Am I A Noob For This Build?
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Mokone
yes, fail. how exactly do you kill?
Pray to god you're fighting low level undead?
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by - Tain -
And how many hours did that take? Look... everyone here agrees that your build just plain sucks and many people have suggested better alternatives. Stop being defensive, try them - take some advice. We're not all wrong. And if you come here ASKING if your build is bad, only to refuse to see anyone else's point of view... looks pretty stupid, no?
That's the problem with noobs in our society today. They think they know everything. They'll buy a game, put a shit build on a fansite and act like its teh bomb.
candyman_sb
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Originally Posted by Splitisoda
Out of all those, i kill the mes, rangers, necros, and warriors, and sometimes monks unless there are 2.
WTH are you talking about. With that build you cant solo cap the war shrine. Ever. They just outheal your dmg with healsig. You also can't cap the monk shrine. Though I agree you can cap the necro, ranger and mesmer shrines.....just very very very slowly.
Yanman.be
Someone go test it...gogo
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Yanman.be
Someone go test it...gogo
I'd rather not embarress myself infront of 23 other people + NPC's.
Sythius
People say Avatar since it halves physical dmg... (+40 armou does that). And the speed increase, and the holy dmg, menaing little cna defend against that, (Rangers have natural defenses to nature, Warriors have natural defenses to Phyiscal, etc, you get around every one of 'em..
All those that sya it sucks, are probably the ones who say 'nnob' when they get killed by someone. don't pay attention to them.
For good defense, just go AoB + Conviction, then bolster with Faithful Intervention + Mystic Vigor + Mystic Regen.
Then just decide on what you wantto go for after that.
Some people like being able to keep their energy up so use Lyssa's Assault, others like being able to do AoE dmg... etc..
All those that sya it sucks, are probably the ones who say 'nnob' when they get killed by someone. don't pay attention to them.
For good defense, just go AoB + Conviction, then bolster with Faithful Intervention + Mystic Vigor + Mystic Regen.
Then just decide on what you wantto go for after that.
Some people like being able to keep their energy up so use Lyssa's Assault, others like being able to do AoE dmg... etc..
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Sythius
Some waffling, pretty much wrong
AoB is bad.
AoB and Conviction don't stack.
Taking a bunch of survival enchants is also bad.
AoB and Conviction don't stack.
Taking a bunch of survival enchants is also bad.
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
AoB is bad.
AoB and Conviction don't stack.
Taking a bunch of survival enchants is also bad. Thanks for summing it up. I couldn't work out what he was trying to say.
Sythius, click here.
AoB and Conviction don't stack.
Taking a bunch of survival enchants is also bad. Thanks for summing it up. I couldn't work out what he was trying to say.
Sythius, click here.
Dean Harper
I personally despise AoB, and [skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill] and [skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill] and [skill]Avatar of Dwayna[/skill] are all much better, the best being AoM for ABs. No conditions for a minute! w00t!
Splitisoda
Ok, so if your all apparently gods at this game, give me a build, tell me the equipment and ill try it out, ill see whether it works or not.
Vulkanyaz
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Originally Posted by Splitisoda
Ok, so if your all apparently gods at this game, give me a build, tell me the equipment and ill try it out, ill see whether it works or not.
Have you not taken into consideration any of the build comments in the thread? ^.^
1) AoB is not the best elite skill you could be using.
2) Stop using so much defense.
3) Make a build that can actually kill things.
4) 320 base hp WTF?.
5) Make your own damn build, though it looks like you can't and that's why wiki exists.
From your OP you've used all your armour runes and insigs for nrg, which leaves you with FA health.
Use survivor insigs / vitae runes w/ a vig rune / whatever else and get at least 600 +/- hp and pack some heat in your build instead of making a virtual living sp-proof igloo.
I stopped playing AB a long time ago... Now I remember why
1) AoB is not the best elite skill you could be using.
2) Stop using so much defense.
3) Make a build that can actually kill things.
4) 320 base hp WTF?.
5) Make your own damn build, though it looks like you can't and that's why wiki exists.
From your OP you've used all your armour runes and insigs for nrg, which leaves you with FA health.
Use survivor insigs / vitae runes w/ a vig rune / whatever else and get at least 600 +/- hp and pack some heat in your build instead of making a virtual living sp-proof igloo.
I stopped playing AB a long time ago... Now I remember why
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Splitisoda
Ok, so if your all apparently gods at this game, give me a build, tell me the equipment and ill try it out, ill see whether it works or not.
It's all well and good if we give you a pro bar. But you'll just end up being an epic failure with it, then coming back here saying "this build sucks!!1"
CoonerTheRed
Wow. First, the OP posts a bad build. Some people (nice post, Marverick) provide helpful suggestions, and all is well. Then dan here comes in with:
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
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Conclusion: yes you are a noob.
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
It's all well and good if we give you a pro bar. But you'll just end up being an epic failure with it, then coming back here saying "this build sucks!!1"
Reading through a couple threads seems to indicate that there's more of this coming out of your mouth than the "expert strategy" you seem to think you possess...
I'd rather be a noob than an ass.
Wyat Hawke
Hey trolls, leave the guy alone. Give him another bar to run instead? Ever tried giving helpful tips and hints instead, in a constructive matter?
The build itself is bad, but don't just start flaming right away. He asks for a new bar, give him that instead. Let him go and realize it by himself. And Dan, stubbornness will neither help you, nor the OP... (of course, this is valid for the OP as well) ~ Dan ~
Right, Splitisoda, tell me an elite you want to run (excluding AoB, grenth and grenth's grasp) and i'll give you a bar.
CoonerTheRed, it's not like at first he deserved "helpful" posts. He brags about the build, which is crap, and then people tried giving him advice and tips. He throws it back and them, defending his shitty build. I'd rather be an arse than a noob AND an arse.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
CoonerTheRed, it's not like at first he deserved "helpful" posts. He brags about the build, which is crap, and then people tried giving him advice and tips. He throws it back and them, defending his shitty build.
I'd rather be an arse than a noob AND an arse. Well.. he did kinda post here asking if his build justified him being called a noob. *Points to thread title...* Splitisoda
I never wanted to brag,
I only stated that i was able to stand up against Shadow of prison which i normally didnt.
moko
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Originally Posted by CoonerTheRed
Wow. First, the OP posts a bad build. Some people (nice post, Marverick) provide helpful suggestions, and all is well. Then dan here comes in with:
Such a helpful post. Begin pointless flaming. Begin defensive drivel. Two pages later, we get such helpful posts as: Reading through a couple threads seems to indicate that there's more of this coming out of your mouth than the "expert strategy" you seem to think you possess... I'd rather be a noob than an ass.
don't you think it's his own problem for having that thread title? rather than "LOLZ IMA NOB?!?!?!?1ßß1" he could've just used "build - halp?".
Washi
It's very simple. If your build sux and you don't know how to improve it just go here ---> http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
After you learn how to play the game you can start improving builds and making your own, but that requires knowledge which you don't have.
- Tain -
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Originally Posted by Washi
glountz
The issue is that your build is completely self centered. In fact, you probably are one of this kind of players that leaves your group early to solo fight mobs. You're playing alone. For this very core reason, I never PuG in AB, always guild groups on TS. And guess what? We win most of the time.
If you played as a team, like you should in AB as you can choose your teammates, you should realize you don't need so much defense. Your monk / rit / whatever healer is there for that. He is better at this job that you will never be. So you're sacrificing your good dervish offense for crappy self defense. Would add that any rend enchant will screw you hard. If I encountered you with my guild group, I would just ignore you. You're not even the beginning of a threat. So in short, yes you are a noob, but that is because you think only by yourself and not as a team.
Washi
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Originally Posted by - Tain -
Unless it's a "push 1-8 in order" farming build, running someone else's build is a quick way to fail.
I disagree. For a new player it's so much easier and faster to get a good build and learn how to play it, learn game mechanics and battle behaviour without worrying about weather your skills are working or not.
Then when you are comfortable with pvp environment, you can start thinkin outside of the box. Thats faster and more efficient than struggling with builds from the start, and failing all the time. You don't know if your build sux or you just dunno how to play. I'm not talkin about "pr0" players that do nothing else in their life but play games and for them to adapt to a new one just means few hours of practice. If you are casual player you're better off starting with someone else's build that is proven to work.
- Tain -
Eh, I know where you're coming from, but I would still disagree. The majority of builds that work well require skill knowledge - when to use what, when NOT to use what, combining effects for max efficiency. Cutting + pasting someone else's build means you didn't come up with it, so you might not have the same visualization of how things should work together (even more so for a new player). Of course there are exceptions... anyone can run out an attack chain on a sin and score a kill in AB, or sit and survive with an E/D (or the OP's build, ironically), but truly effective builds require more thought. If it takes thought, it's better to do your own thinking than copy+paste and try and understand someone else's thinking.
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by glountz
If you played as a team, like you should in AB
Well in AB it's so easy to be separated from your team (such as base res) and takes a while to get back to them. That's why every bar must have self heal + speed buff
- Tain -
Most teams don't bring healers, too.
glountz
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Originally Posted by - Tain -
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Originally Posted by Dan
Well in AB it's so easy to be separated from your team (such as base res) and takes a while to get back to them. That's why every bar must have self heal + speed buff
Speed buff yes, self heal depends. When you are separated by rez, it is really easy to rejoin your group when you're on TS. Just converge to the same point (generally a cap spot). Use your speed boost to avoid ennemies while travelling. If you have to use your heal while you're running, that means you're stopping, allowing the one who hurted you to hurt you more. Only passive Heals that heal you while running are worth the skill slot.
Whirlwind
Everyone says AoB sucks but its really in the usage that makes it suck or not. Theres an entire thread on it here (probably more buried) where it has been discussed SOOOOOO many times over its not even funny. Simple fact is its useful when you use it right, just like any other skill in the game..
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Whirlwind
Simple fact is its useful when you use it right, just like any other skill in the game..
Power Shot m i rite?
AoB sucks. Using it 'right' is capping it for the sake of completion then forgetting it exists.
Whirlwind
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Power Shot m i rite?
AoB sucks. Using it 'right' is capping it for the sake of completion then forgetting it exists. Way to think outside the box 
- Tain -
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Originally Posted by Whirlwind
Everyone says AoB sucks but its really in the usage that makes it suck or not. Theres an entire thread on it here (probably more buried) where it has been discussed SOOOOOO many times over its not even funny. Simple fact is its useful when you use it right, just like any other skill in the game..
No, not all skills are created equal. AoB may not have negative effects, and the handful of positive effects may seem like a good idea, but the effects are completely worthless compared to other elites and are all accomplished easily by non-elite skills. Dervs have VERY strong elites, and AoB is NOT one of them.
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