State of the game in general

I hate what ANET has turned guild wars into. ANET has been more focused on the pve..well stoping the enjoyment of pve..way more then focus on the pvp aspect of the game.

I think ANET should make he game more open to casual players by increasing the drop rates in pve so players don't have to commit 500000 hours farming for 2 - 3 items. This will allow players to reach end game status and have the items\gear\things they want out of pve and focus on what guild wars was intended for..the pvp.

I think Anets constant nerfs to the drop rates has hurt the state of the game more then helped it. This is comming from an almost exclusive pvp player. Pve to me is such a waste of time in it's current state: Why go farm the same things over and over and over for 2 or 3 items that just have a neat texture when a pvp character can just be made and unlocked with perfect gear in 2-3 hours in RA.

By constantly nerfing the PVE side of guild wars more and more people are spending more and more time in PVE, and never really getting to the point of trying pvp. sure pvp may not be for everyone and thats fine, but i think if the pve side of guild wars were actually rewarding players for playing instead of forcing players to farm we'd see a large increase in the games pvp, which is guild wars staying power. Even after you've farmed those 600000000 hours to get the items you want in pve and there isn't anything left to do pvp is always fun and exciting on a level that the pve in guild wars hardly holds a match to.

PvP in guild wars is becoming stagnant due to Anet's constant dablings in the pve aspect of the game and less on skill balance, sure they add content from time to time, but they make the content nearly unreachable for the players that only get a chance to play 1-10 hours a week which is a major turn off.

Also having to farm for something over and over and over while online those 1-10 hours people are stuck with 2 options- farm and try to hopefully get that 1/1000000 chance to get that drop they are after or spend time chatting and getting to know the people in the comunity better form friendships ect.

The PVE imo in it's current state is bottlenecking the wanted result from guild wars. Sure people will want to play pve over pvp and i think thats fine, nothing stops a person that wants to pve over pvp, but at least they will be getting something out of it instead of wasted time.

Sorry for such a long rant but I'm so sick and tired of losing guild members and friends in the game because they see how unrewarding their efforts are, and have looked elsewhere because of it. Give the PVE players what they want!

so lets get this on a line... you want obsidian armor after completing the storyline? lol...

Sure why not, Obsidian armor doesn't have a monetary value. Having it only makes the game enjoyable for the person that wants to get the Obsidian armor. I'm not saying make it so easy to get that you can just walk up and click! it's yours but I think instead of having to farm countless hours for items after you've beaten the game is pedicured to players that don't voice their opinions and will just go with the flow of whatever is there, until they realize that it's all been a waste of time - then you lose that person from the game.

Having Obsidian armor does what for you exactly? (or any other item in the game) Nothing. except proclaim that you've spent way to many hours farming or trading to really know anything about the game.

And second of all, The entire dynamic of farm for days - get an item is flawed to begin with. What happens after you get your item\gear\armor? you've done all this work, and now you get to look "different" like the 50000 other people wearing the exact same thing.

another rant yey.
dont like the game? there's plenty of other online games in this world. find one that suits u and live happy

cya

Lol

Stop playing.

you're missing the point of the post entirely it isn't about not liking the game at all. it's about making it actually enjoyable for players that have lives.

If having phat loot makes game enjoyable i have good advice for you:

Stop playing GW.

Hellgate has phat loot that is easyyyyy to get. Cya o/

Again read the actual post. Having "phat loot" doesn't make the game enjoyable for me at all, having a game thats rewarding for players in all levels of play however, is.

You can't tell me you actually enjoy going to the exact same zone for hours on end killing the exact same mobs for hours on end to get something thats worthless other then a new looking skin.

I think they should get rid (or decrease) of the title grind, it's just too much, like the Alliance Titles, how long does it take to get 10,000,000 Kurzick/Luxon Faction? Half a year?



Just wondering but name one that has no monthly fee and has graphics equal to Guild Wars.

ofcourse obsidian armor isnt any better than other max armor, this is why i play guildwars, you dont NEED obsidian armor to be good, you dont NEED to spend 1000+hours on farming/trading, its you're own choose.

obsidian armor is something special, something to work on. If you could just get everything in the game, why play it for more than 3 hours, it isnt any fun to get what you want without working for it.

Go buy droks, it has the same stats as obsidian. You are not entitled to anything by merely existing

Go PvP.

Everyone knows PvE is dull.

I agree partly, working for it is fine, but grinding for days isn't.

Look, It's all fine and dandy that someone can go get some item, it isn't about obsidian or droks or anything particular in gw. It's about opening up the more rewarding aspect of the game.

if you dont want to grind for days to get it, dont buy it.
if you want it so badly, go grind for it instead of whining about it on guru.

The thread title is incorrect.

This is rant about loot, better yet, farming.

Well then you have to put in the time to get the COSMETICS of the game, not the necessities. Again, your not entitled to anything by merely existing, get your droks and play the game how you want it, if you want higher end armor then grind the appropriate amount to get it .

Again you need to read the post. It isn't about me wanting anything out of pve. Pve is DULL and BORING to me.

Actually no it's not at all. the thread is about the state of the guild wars game. The PVE aspect of the game is nothing but farming and loot after the campaigns.

Putting in time for cosmetics is fine and dandy, the thing is alot of players get stuck in the cosmetic aspect of the game when the entire point of guild wars was almost entirely based on the pvp.

The PVP in guild wars determines everything aside a cosmetic look to some randomly generated item forcing players to spend weeks in the pve grind after completion of said pve campaign is bad for the games continuity.

Your options

#1 PvP
#2 Quit

#2 is better

oh really? what about pve titles?

way to flame and not use your brain. surely you can come up with an argument or idea that would actually be constructive instead of debasing and trying vainly to humiliate someone. It is feedback like yours that results in the steady degradation of the game.

What about them? they too are cosmetic and much like an item you wear on your name.

PvE = cosmetic

What are you expecting?

PvP is for competitive game play. PvE is for posers.

Choose your side.

PvP with a PvE characcter.
Pose and win.
It's win-win

Oh I choose pvp for sure, but the thing is, if the PvE aspect of the game didn't lock people down for 1/2 as long the pvp in guild wars would be booming much more then it is now.

you cannot ignore one side and expect the other to be peachy, they are both 1/2's to a whole.

No, it wouldn't.

PvP is done with insta-pvp characters. This is why skill packs exist. True pvpers have never set foot into PvE, and don't even care if it's removed entirely.

Most players however balance the gameplay between both.

You want to "win" the game. This is the problem here. You cannot win in MMOs. There is no "completed". You can pvp since day one, and you can do the same in PvE, and you can mix and match both entire time.

Unlike all other MMOs, PvP in GW does not require you to grind PvE to reach "end-game" (or, in other words, sorry, that's all the content we have money for, here is the never-ending grind/raid stuff you may repeat a million times).

The reason this is nothing but loot rant is because PvP does not succeed PvE. Loot and money is irrelevant in GW. It doesn't buy you power, it doesn't buy you respect, it doesn't do anything. You can be broke and obtain just about all titles. Or you can be ultra rich without ever leaving Ascalon, even pre-searing.

Trying to win an MMO is a futile attempt due to the multi-player aspect. There will always be someone who'll be doing more, faster, better than you. Realizing that in MMOs there are no heroes and no winners, and that respect is only earned outside of the game is the first "State of the game" to understand.

How is PvE being ignored?

Titles
Dungeons
New skins
More armor
etc

GW:EN wasn't great, but they did add new content..

If anything PvP is worse off

No new maps
HA is full of fame farming retards
Sucky new players
META is stale
and so on...

GW is getting on 3 years old, it's time for it to die in a blaze of glory/noobness

And what exactly does my post have to do with "winning" anything? -_-

If you actually read the post in the first place, you would see that it doesn't, hopefully.

The post is about locking players down in Pve so long(and not AB, to me thats not pvp you learn absolutely nothing there you can take to tournament) it blinds them to what really makes the game what it is.

Got to love people who love cook up some excuses to disguise their laziness; "I have a life, why can't this game give me ...". Sure, you may be busier than some of us here IRL, but face it. This is an online game, and all online games emulate reality such that "You want 'X' item, you got to spend 'Y' amount of effort and time to get it.".

P.S. Spending your time here making instant replies to our posts ain't helping you achieving anything. You could use that time looking for quick farm builds.

So you want PvE players to play PvP, or what? You need to be clearer.

Except that this isn't true.

You are the one locked down since you are trying to win PvE first, before going to PvP.

Everyone else I know plays both at the same time. I fail to see this "lock down". Everyone in my guild pve's, does AB, RA, and less frequently HA and GvG. Meanwhile, everyone also has abundance of PvE characters, does trading, dungeons, vanquishing, etc....

*You* are the one who has decided that before you pvp, you must win PvE. In that, you're stuck with the rest of PvE-ers, who will never PvP, since don't care about that, and PvP for them will never exist.

PvE doesn't lock anyone down. You don't need to win it, or reach level 70 before you're competitive. Go PvP today, and you'll find that majority of players does both.

Those that don't, never will PvP. Last thing we need is PvE-ers being forced into PvP.

Exactly, I think you hit the nail on the head.


And I love people that don't read posts but chime in on a thread with unrelated comments. The point of the thread, again to make it more clear then it already is..is about the state of the game.

The Pve side of Gw has received so much attention that the PvP side of guild wars has become stagnant. To fix it I propose giving players in PvE what they want so us PVPers can finally get some freaking attention.

u trying to convince someone here replying the same things all the times? u failed to find allies supporting your "free ectos for noobs" crusade. give up

Ok...you're confusing me now

I thought this was rant about PvE being stagnant..

Again man, read the post it doesn't have anything to do with *ME*

But if everyone just gives up the game will continue on it's path down a poop hole, and it isn't a "free ecto for noobs" thread at all. I think lowering drop rates will put more people into pvp. if you don't agree thats fine, but I remember back in the day when things were much easier to achive on the pve side, and pvp was a monster because people had what they needed\wanted.

make Balthazar faction into a type of currency that can be used in the PvE areas while still unlocking those PvP items. perhaps make it 3 to 5 times the amount for a single gold coin. (example: 5 gold coins = 1 Balthazar point)

throw that idea into the game and see how it plays out. this is just off the top of my head. i haven't put any real thought into this just yet, but the concept seems sound enough.



Jayce Of Underworld

i still dont get the point of this rant besides asking for a free fow... kinda entertaining tho

I actually like that idea it gives both sides a reward for time\efforts.

so while 99% of the ppl are pointing the need to make pvp and pve words separate u would love to merge them even more? u truly picked up the wrong game

Ok. Let's get this straight. You are a PvP focused player which you claim yourself to be on the first post. Now you should be having easier time as compared to those PvE farmers in getting those shiny stuff with those automated tournaments or selling chest drops from HA.

PvE is NEVER being nerfed in anyway. Farming is. And by the way, now, everything is cheaper and easier to get as compared to earlier years with heroes, PvE skills. Most basic titles such as survivor, cartographer and protector are quite easy to get with heroes.

So which part of PvE are you complaining about being difficult?

Realistically though separation can never truly happen unless Anet lets one side completely die off.
There have never and never will be separate worlds so long as the pvp skills are the same skills the majority of players are bringing with them into pve.

I agree that Anet has included pve only skills into the game, but at the same time the skills introduced into the game are not nearly enough to cause a separation of worlds. The majority of all skill balance done in GW is based off PvP but there is still not nearly enough attention aimed there to make it rewarding.

I sure don't have a problem with my unlocks in pvp been done for quite awhile now, the thing is pve is getting way more attention aimed at it's direction then pvp is. my proposal, although maybe a silly one was to just increase the drop rates in pve so people get what they want quicker to increase numbers on the pvp scene. maybe that wouldn't be the best way to do it, but that was my idea, it has nothing to do with me farming in pve to get the imo stupid looking loot.