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Darkhell153

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

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21 Nov 2007 at 17:52 - 1

Hey, I've heard mixed things when it comes to this, some people say Arenanet's not making another expansion before gw2, some say they're thinking about it. So first question:
Are they going to make one or not?

Second Question:
What do you think? Should they make another one, or should we all just wait until 7 months from now when gw2 comes out?

Third Question:
What do you think they should add in the next expansion? (new classes, more skills, more items, more insignias, what?)

Here are my views for starters:
1. I dunno if they're thinking about it or if they've decided and it's final.
2. I really do think they should make another one, at least make a new skill set and cost about 15-20 dollars for a few hundred more skills. (It's not that much considering the number of classes and the number of skills already out there.)
3. I'd like to see some new classes, a bunch more skills and skill updates (undo some of those more stupid less intellectual nerfs), some more items mods and armor upgrades, also some new continent expansions and more continents added in. Possibly more PvP stuff to keep that interesting (I'm a brawl supporter, why do you think I like Ab?).

Thank you for your opinion, (since I've seen people do this before) no bumps or flames plz and don't insult people in the forum (unless it's me since I can get back at you

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Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

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21 Nov 2007 at 18:00 - 2

1. All indications are no more expansions. In several threads Gaile explained the ability not to be able to even do a number of feature requests from Sardelac and that most manpower was hard away at work on GW2. I wouldnt expect anything new and do believe this is just a rumor.

2. Seven months until GW2 comes out? I kind of doubt it.

A new expansion would be nice as I feel they announced and/or began GW2 work too early, leaving us hanging here for a bit too long. My opinion. HoM and EotN are meant as the capstone though and the transition into GW2, so again I expect nothing new.

3. No new classes. No new skills. They have enough trouble balancing at the moment. They need some new areas to help spend the time and I'd specifically like to see the other gods realms in an update. If they could manage that, support PvP a bit better, work on the balances a bit more, I suppose it'd be ok. I would very much love to see the other gods realms, but as above, I suspect we are going to be lucky to get a few possible feature additions and a little balancing here and there.

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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21 Nov 2007 at 18:08 - 3

No.

The game is played out. It needs a new engine with proper functionality for an MMO and it needs a complete refresh on the skills, economy, and AI. Adding things, at this point, is just making it worse and taking time away from a complete rebuild that is sorely needed.

/ my $0.02

Darkhell153

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Join Date: Feb 2007

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21 Nov 2007 at 18:09 - 4

and I'll bet ya that gw2 is not going to be any of those things.

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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21 Nov 2007 at 18:25 - 5

Well, then I won't buy it just like I don't buy any inferior product if I know it's inferior.

Personally, though, I wouldn't buy another expansion anyway. The game still has most of the fundamental design flaws it started with, and the constant shifting of skills, the continual lack of any real economy, and the aging AI really doesn't interest me anymore. GWEN, to me, was ultimately a waste of money. I realized after I got it that I didn't really want new areas to explore, I wanted a new GAME.

thedeadlyassassin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Tualatin OR

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A/W

21 Nov 2007 at 23:50 - 6

I'd hope so! EotN sucked! I hardly go there, and wasn't in any hurry to beat the campaign. The storyline really sucked, because you go help everyone to help you, yet they didn't... you did everything yourself.

The dungeons were fun, but now... blah...

The new skills weren't any good, and some made PvE too easy.

The only good thing it did was open new farming spots for me.

As for making a new one, nope. Like someone said before me, EotN was just letting go of Guild Wars, and introducing a bit of Guild Wars 2 (new races, having races as heros, a bit of the battle scenes... ect)

IMO, a economy like other MMO's would suck, because people get greedy, and everything becomes "I want money I want money". I prefer guild wars because people aren't greedy, and you don't need any real money to be as good as someone else, it's all just for looks.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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21 Nov 2007 at 23:54 - 7

If they made a new expansion, it would be rushed. So no, they shouldn't.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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22 Nov 2007 at 00:36 - 8

To answer your questions:

1) In a way, they already have with the BMP. That and other tactics being used by a.net have me distrusting the company. They are just milking people for money now.

2) An expansion will probablly be rushed and crummy and I won't buy it. And GW2 is WAY farther then 7 months away by the way.

3) Shouldn't make one at all.

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

22 Nov 2007 at 03:45 - 9

I don't think they should risk the disappointment. I'd rather have a spectacular GW2, than another half assed expansion.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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22 Nov 2007 at 05:47 - 10

Are they going to? No. Should they? I think they should make two, one of cantha and one for elonia. They should add a few more skills and a better crafting system.

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

22 Nov 2007 at 06:49 - 11

I doubt they would make another expansion, they have said several time they wouldn't. BUT, it seems like they should give the original Guild Wars the kind of epic send off it deserves.

The problem with EotN was that is was just an expansion for Prophices. They should have had an end-all-beat-all epic campaign that spanned the three continents and felt like the end chapter of the story of GW. Instead, it just felt like an extra long quest. Don't misunderstand me, I loved the storyline and thought that EotN was a marvelous game. Just that as the ending of the GW quadrilogy, it wasn't nearly as impressive as I would have preffered.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

22 Nov 2007 at 06:54 - 12

No, thx. GW expansions keepe getting worse and worse.

wetsparks

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

22 Nov 2007 at 07:29 - 13

If they go by the responses from this forum, they would probably think EotN was a bomb of a game bla bla bla. Most people thought that it was going to be every bit as big as a normal game, but for 10 less buck because "there were no new classes." It was an expansion, an expansion that a lot of people like, just listen to the conversations in towns. I know most of my alliance (900+) have EotN and love it.

Saying that, I hope they don't make another because I want them to put 99% of their effort into GW2 and the other 1% into holiday and weekend stuff for GW1 and fixing the bugs that are there. They need to get that Izzy guy to balance the stuff that needs it and stop nerfing things that are fun in pve because of some obscure way it is being "exploited" in pvp.

shoogi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

Ray

22 Nov 2007 at 09:44 - 14

omg no. All the expansions just caused damage. its enough that we got 3 pointless and incredibly stupid profs (assa, para, derv) and 100's of useless skills.

Cebe

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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22 Nov 2007 at 10:07 - 15

Since this isn't a Suggestion, and more a collection of questions and opinions, I'm moving this to Riverside.

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

22 Nov 2007 at 10:28 - 16

I wouldn't mind a few new zones in Cantha, it's still my favourite campaign.

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

22 Nov 2007 at 10:31 - 17

Should Anet make me a pork chop sandwich? I say yes, but Anet might have other priorities.

seut

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Europa

22 Nov 2007 at 11:12 - 18

another expansion?
I hope not. Anet couldn't deliver what they had promised for their first expansion..

40new armor sets -> turned out to be 31 and pieces and most of them rehashes of old armors
18multilevel dungeons -> only 15multilevel dungeons in the game (not counting reused areas would get us to a number below 10 unique dungeons)
NPCs saved on one level of a dungeon helping on the next as mentioned in many gameplay vids before the release -> non existent
the polymock mini-game that is "pokemon on steroids" and tactical like Archon (http://www.mobygames.com/game/c64/ar...t-and-the-dark) -> boring and useless once you beat all opponents to get the pve skills
a Hall of Monuments that rewards the player -> reward for single character grinders only

Their first expansion was a disappointment consisting mostly of scraps from the GW:Utopia campaign and some unresolved lore. Thrown together without heart already having GW2 in their minds.

I hope they don't release another expansion. Though i hope they'll polish up the existing game -> Inscription system for prophecies/factions, rework FoW&UW to current gameplay and add realms to the 3 other gods, etc.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

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22 Nov 2007 at 11:20 - 19

Where the hell did you get that seven month figure? That's not accurate at all--the only timetables we've been given are that the beta for GW2 will be released sometime in '08.

As for another expansion--no. GW1 has run its course, and the sooner we start hearing about GW2, the better.

Toutatis

Walking Wiki

Join Date: Nov 2006

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22 Nov 2007 at 12:21 - 20

Personally, I think that ANet should put as many resources as they can into GW2. Making great games takes a lot of time, effort and money; and I would rather have a fantastic sequel instead of another expansion followed by a mediocre sequel.

I'm not saying that GW1 shouldn't matter anymore, but it is important to look to the future and make it as good as it can be.

Aria Sabre

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2007

PA, USA

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Mo/E

22 Nov 2007 at 12:27 - 21

There shouldn't be another one, in my opinion. We have enough armor reskins and once-rare weapons that aren't rare anymore.

Cargan

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Join Date: Jun 2007

Scotland

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22 Nov 2007 at 12:46 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operative 14

BUT, it seems like they should give the original Guild Wars the kind of epic send off it deserves.

I agree that they should give GW an "epic send off" but not 'til shortly before the release of GW2. I expect they will too to raise peoples awareness of GW2 at the time and increase peoples interest in the game, motivating them to go out and buy it. Y'know, like they did with EotN and the Ooze and rats appearing in outposts, but on a larger scale.

As for a further expansion? I think not. GW has loads of content as it is. Another god realm or two would be nice. If they do that then great, I'll be very grateful. If not, nothing gained = nothing lost.

I would also like something like another cut-scene at the scrying pool at HoM sometime giving some sort of preview of things to come, even if it's just to show off little bits of what they're working on.

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

22 Nov 2007 at 12:50 - 23

Factions like expansion that brings new pvp modes (like how factions brought AB/aspeen wood/jade thingy ma bob)

Nightfall and gwen brought NOTHING

Darkhell153

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Join Date: Feb 2007

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22 Nov 2007 at 16:06 - 24

Here are some answers for some questions in the thread so far
1. I got my 7 month figures from a guildie, he stopped playing a while ago, said he was gonna wait for gw2 to come out before playing again (and demonstrated a vast and colorful vocabulary while at it xD)
2. Not all of the expansions were really bad. Nightfall had some storyline problems and shortcomings, Factions had some skill and class issues. But the two did sorta balance out since they excelled in the other areas.
3. Since when are game sequals ever halfway better then the originals? It's just like movies except we're interacting with them.
4. If you think about it the talk about changing the level cap and class/race system around really will kill gw2. They don't need to change all of that around as it is.

And that's my bit on this issue (and I think a few other issues) please continue to post in this thread and thank you for your time.

Kha

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Join Date: Mar 2005

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22 Nov 2007 at 17:48 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoogi

its enough that we got 3 pointless and incredibly stupid profs (assa, para, derv).

lol thanks. I needed a laugh.

As for if they should make another expansion or not... the player in me wants to say yes. I mean, who wouldn't want more stuff to keep them entertained? What else do we have to hold ourselves over until GW2? GW:EN? That was a huge letdown. The bonus mission pack? I doubt it's going to keep us entertained for months. PvP? It's becoming mindless flavor of the month builds to farm PvP titles. Titles? Don't get me started on how poorly thought out most of the titles are.

The logical part of me, the part that wins this, is a clear no. Sad to say, ANet has fairly given up on GW to focus so much on GW2. It was so obvious when they gave us GW:EN. I loved all 3 campagins and was quite surprised and immensely disappointed in the rushed, BS of an expansion they called GW:EN. A campaign really won't save GW sadly, especially given that we know it's not going to have the dedication to it like the campaigns and earlier additions. I rather them really think about their game, evaluate what worked and what didn't, and use that to make GW2 the game the players TRULY want instead of trying to throw together another expansion to keep us amused for a month or two at best. At least, I can hope that's what they are doing...

Quote:

Originally Posted by seut

Their first expansion was a disappointment consisting mostly of scraps from the GW:Utopia campaign and some unresolved lore. Thrown together without heart already having GW2 in their minds.

Winner.

CyberMesh0

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

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22 Nov 2007 at 18:04 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoogi

omg no. All the expansions just caused damage. its enough that we got 3 pointless and incredibly stupid profs (assa, para, derv) and 100's of useless skills.

You win the ignorant post of the day. If you have ever been in a party with a competent paragon (even after all the nerfs) you wouldn't think that at all. All three of your "incredibly stupid" professions have plenty of uses, but all three were soiled by players that couldn't (or wouldn't) learn to play their parts correctly. Few assassins understand that THEY CAN'T TANK. Paragons are about protection and buffs. Dervishes dish out damage, and if played properly, aren't too bad at tanking themselves.

I MP I

Hustler

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Mo/

22 Nov 2007 at 18:06 - 27

New god realms for lyssa, melandru, dwayna. Some sort of storyline featuring Dhuum and Menzies. I can write a whole script in great detail that would make total sense and all. Unfortunately, Anet hasn't hired me

An expansion like this would be nice.

Winterclaw

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Florida

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22 Nov 2007 at 18:23 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

As for another expansion--no. GW1 has run its course, and the sooner we start hearing about GW2, the better.

I disagree. To me, they left too much unfinished in GW1 and I'd prefer GW2 to be a fresh slate and not,:well there were a few things these people who were able to beat up a god, among other things, but didn't really care to get around to dealing with. I mean in theory they could have stopped Polo Joker or stopped the charr invasion for good, but decided not to because after meeting Jora/Xandra/adult Gwen they couldn't really keep their mind on protecting the world.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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22 Nov 2007 at 18:33 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberMesh0

You win the ignorant post of the day. If you have ever been in a party with a competent paragon (even after all the nerfs) you wouldn't think that at all. All three of your "incredibly stupid" professions have plenty of uses, but all three were soiled by players that couldn't (or wouldn't) learn to play their parts correctly. Few assassins understand that THEY CAN'T TANK. Paragons are about protection and buffs. Dervishes dish out damage, and if played properly, aren't too bad at tanking themselves.

I'm pretty sure he's talking from a PvP pov. For PvP, factions and nightfall royally screwed alot up. So no, his post wasn't ignorant, it was pretty much true.

Peter Panic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

ct

Scars Meadows [SMS]

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22 Nov 2007 at 18:41 - 30

nf more than factions, rits and sins are great in pvp, but paragons and dervs are more pve oriented. dont even get me started on HB :/

bpphantom

Lion's Arch Merchant

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The Eyes of Ashtabula [Eyes]

22 Nov 2007 at 18:51 - 31

I say no. I'd rather they put the effort into GW2.

Darkhell153

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

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22 Nov 2007 at 19:15 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by I MP I

New god realms for lyssa, melandru, dwayna. Some sort of storyline featuring Dhuum and Menzies. I can write a whole script in great detail that would make total sense and all. Unfortunately, Anet hasn't hired me

An expansion like this would be nice.

then please write up the script and send it to Anet. Then we get a new expansion that finishes off the game and we can content ourselves with not playing guild wars instad of aimlessly playing, trying to find where the ending is. :P

Symeon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

22 Nov 2007 at 19:53 - 33

http://www.guildwars.com/events/pres...017-colinj.php

Quote:

Some of the most fun we've ever had as a team was building the Sorrow's Furnace region for our players. The Bonus Mission Pack is really the first chance we've had since then (other than holiday events) to take on a fun side project. It just seemed like the right thing to do before we turn our attention fully toward Guild Wars 2.

According to this quote, the BMP could well be the last major content addition to GW. We can expect updates fixing minor issues and continued skill balancing, but otherwise, ANet is now focused on GW2 development.

Lady Raenef

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Oregon, USA.

Zero Mercy [zm]

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22 Nov 2007 at 20:00 - 34

I just want new features added. Occasionally, new armor sets. New weapons. Maybe new skills (it would keep us PvPers entertained for a while to come up with some damn builds), and DEFINITELY more CAPE DESIGNS.

Gaile, read. CAPE DESIGNS. MORE. MORE PATTERNS, BOTTOMS, AND INSIGNIAS. MORE. MORE. MORE!

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

22 Nov 2007 at 20:02 - 35

Sure, if they want. I'm content as it is.

...But I will say it'd be sweet if they did something with this island:

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

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Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

22 Nov 2007 at 20:29 - 36

I think what no ones taking into account, is the fact they can sub-contract the next expansion to another developer. It does not have to be A-net that strictly develops stuff for GW. I mean Bioware does it with Obsidian. When Bioware moves on to another project, they let their sister studio, Obsidian take over some of their old projects. Who knows, maybe another developer could bring GW out of the “Dark Ages.”

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

22 Nov 2007 at 20:50 - 37

I'd be cool with more expansions if they were done well. Seeing as how I've never planned on getting GW2 I'm not too concerned with its develoment, but it's ANet's call not mine.

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

22 Nov 2007 at 21:05 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Sure, if they want. I'm content as it is.

...But I will say it'd be sweet if they did something with this island:

LoL i will post if we will see the true destroyer... because we all kown we fight the pet from the destroyer in the end of GWEN... and this island is a good bet...

A "expansion" like furnace... free...

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

22 Nov 2007 at 21:11 - 39

Quote:

I agree that they should give GW an "epic send off" but not 'til shortly before the release of GW2. I expect they will too to raise peoples awareness of GW2 at the time and increase peoples interest in the game, motivating them to go out and buy it. Y'know, like they did with EotN and the Ooze and rats appearing in outposts, but on a larger scale.

Quite true. I wish that they had released GW:Utopia as the great, final, campaign in the series instead of EotN. Then just before GW2 came out release EotN with pretty much the same stoyline as it has now, albeit with perhaps a little less hype.

Dev121

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

22 Nov 2007 at 22:12 - 40

Why does everyone want full focus on GW2, remember they could easily mess it up. GW1 PvE is near perfect right now, no new profs or skills are needed but more areas would be good. As mentioned the old god realms should really be made to fully finish it as well as just adding some more areas for the fun of it.

When GW1 was released they added the content pack SF for free but now the expansion you pay for (which I loved but Ill have to bash) didnt contain everything they said, why not? There focusing on something that will make them more money which is bad developing. They should maintain there current player base whilst pursuing the next set of content, the current content is making people quit and anyone who argues the number of players is not declining then your wrong.

Basically right now the player:developer relationship is a mess and for a game like this it cannot be that way, they should put there back into making gw2 either the best game ever or giving us stuff to keep us playing this game.

You may say well you should play it for fun which I do but if they want people (especcialy the hardcore) to keep playing for the next months or years then they cannot just leave the game as it is.