Am I A Noob For This Build?

Splitisoda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

STALKER!

Not in One

N/A

Ok so i was abing and then when i came across an assassin he called me a noob because my build made me survive through his like shadow prison build or something and i killed him shortly after.

This is the build (my first time posting i dont know how to get skill pics)
Avatar of Balt
Heart Of Fury
Zealous Renewal
Vital Boon
Mystic Regeneration
Mystic Vigor
Watchful Intervention
Faithful Intervention

Equipment:
Wind Prayers 0
Mysticism 9+3 (12)
Scythe Mastery 9+3 (12)
Earth Prayers 12 + 2 + 1 (head) (15)
Scythe 20/20 Enchant Last 20% longer 15% more damage while enchanted
I have 35 energy so you need the rune that gives +2 energy and the insig that gives energy as much as possible...
Notes About Build:
While Running This You Have...
+100 Max Hp,
+28hp regen
+25 hp per hit
33% attack faster
+40 armor, and run 33% faster
Holy Damage

Good Things:
Major heal
Can live for a bit
Faithful + Watchful also help a bunch while taking ltos of heat

Bad Things :
Only 320 base hp
Run out of energy, although zealous is in for that..
Enchantment killers.....

So am i a noob for this build? Cause i know it has weaknesses in there, so am i?

Anata

Anata

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

Pimpin Krickitz [pk]

Mo/

AB is full of people who get angry when they can't kill someone. Which in this case, are the sins. Your build.. ehh seems to be full of heavily defense but it has no real offensive skills. But I don't believe someone is a noob because he is full of defense and no offense. Its just a person's style and as long as you can survive or kill, then your job in AB is completed.

You are only a noob in AB when you don't understand the importance of capping.

Splitisoda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

STALKER!

Not in One

N/A

Well, heres the case with my build. I can catch up to them, and the second i do i wack em. Without attack skills the highest i ever hit with this build was 90 i think? the 15% damage increase + 20% for custom really pays off.

Blobbe Tropper

Blobbe Tropper

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Netherland, Groningen

Dynasty Warriors

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anata
You are only a noob in AB when you don't understand the importance of capping. i totally agree, this is your style.. so if you are aware of the importance of capping, you aren't a noob!

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitisoda
Ok so i was abing and then when i came across an assassin he called me a noob because my build made me survive through his like shadow prison build or something and i killed him shortly after.
Regardless of any issues with your build, there's no excuse for whining. If that Assassin weren't a noob himself, he would've switched targets when he realized you weren't worth the effort it would take to kill you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitisoda
So am i a noob for this build? Cause i know it has weaknesses in there, so am i? I don't mean to be a jerk, but I'll be 100% honest with you: your build is bad. It did allow you to survive, but this is because you spent so much of your skill bar and attributes on defense, at the cost of nearly all of your DPS. Most Dervishes use no more than 8 Earth Prayers, because Mystic Regen hits +3 per enchantment at that point. Having tons of defense isn't going to help you out in PvP much as most experienced players will switch targets as soon as they see your defense, and single you out by obliterating your teammates while there's not much you can do to stop them.

A Scythe has the highest max damage of any martial weapon in the game... a Dervish's strength is in the raw damage they can put out. Reaper's Sweep + Mystic Sweep is a great combo. I've seen Reaper's by itself critical for 120's+ on 60 AL targets... that doesn't include the Deep Wound--which, followed by Mystic Sweep is a pretty scary combo.

Also, going into PvP with only 320hp is begging to get spiked to death. Most PvPers use nothing but minor runes, and occasionally a single Major. One Superior is...alright...but still kinda dangerous. Two Superiors and one Major might not be entirely suicidal in AB, but everywhere else its lethal.

However, I suppose its true that if you can cap in AB, you're useful and better than most. Its up to you, play what you find fun.

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

Well at least you took an IAS. That makes you not so bad.

But you really overloaded on defensive skills..

First of all, if you're one of those people who just must take an Avatar, [skill]Avatar of Dwayna[/skill] > [skill]Avatar of Balthazar[/skill] in AB.
Healing + hex removal > 40 useless armor that does nothing against a 'sin pike or degen. If you remove Shadow Prison that 'sin can't do anything except stare at you with a funny face. And you can solo shrines with it.

Use [skill]Mirage Cloak[/skill] for defense against Warriors and other dervs and stuff, they pretty much just run away and ignore you after you cast it. [skill]Watchful Intervention[/skill] for a self heal, and [skill]Pious Haste[/skill] or [skill]Dash[/skill] for running.
[skill]Heart of Fury[/skill] for an IAS, [skill]Mending Touch[/skill] or [skill]Signet of Malice[/skill] for condition removal.

Then use the rest for damage. [skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill] are nice.

Get AT LEAST 14 Scythe Mastery, that is with a minor. You can get away with a Major in AB.

Of course this is for AB, if you are in any organized place drop some defensive stuff for more spiking and offensive utility. But in AB Monks suck and you're on your own often so you do need defense. But don't overload on it...

- Tain -

- Tain -

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

[SMS]

R/

Sorry, I read the first skill on the list and that's enough... yes, it's a noob bar. Doesn't mean you're a noob necessarily, but use search to find one of the million threads that explain why AoB sucks balls. Try running Melandru with Wearying Strike, some IAS and maybe a speed boost. Immunity to conditions is big in AB, and that'll leave your bar open for a lot more damage.

moko

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

yes, fail. how exactly do you kill?

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

You are using Avatar of Balthazar.

Conclusion: yes you are a noob.

Performance Pudding

Performance Pudding

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

post ascalon

Over The [Wall]

W/

says dan the noob...
anyway i run a similar build except i have attacks...

btw if you have gwen shield of force pwns and if a sin ever comes at u just use it and there lead attack is pwned and they do no damage which means its time for frenzy btw i have mystic regen and all that good stuff that keeps a derv alive.

conclusion u arnt a noob since you can still kill and you can tank those damn eles that seem to pwn everyone else.

on average i get 20-30 kills cap 10+ shrines and have0-3 deaths in ab

pm if you want the build but ull probably say im a noob so w/e.

wow i kinda got off topic maybe...

Edit: just noticed the few guys above me.

AoM lasts for 2/3rds the time that AoB does so tehy get served when they dont have it up.

AoB has 40-20 seconds of down time gives armor and a speed boost.

mystic regen counters most conditions anyway.

and i hope this guy has mystic regen otherwise im a huge noob for not reading.

so ya 9-41 damage works for me since it can hit 3 targets at once plus some of his enchants hurt people.

wow i like pressing enter.

1 more thing dont say skills suck just say i dont like them

with an attitude like that it encourages more and more people to use wiki builds and not try new things making more people post about not liking gw anymore and then posting about how much they dont like gw and then people are like i dont like it either and noone wants that...

Sirius-NZ

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

D/

It looks rather like you tried to find every single defensive skill you could get your hands on. Which is rather odd. That and the HP loss you're taking from runes is bordering on the obscene, and I don't think it'll benefit you that much...

Instead of AoB, try something like [skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill] or [skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill] (Dwayna provides some benefits as well, especially against Mesmers and some Necros). If you want the armor, use [skill]Conviction[/skill], since it'll give you most of the benefit without paying so much for it. Mystic regen isn't a bad idea if you want survivability. Heart of Fury is a good idea in most circumstances too. But after that you're going to need some scythe attacks. Unless you're going purely defensive, for which you should probably be using a Warrior anyway.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Performance Pudding
some waffling Yeah.
Except AoB is actually a bad skill.
There are such things in GW; Healing Breeze, Flare, Power Shot - truly terrible skills where any other alternative is stronger. AoB is one of them.
Dan is correct.

blurmedia

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2007

UNCONTROLLABLE RAGE [moko]

no offence? And never use sup runes in pvp.. AB at least. (remember that dude in sin forums who ran 2 sup runes and had 300 base hp and said he was teh 0wn? I could not stop laughing)

AoM + wearying strike, chilling victory and victorious sweep is beautiful tbh.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Performance Pudding
says dan the noob... Hey so i'm not creative with my user names, gimme a break

Lhim

Lhim

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Rt/

I wouldn't care and bother with ppl calling you a noob, wether u kill them in AB or wether u use a certain build (in this case with AoB).
Maybe this particular build fits your playstyle, if you are comfortable and satisfied with this build, I wouldn't change it because some ppl here or anywhere else call you a noob. I would however try out some suggestions made in some constructive replies here. Maybe u'll be more comfortable with those. Only way to know is to try.

Splitisoda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

STALKER!

Not in One

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokone
yes, fail. how exactly do you kill? Ok, loads of people have so far said that AoB is nub.
Ill prove that it isnt in this build.

With him I dont have to use 2 skill slots, the stance for +24 armor and a speed boost. Now with him if i use Heart Of Fury, ill catch up to my enemy, and slash against my enemy with scythe. And i hit like 80s with regular attacks with an increased 33% attack speed, they die in seconds.

I am comfortable with this build, and even though i have about like 300 NORMAL hp with vital boon i get +100 max, which sums up to 400 hp.

The problem was i was going to use Dwayana, but then i would have 2 get an additional 2 skills for speed boost + armor.

Sides, when you live against a Shadow Prison build, it makes you feel a bit good

demonatx

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

We Rage [Quit]

W/Mo

you have no damage therefore u r a noob

lacasner

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

OP's build is the reason why I stay away from AB...his build is purely designated for capping and nothing more. But, does that make it good?

Washi

Washi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Maybe not a noob but NEWBIE yes.
First Balthazar isnt THAT bad but its a waste of elite since there are alot better skills.

Second:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitisoda
+28hp regen Regen is capped at +10

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitisoda
With him I dont have to use 2 skill slots, the stance for +24 armor and a speed boost.
While on the other hand my choice deserves it's status as "elite".

Quote: Now with him if i use Heart Of Fury, ill catch up to my enemy, and slash against my enemy with scythe. And i hit like 80s with regular attacks with an increased 33% attack speed, they die in seconds. Omigosh i'll use HoF too then. How does that prove balth isn't bad?

If you need a speed boost, without speccing wind, take pious haste. Whilst in battle i always prefer the snare of Crippling Sweep over any speed buff.

Quote: I am comfortable with this build, and even though i have about like 300 NORMAL hp with vital boon i get +100 max, which sums up to 400 hp. Well done. I have about 600 NORMAL hp and with vital boon that makes 700! Who wins?

Quote:
The problem was i was going to use Dwayana, but then i would have 2 get an additional 2 skills for speed boost + armor. You don't need extra armour. You don't need a mid-battle speedboost.

Quote:
Sides, when you live against a Shadow Prison build, it makes you feel a bit good If your not taken by surprise (or sometimes even if you are) a Dervish shouldn't die. You could have an intervention on, or those 1/4 sec enchants will save you anyways. (considering your build has BOTH interventions how could you possibly die to an SP spike?) I usually only use my EDA build in AB; slap him in the face with mystic sweep and its job done

Mist Walker Skarloc

Mist Walker Skarloc

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Gods Of The Hot [GotH]

P/W

Why the lack of attack skills? I see no Vow of Strength.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitisoda
Ok, loads of people have so far said that AoB is nub.
Ill prove that it isnt in this build.

With him I dont have to use 2 skill slots, the stance for +24 armor and a speed boost. Now with him if i use Heart Of Fury, ill catch up to my enemy, and slash against my enemy with scythe. And i hit like 80s with regular attacks with an increased 33% attack speed, they die in seconds.

I am comfortable with this build, and even though i have about like 300 NORMAL hp with vital boon i get +100 max, which sums up to 400 hp.

The problem was i was going to use Dwayana, but then i would have 2 get an additional 2 skills for speed boost + armor.

Sides, when you live against a Shadow Prison build, it makes you feel a bit good I liek to use blinding surge

o noes, u r blind?

how u kill me?

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitisoda
Ok, loads of people have so far said that AoB is nub.
Ill prove that it isnt in this build.

With him I dont have to use 2 skill slots, the stance for +24 armor and a speed boost. Now with him if i use Heart Of Fury, ill catch up to my enemy, and slash against my enemy with scythe. And i hit like 80s with regular attacks with an increased 33% attack speed, they die in seconds.

I am comfortable with this build, and even though i have about like 300 NORMAL hp with vital boon i get +100 max, which sums up to 400 hp.

The problem was i was going to use Dwayana, but then i would have 2 get an additional 2 skills for speed boost + armor.

Sides, when you live against a Shadow Prison build, it makes you feel a bit good You're not looking at the whole picture. Yes, AoB gives you "two skills in one," but you didn't really need those two in the first place. You can have 500+ hp before Vital Boon, do much more than 80 damage per critical hit, and still die less than you think you will by taking a better build. Surviving against SP assassins isn't really all that hard and doesn't mean much about your build.. your intervention enchantment(s) alone will do that much.

People say AoB is a horrible elite because it simply is. It gives you nothing remotely useful in a PvP setting that you can't get from a non-elite, and there's much better options for your elite slot.

e.g.
[skill]Reaper's Sweep[/skill][skill]Ebon Dust Aura[/skill][skill]Vow of Strength[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill]

Splitisoda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

STALKER!

Not in One

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I liek to use blinding surge

o noes, u r blind?

how u kill me? o noes, im just gonna have to rely on my regen, that 10% chance to hit, my +40 armor, and 200 healing when vital boon ends, and faithful and watchful intervention and i can always redo all these enchants. Im so doomed to you.

Bassu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Cracow, Poland.

D/

Basically, if you really want to run an avatar build in AB, your choice is either [skill]Avatar of Dwayna[/skill] or [skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill].

Personally, I'd go with Dwayna - there's nothing more pleasant than watching this poor SS Necro trying to hex you to death... ^^

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitisoda
o noes, im just gonna have to rely on my regen, that 10% chance to hit, my +40 armor, and 200 healing when vital boon ends, and faithful and watchful intervention and i can always redo all these enchants. Im so doomed to you. I don't think you quite understood me.

I can blind you.
My necro friend with strip your enchants
Then my warrior friend will eviscerate you.

My point was that you have no utility whatsoever. You have some regen, and some armor.

Nothing else.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I don't think you quite understood me.

I can blind you.
My necro friend with strip your enchants
Then my warrior friend will eviscerate you.

My point was that you have no utility whatsoever. You have some regen, and some armor.

Nothing else. Note that he also didn't mention condition removal in reply to your blinding

That really is a oh noes.

Sirius-NZ

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

D/

Another important thing to remember, especially for PvP: superior runes are not worth the HP loss. They just aren't.

You can get away with 1 major, maybe 2 if you really have to but I don't see why... try to keep your HP high - as a melee class you'll need it.

While you can't easily get the +40 armor boost of AoB with other skills, you can get somewhat close with Conviction, and you can actually maintain it! Otherwise, people will wait until AoB fades and then hit you.

- Tain -

- Tain -

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

[SMS]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
Otherwise, people will wait until AoB fades and then hit you. Or, in this case, just ignore you because you can't do shit for damage and are more easily shut down than a waffle.

Splitisoda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

STALKER!

Not in One

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I don't think you quite understood me.

I can blind you.
My necro friend with strip your enchants
Then my warrior friend will eviscerate you.

My point was that you have no utility whatsoever. You have some regen, and some armor.

Nothing else. And you will also have 3 people required to do this... And its not like enchantments cant be used once taken off...

Sirius-NZ

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

D/

...yeah, I suppose I would probably ignore an AoB. Usually go for the "squishy" targets first since they are the highest threat, then rangers/warriors/whatever... AoB tank wouldn't really register until everything else was dead.

blurmedia

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2007

UNCONTROLLABLE RAGE [moko]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I liek to use blinding surge

o noes, u r blind?

how u kill me?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitisoda
o noes, im just gonna have to rely on my regen, that 10% chance to hit, my +40 armor, and 200 healing when vital boon ends, and faithful and watchful intervention and i can always redo all these enchants. Im so doomed to you. Scrim. Now.

I but my money on bunny. more bets anyone?

Faena

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Snif

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitisoda
And you will also have 3 people required to do this... And its not like enchantments cant be used once taken off... Which is somehow strange is that you ask people if your build is good, and when they say that no, you don't listen and try to convince them without, I guess, even trying the other builds.

Survivability is of course really important in AB, moving speed is too. However killing speed is still important. You can't cap a shrine while NPCs are still alive, and well maybe you can cap shrines with your builds, but it will take so long to kill NPCs that the probability that some players come and kill you is really high.
Try to pack some more offense in your build, and think that bar compression is not the most important thing for Dervs in AB, 8 skill slots (and no rez needed) is just plenty for you to get some utility, some defense, and some offense. All you need is an IAS, a self-heal, a running skill, and 2 attacks (maybe including a snare). You still have room for armor increasing, condition dealing.
Then try to build with having everything, that will make you kill faster, survive just as well, and be a lot more flexible.

In a fight against players, your current build can completly negated by a monk casting RoF. Also a single cripple and you are completly useless, let alone a hex snare.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by blurmedia
Scrim. Now.

I but my money on bunny. more bets anyone? Yea me! Who needs farming when i can put bets on snow bunny to own him?

candyman_sb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I don't think you quite understood me.

I can blind you.
My necro friend with strip your enchants
Then my warrior friend will eviscerate you.

My point was that you have no utility whatsoever. You have some regen, and some armor.

Nothing else. Thats not fair, 3 vs 1.
But yeah, in a real team fight that derv is not even worth blinding unless you have nothing better to do.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
So am i a noob for this build? You're running a build that has no damage in AB, you're using AoB.... Well, yea!

Ok, let's take Grenz for example and see which shrine could you cap alone.
Mesmers- shatter ench and ur dead
Eles- you'll be dead before you'll get in the meele range
Rangers- maybe!
Necros- Desecreate Enchants, Faint, PB... GG
Warriors- healing sig > your "damage"
And Rez shrines- lol wut, you want to kill a monk? How?

So cool, you've got 33% faster running, shitty amount of hp, some regen and, well, what exactly is your role in AB? You just roun around, piss off some lame sp sins?

Splitisoda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

STALKER!

Not in One

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSephir
You're running a build that has no damage in AB, you're using AoB.... Well, yea!

Ok, let's take Grenz for example and see which shrine could you cap alone.
Mesmers- shatter ench and ur dead
Eles- you'll be dead before you'll get in the meele range
Rangers- maybe!
Necros- Desecreate Enchants, Faint, PB... GG
Warriors- healing sig > your "damage"
And Rez shrines- lol wut, you want to kill a monk? How?

So cool, you've got 33% faster running, shitty amount of hp, some regen and, well, what exactly is your role in AB? You just roun around, piss off some lame sp sins? Out of all those, i kill the mes, rangers, necros, and warriors, and sometimes monks unless there are 2.

- Tain -

- Tain -

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

[SMS]

R/

And how many hours did that take? Look... everyone here agrees that your build just plain sucks and many people have suggested better alternatives. Stop being defensive, try them - take some advice. We're not all wrong. And if you come here ASKING if your build is bad, only to refuse to see anyone else's point of view... looks pretty stupid, no?

Vulkanyaz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Well, the SP sin was right wasn't he? ^-^

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitisoda
Out of all those, i kill the mes, rangers, necros, and warriors, and sometimes monks unless there are 2. Alone? Hard to believe since warriors have healing signet, necros parasitic bond + faint and even 0.25 of a monk is enough to outlive this build