy and I just ignore it all. Accepting such deals does damage not only to yourself but other artists aswell. Don't think I don't know this.


However I see no connection here and in this particular contest organized by GW staff. I really don't and I'm definatelly a natural skeptic. The kind of rip-off contests are always much more demanding and blatant than what this contest is at all. We are only lead with a vague "it's wintersday and grenth themed" guideline and basically we can do just about anything in any medium we choose. They are not going to be using it without some work and effort from their part, it's not free for them.

Kha

Kha

Sins FTW!

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Angel Sharks [AS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Jaded, maybe.
Jaded? Definitely. You admit to having no talent in this field - don't try to judge and understand why those that do like to enter stuff like this. It's not like they're asking for us to design them a whole realm/area to sell as an expansion. It's a contest to design a simple hat for Wintersday. Sure, plenty of big businesses take advantage of free artists and their work. Big businesses are always trying to take advantage of others. Just because you may not like ANet or GW, doesn't mean they are like that.

Plenty of people have seen nothing wrong with these contests to think that ANet is here to steal all of our artwork. Don't assume everyone is ignorant and needs the guidance of a messenger like you to bring them to the light. You make it sound like you "care" about young artists, when really your post is nothing but bashing ANet and other companies/businesses.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHunterX
Why isn't this on the Announcements Screen at the Login?
Well, the reason it's not on that screen is that it's not an in-game opportunity. Generally we reserve the log-in announcements for game-related things. However, we have a new element going into the game that will allow us to communicate some of these things within the game and I did write up a bit about the Wintersday contest for that. Watch for the new announcer-thingie in a few days.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Mini Kanaxai to the winner. Typical.

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

Shame its only one entry lol but ofcourse that makes it fair. Just wait untill i post all my other ideas on the forum at the announcment.

Mr. G

Mr. G

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

S. Wales

Mo/Me

looks fun imo, people say "ZOMG prizes Sux" but you could give me a bucket of mini's - id rather see my designed (or something based on it) worn by a pile of people

also GG gaile for not quoting the most positive post for once ^^

Corwin_Andros

Corwin_Andros

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

W/E

My only real concern with this whole contest is that if by some chance, my hat wins, that I'll be able to play the day the hats are given out and be able to actually get one for myself. I wasn't able to play that day last Wintersday, so I missed out on the hats all together. I'd hate to miss out on a chance at getting my own design inspired hat for my characters..lol

As for all the ruckus going on in this thread, I will never understand all the negativity people feel the need to spew out when it comes to these contests. A-net is taking advantage, teh prizes are teh suxxors.. blah blah blah.

I mean come on folks.. How cool is it that you might have something you did the concept for turn up in a game you love? For me, that alone would be prize enough. I thought it was fun that my name turned up as a NPC for the Halloween event, however unintentional that was.. Me and my kids and friends all got a kick out of it. This just kicks it up to a whole different level.

Granted its not like I'll turn down any prizes that might come my way, but they really are just icing on the cake, so to speak. The sponsored prizes are really nice. The minis are a nice thing too, although I could care less about the "value" of such things. If I like it I keep it, if not I might sell it or give it away. Doesn't really matter to me if it is a Kanaxai or Asura mini. I don't hold one to be more precious than any other.

I entered because it was a fun contest and I actually had an idea for once and a few minutes to throw a sketch together. Can't wait to see which entries win though. Honestly I'm hoping for something that isn't a new set of horns though.

CHunterX

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Well, the reason it's not on that screen is that it's not an in-game opportunity. Generally we reserve the log-in announcements for game-related things. However, we have a new element going into the game that will allow us to communicate some of these things within the game and I did write up a bit about the Wintersday contest for that. Watch for the new announcer-thingie in a few days.
Well then why aren't game updates in the log-in announcements. Surely you agree they are game-related things. I'd like to see some use gotten out of this currently barren black box!

Angelica

Angelica

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Aussie land

Me/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosyfiep
-snip- ...................I entered my suggestion here for the hat for wintersday, if anyone wants to use it go ahead.....I dont have the time to get a picture up and running before the deadline (nor do I have photoshop to do it on, so I would need to mail it in as well.....and the usps is well known for its inability to get things to where they need to be when its supposed to get there). So under the constraints of this contest I am not going to spend my few free hours working on it. (my mom's 80'th bday is much more important to me right now....and its on thanksgiving so I need to get my butt in gear for that!)

good luck to the one who wins.
*bold is my doing -

You do not need to have photoshop or any other programs! I entered contest with only pencil drawings or ink drawing and I got honorable and finalist.
If you do not like the contest for any reason, simple ..... do not enter it!

Beside Gaile is a very nice person who really cares about us she helped me when I did not receive my prize by snail-mail .... she sent it to me again.

I do not live in the USA but much far from that! I will remember her kindness for ever.

/Angelica

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

I can't draw to save my life, but I'm still going to send something in. It's really not my fault I can't put the idea into picture-perfect form, but the idea itself counts for something.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillyWonky
I want to back up my previous post with some positive just to show where I'm coming from. I think these contests are great. They provide interactivity with us the customers and gives us the chance to win prizes, recognition and they're just plain fun. These contests are just plain awesome.
The number of entries surely seems to support that. And the quality of the entries does, as well.

As to the choices, I'm sorry that you take issue with the winners. I'm still not at all sure why making a costume that is an exact duplicate of a Guild Wars armour is any different than making a drawing that is an exact duplicate of Guild Wars armour. Copying? It's all "copying" to some degree. But you know what? I don't want to get into that subject again. Let's agree to disagree on that.

What each person calls "art," and what each of us likes, is very subjective. I don't happen to like Picasso much, but I acknowledge and respect that the world--or a large number of knowledgable people in the world--considers him genious. I do like other artists whom others have never heard or who some would consider "not so great." I'm not sure I'm wrong in that; I just have different taste.

It's hard to take complaints about the judging to heart, or to act upon them, when so many who complain either entered and hoped to win, or had a friend enter, or have their own prejudices or preconceived notions. I'm sorry, but really -- there are very few impartial judges in the community itself. At the end of the day, we have about 150 people who are invited to judge the art, and I do trust them to be pretty darn impartial -- certainly none of them are hoping for a prize or for a friend's placement -- and to bring expertise to the assessment that most cannot offer. They know several things, (1) what is a good idea, (2) what can be implemented reasonably into the game, and most importantly, (3) what best fits or best represents the game world that the judges have created.

I want you to know I'm working on other means to judge these contests, but so farm for reasons outside my control, we're not able to offer those alternatives quite yet. I'll look forward to that option in the future, though, and I think you'll approve, too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken
I can't draw to save my life, but I'm still going to send something in. It's really not my fault I can't put the idea into picture-perfect form, but the idea itself counts for something.
Yes, it's ok to do that. As I mentioned, we're not seeking art for art's sake. The images that are submitted can't be used as they come to us, anyway. So a basic idea is more than fine, and thanks.

Lord Sojar

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

Go me! Need that Kanaxai for ze moneys! GO GO

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillyWonky
And that's exactly what I'm saying. Making a costume that's exactly the same as the ingame armor is no different than just someone copying someone else's art. The only thing is that it was Halloween and people dress up in Halloween. How is that original?
Ok, I'm really sorry, but I'm not going to just let this go unanswered, because there's been no response to my question. I'll rephrase it:

Artist 1 takes a screenshot of a Necromancer armor and submits a wallpaper.

Artist 2 sees the Necromancer armour and, using our art, creates a costume.

They are both exactly the same in every detail. They are both based 100% on Guild Wars art. They are not original, or unique to that artist. Anyone can build a costume, yes, but not as well as some of those that were entered. Anyone can take a screenshot and compile a wallpaper, but not as well as some who entered.

Both artists are using our art to create an entry. One is on paper; another is in fabric. Why is a screenshot of our art more "artistic" than a costume? A drawing or a wallpaper could be done in an hour or two. The costume might take ten times as long to execute. So what is the source of this snobbish "My wallpaper -- using 100% Guild Wars screenshots and tacking on a few words in a standard font -- is more 'artistic' than the person who moved to an entirely different medium and created something representing Guild Wars?"

Is it because it's on paper or on the screen? Because art is, somehow, only in two dimensions? Someone takes our art, in two dimensions, and makes an entry, in two dimensions. I would argue that someone taking our art, in two dimensions, and transferring it faithfully to three dimensions could be called the greater "artist."

And no one has ever given me a decent explanation for why a screenshot or a drawing is "more artistic" than a costume, when both are using Guild Wars art from beginning to end. When the theme is Halloween -- and the first thing that most people think of is "costumes" when thinking of Halloween -- a creatively-designed costume is the epitome of the melding of Guild Wars into a Halloween theme.

wu is me

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillyWonky
My issue was that neither of those use any creativity at all. It's just simply copying a design. I even stated that the winning entries did not follow the creative melding of GW and Halloween.

Now please read again. COPYING IS NOT CREATIVE NO MATTER THE MEDIUM. That's my point.
Lol... just because its copied doesn't mean its not "artistic" =p

Consider Michaelangelo's David.
It's most striking feature is how closely its proportions match that of a real, "Ideal" man.
Essentially, a copy =P yet undoubtably one of the most prominent works of art in history.

Nian

Nian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Finland

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillyWonky
And that's exactly what I'm saying. Making a costume that's exactly the same as the ingame armor is no different than just someone copying someone else's art. The only thing is that it was Halloween and people dress up in Halloween. How is that original?

Absolutely no creativity for someone to just make a costume and dress up. Sure it takes time and skill to make a costume but so does most things in this world. Where is the creative "melding of Guild Wars and Halloween"? I'd much rather have someone who can only draw stick figures but came up with a creative concept or idea, but the idea winner should be one who has both good concept and good execution. Yes, I'm an art snob.

But it's your contest. I just wanted to state my opinions but I still think you're doing a great thing here having these contests.
You haven't got a clue what kind of trouble goes into costume making. It's not so much about copying because you can't just directly copy an unrealistic 3D element with no seams whatsoever and suddenly make it appear irl. Costume making is one of the more time consuming and difficult crafts out there. First you have to draw examples from the game but change them to realistic measures. Then you have to go on making patterns for all the parts, measuring millimeter by millimeter. You have to adapt patterns of different kind of clothes that have nothing to do with the costume you are making and make it work with it. You have to know a great deal about fabrics and all the materials you are going to use and you have to actually go out hunting for these materials that are likely hard to come by. Bringing something 3D or drawn into reality is so far from simply "copying". It's a craft and skill to making it "as similiar as possible" but never identical. Allt his requiring hours upon hours of work. Drawing is SOOOoooooooo much more easier and painless!

I simply will never understand people who think making even a crappy costume is something easy and is just copying. It's anything but. If it was so easy we'd all be costumers... Please just give it a rest or make your argument point out something other than the "copying" part.

I used to study fashion design and was on my way to becoming a seamstress but I QUIT due to incredibly overbearing stress, responsibility, workload and crap knowing that the work would not be appreciated and that I would have to start my own business to survive and work my ass off. I've come to respect costumers and I'm certain only those who really love it proceed to work with it. Drawing, 3D-animating, Graphic design, web design is all simply so much more easier, more stressfree and laid back! No joke.


I should just stop reading this stupid section of the forums what with everyone having something stuck between their teeth...

Perynne

Perynne

Site Contributor

Join Date: Oct 2006

Finland

Runners of the Rose [RR]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillyWonky
But if you're simply just copying a design for the clothing then there is no creative process. It's just building something. This applies to ANY medium not just costuming. Now I hope you actually took the time to read all this carefully before you get all defensive about me supposedly ripping on your precious fashion design.
You've picked the wrong contest to gripe over then. The Guild Wars contests are about the game, therefore they have elements from the game in them. The contests basically ARE fanart contests, giving you a chance to use Guild Wars related things in a creative way. Notice I used the word "creative" in relation to fanart... fanart (meaning copying parts of an existing product/idea/whatever) can be original and have tons of creative process involved in it.
Nian just made a good point about the creative process of bringing an ingame armor into real life. There is no ready-made pattern for you to cut, no materials that Anet has graciously listed for us to make our costumes out of. Also, drawing characters from ingame into totally different settings is not just a matter of cut-and-paste. It's hard mimicking the design made by another person, and you still have to think about composition, lighting, colours, background, theme, style... to me, that looks a lot like a creative process, even if it did begin from a concept created by someone else.

Tell me, how would you make something totally original, that would still be identifiable as Guild Wars? Design a new armor? You'd still be copying their character class. Create a pumpkin carving using a Guild Wars enemy as the theme? Still copying something from ingame.

I would totally understand this debate if it was about a 100% ORIGINAL contest, where you don't have a whole game world as the basis for the creation. However, in this case it's a contest hosted by a company about their own game, in which I'm pretty sure they're expecting to see fanart.
I think you are the one who has problems with reading comprehension, since you seemed to miss the entire point of the contest being about Guild Wars.

Rawraslan1121

Rawraslan1121

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Hall of the Necronomican

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/creativity
creativity :the ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods, interpretations, etc.; originality, progressiveness, or imagination

Interpret that :O

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Ok, I'm really sorry, but I'm not going to just let this go unanswered, because there's been no response to my question. I'll rephrase it:

Artist 1 takes a screenshot of a Necromancer armor and submits a wallpaper.

Artist 2 sees the Necromancer armour and, using our art, creates a costume.
hey there Gaile, sorry to barge in your conversation like this but you forgot Artist number 3 who made an entire 3D sculpture that looks perfect. no offence to the Grand Prize winner, the holiday spirit are all there in every piece submitted, everyone is enjoying the contest, but when an entry stands out like the one in the link and did not get the grand prize.... people will question.

solutions: make them go under category next time, sculpture, costume, wallpaper (screenshot), drawing, painting.. songs, poem, story....

lakatz

lakatz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
hey there Gaile, sorry to barge in your conversation like this but you forgot Artist number 3 who made an entire 3D sculpture that looks perfect. no offence to the Grand Prize winner, the holiday spirit are all there in every piece submitted, everyone is enjoying the contest, but when an entry stands out like the one in the link and did not get the grand prize.... people will question.

solutions: make them go under category next time, sculpture, costume, wallpaper (screenshot), drawing, painting.. songs, poem, story....
Hi Pumpkin pie...

Sorry to barge on in your barging in on Gaile's conversation, but...

Art is probably the most subjective area of interest to 'judge'. Judges of art are a lot like the three blind people in the Chinese fable describing an elephant based on touch. The three blind people each touched different parts of the elephant, leg, tail and trunk, and each gave a totally different description, and each description, though different, was correct.

I understand you think that's an outstanding sculpture, but I'm not as impressed with it as you are. I think it deserves honorable mention because of the amount of work and attention to detail that went into it, but all that work doesn't make it "art" to me. It's way too cutesy for my taste, and I see it as more craft than art.

And that's what I'm talking about. Different strokes for different folks. Just because the judges have different tastes and different approaches to judging than you doesn't make them wrong and you right... and it doesn't make them right and you wrong either.

TwinRaven

TwinRaven

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

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I'm thinking about entering, but I'm still kinda bumming about not seeing my Design-a-Weapon entry in game yet....6 months! I'm not sure I'll see it at all...I get a little miffed thinking they can get a hat in game in weeks, yet 1/2 a year later and only what...three weapons in game? I keep hoping they will put them in in some update (Sorrow's Furnace style) but I'm getting discouraged. The T-shirt, character slot and pins were cool and all...but the REAL prize is seeing your work in game. If a hat makes it in game from a contest before those weapons do...I'm wondering why...<end fussiness>

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinRaven
I'm thinking about entering, but I'm still kinda bumming about not seeing my Design-a-Weapon entry in game yet....6 months! I'm not sure I'll see it at all...I get a little miffed thinking they can get a hat in game in weeks, yet 1/2 a year later and only what...three weapons in game? I keep hoping they will put them in in some update (Sorrow's Furnace style) but I'm getting discouraged. The T-shirt, character slot and pins were cool and all...but the REAL prize is seeing your work in game. If a hat makes it in game from a contest before those weapons do...I'm wondering why...<end fussiness>
As I have said, repeatedly, the items will be added. We never gave a timeline, with intent, because we knew we'd be working nose down on the BMP plus other things as well, and in addition we wanted to see if we could do a bit more than simply throw them all into the game.

I've talked to John, and we anticipate that these items will start appearing after Wintersday.

TwinRaven

TwinRaven

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

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^^Thanks, Gaile...I had a hard time finding any specifics. This is the only quote I could find: "The Design-A-Weapon winners are not yet in the game. It's really that simple, and it's exactly as we said in the contest information. The weapons will be added, and we have some fun ideas for that, so look for that in the future." -G.G.

...I'm mid-migraine, so forgive the whiny tone..."After Winters Day"....good enough answer for me (was feeling sad and forgotten)...As for mentioned repeatedly....sorry I didn't see where. *frantically searches for info on how to remove both feet from mouth* (didn't realize others were fussy before me)....You know I still love you right? In a platonic, never-met-you, but appreciate what you do kind of way...*I needed a hug*...agree completely with the "not heaping them all in at once" btw...what good is a buffet if you only get one visit?

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinRaven
^^Thanks, Gaile...I had a hard time finding any specifics. This is the only quote I could find: "The Design-A-Weapon winners are not yet in the game. It's really that simple, and it's exactly as we said in the contest information. The weapons will be added, and we have some fun ideas for that, so look for that in the future." -G.G.

...I'm mid-migraine, so forgive the whiny tone..."After Winters Day"....good enough answer for me (was feeling sad and forgotten)...As for mentioned repeatedly....sorry I didn't see where. *frantically searches for info on how to remove both feet from mouth* (didn't realize others were fussy before me)....You know I still love you right? In a platonic, never-met-you, but appreciate what you do kind of way...*I needed a hug*...agree completely with the "not heaping them all in at once" btw...what good is a buffet if you only get one visit?
Yes, TR, all is well between us.

I've been hit with the question in nearly every in-game chat, so I guess my comment about "answering repeatedly" is referring to posts, wiki pages, and those visits, too. And yep, I do appreciate they are not always logged, and are even less likely to include such references in a synopsis, so I'm sorry if you've missed earlier comments, and I think we're good to now, right? *passes Cookies of Friendship platter*