Dishonorable

I've got Dishonorable Status, and I don't know why. I don't use vulgar anything, i'm always saying GG, GL, HF, and the sort, i haven't left matches early, and yet i keep getting it about every other game i play in RA/TA/AB. this is getting ridiculous.

i asked someone i knew in game what it could be, and he asked me if i had reported anyone, and i have (leechers ect). he says one of them may be "getting back at me". are you serious??

if this is the case, im a legit pvper, and i can't even freaking do anything about this. it's been going on all day for me (about 5 hours), and it's becoming a major problem having to wait out the time between EVERY entering.

what should i do???

edit: i tried not mapping when the end of match timer starts, and i stopped using the reporting system, this has been going on for like 3 days now

When you report someone, are you the only person doing so ?

Because if you are GW thinks your making a false report and punishes you instead.

is that really fair? im using the system how it should be. obvious, blatant leechers and one time some racist guy shouting some messed up stuff in RA dis 1, were pretty deserving of the ban stick if you ask me.

that's not my fault if no one else cares to take the time to report clearly wrong deeds (or they just don't know)

i think the whole system's flawed...

You might be onto something there!

Unless somethings changed you dont know who reports you. It would be rather stupid to be able to see who reports you, as that will just promote flaming.

All you ever see when reporting in RA/AB/etc is something like:
"<Offender> has been reported for <breach>" or "You have reported <offender> for <breach>"

Dishonorable Hex is automated. /report (from trigger-happy emo's) = automatic DH points. End of Story. Is it pleasant? Hellz no! But the people just couldn't stop their bitching, so hence:

Update - Thursday September 27

Dishonorable Combatant System

To discourage experience and faction leeching, intentional stalling of arena matches, and leaving matches in Random Arena, Alliance Battles, the Jade Quarry, and Fort Aspenwood before they are complete, a Dishonorable Combatant penalty system has been put into effect.

Dishonor

Dishonor points affect game types that have randomly formed teams such as Random Arenas, Alliance Battles, and Competitive Missions.
An account may be given dishonor points for leaving a PvP match prematurely, for leeching experience or faction, or for falsely reporting teammates for leeching.
Players who leave a PvP match prematurely will receive 5 dishonor points.
If a player is reported for leeching, that player will receive 2 dishonor points for each report against him. Players who report a team member for leeching without a third of their team also reporting that player will also receive 2 dishonor points.
Any account that has accumulated 10 or more dishonor points is given the Dishonorable status, which is displayed as a buff icon on screen. While affected by this status, no characters present on that account may enter any PvP missions.
The Dishonorable status remains in effect for 1 minute for each accumulated dishonor point. This status cannot be removed by logging out or changing characters.
When the duration of the Dishonorable status has expired, characters on that account may once again join PvP missions.
Dishonor points will remain on the player's account for a total of 60 minutes. If further dishonor points are acquired during this period, that account is once again given the Dishonorable status, though for a longer period of time.
To clear dishonor points from an account, a player must go 60 minutes without accumulating any new dishonor points.

More exactly:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Disho...mbatant_System

"Players who report a team member for leeching without a third of their team also reporting that player will also receive 2 dishonor points."

Solution to the OP's problem:

"To clear dishonor points from an account, a player must go 60 minutes without accumulating any new dishonor points."

No. You're using the system as you expect it to work. Take a careful look at the "1/3rd of the party" rule. If it weren't there, any one in your group could report you, which would also lead to the Dishonorable Hex and you wouldn't be happy either, would you?

Take a screenshot, report on NCsoft support and the guy will effectively get banned (possibly definitely if he's used to this behavior).

Could it be that your sentence between brackets actually invalidate your last comment? It's like speed limits, there're here to prevent accidents, but still people speed for convenience. Sometimes it's about the system, but not here!

Woohoo!
That one is sweet!

So that means if we get a leecher at Aspy and there are no other trigger-happy-reporting people on my party - it's better to just go AFK too.
Ahhh - or I demand that they report somebody for being AFK or I'll go AFK too.
Oki - at least we have a plan.

I report when i see something but if you are in the middle of a fight its not easy to win and report at the same time, I tend to report the blatently obvious

Let me guess....a report freak that reports everyone anytime that they lose?

did you just come here to troll omni? you have no idea who i am, what i do, or anything else, but you come here to troll a thread for no reason. i clearly stated the situation, and if that's not good enough for you, go get banned on another thread please.

these are people in AB/RA Asp, that flat out aren't moving, making us man down. its not my fault if im using the system for how it should be used. if no one else reports, and i have to take screen shots like before, why do we even have the stupid system?

I don't know where you are playing then m8. It takes 10 Dishonor points to get the dishonor status. I don't see 10 leechers in RA in a WEEK, let alone a few hours.

AB, since the dishonor update, I haven't seen that many leechers there either. There is still the occasional one, but not 2-3 per match.

I report leechers any time I see them too....guess how many times I have gotten the dishonor status? Once....so I could see how it worked.

Either you are over-reporting like a madman, or you are getting reported for leeching, OR you leave battles.

Theres not enough leechers for you to constantly have the dishonor status from reporting them.

do you not read? that's why im so confused, because im not doing ANY of those things. i'm compiling a video as of yesterday, showing exactly whats happening for ANet. somethings not right with my account or something.

i report, once, maybe twice a day, if that, and i play a lot, so thats not a big deal. i dont leave matches ever, and i clearly dont leech. blah blah blah, you dont read anyhow.

i hope Anet does something, its got to be a bug or something.

Yeah dude, I read your "I'm so innocent, so why punish me?" post. Many convicted criminals say the same thing.

Fortunately, a computer program does not make single errors. The game is not just going to give your account dishonorable status from a bug. If it was bugged it would give it to everyone, not just lil ol innocent you. You HAVE to be doing some of these, you don't just get dishonor status.

When you map out, you get 5 dishonorable points. Every other match would indicate you leave every match early.

If you really are getting it almost every other match, then this is almost certainly due to leaving. Due to random nature of players in these matches, it's essentially impossible for someone to be "getting back at you".

I gotta agree. If you are getting that many points(every other game? they should report you for reporting instead of playing!), that has to mean one of the three reasons mentioned. Hell, I'll go through friggin Aspenwood and not encounter that many leechers/leavers. The best way is to take a screenie and report that way. Since you are a man down, anyway, the time is negligible. You can even tell the others, so you aren't considered one, yourself.

The /report was a bad idea. It encourages people to cry. As far as the "unfairness", it's not you are earning a permanent "Dishonorable" title. Maybe the reason 1/3 didn't report it was because they were too busy PLAYING and trying to see what skills they had to try and do it a man down. Hell, it's RA/AB. Chill out.

do you get dishonor after the timer saying the match is over, and you leave?

like, we lose/win a match, the timer says time remaining before next match/leave, and i map out. is THAT an offense????

and you're very irritating omni, do me a favor and stop posting. you started as a troll, and now you're plain rude, just leave.

turned into:You're getting dishonored for mapping out. Yes, I know, always after the timer starts and all that.

Try waiting those 5 seconds. Literally, five seconds.

No matter, what you say Magikarp it really doesn't change the facts, if you get dishonerable status so often then e mail the gw support and tell them your character name, then ask why you're getting dishonerable so often. Maybe they'll tell you a list of your offenses.

But do not play the innocent, just admit that you probably did something wrong by accident and it could have been interpreted as something worthy of dishonerable points. It's really not that serious a punishment anyway, at least you're not getting a permanent ban for it!

P.s: Omni's got a point (if you overlook his current bad mood) the only way you could get dishonerable points was if you did something wrong, if you're getting them for mapping out then just stop mapping out, if you're getting them for reporting then focus on the match and stop reporting. Some of us take getting leachers as a thrill because we get to diversify our skill usage to fit 3 v 4 instead of 4v4.

i tried it, stopped mapping out, still getting dishonorable. any other tips?

p.s., i haven't reported anyone in 3 days.

Yea Do what I said and e mail guild wars support. Ask what you're being reported for and stop doin it. Or what you're being dishonered for.

Far as I know, if you win a match you cannot leave, you have to keep playing the next match as well, and so on forever until you manage to lose, or you'll get dishonor.

Which creates an incentive to blow a match by playing badly...

I wish they'd just let us leave after we win, but from how the system looks, you can't. So personally, I just don't go into matches often. When I first started GW they seemed like an appealing way to log in and play the game for a few minutes and then go, but now, if I'm playing well, I get stuck in there. And the problem is that I know how to play the game more now - it takes more work to mess up, especially as I can spot bad play better, so I'm more aware that it'll be obvious if I'm trying to blow a game.

Though I could leave anyway if I was planning to log off for the day.

I know what u mean magikarp, I have 3 similar things

1) I tested how good the system really is. I enter RA as a monk with 105 health, "Charge!" Frenzy and Healing Signet skills. I played a few matched to see what people would do (Of course I charged into 4 players casting frenzy and heal sig) one match I entered 3 people on my team reported me as a leecher. But I wasn't leeching "Techically" I was playing, I was just doing suiside. So when we lost the match I DIDN'T get Dishonorable. I was like FTW!

2) I was ABing with an all toucher team. Fun huh? Yes it is! We were having a blast at Keys beating kurz and calling us lux noobs. We just laugh and move on.One AB this guy was being a pain. Saying "Your a 40 year old !@#$ who is *** and lives with his mom. You stupid *** lux noob." We all had a comment to that.
A) Yeah, well this stupid noob, just kicked your butt!
B) Watch what you say after your pwned
C) Yeah, us 40 year olds just love kicking jerks butt and all they do is complain
D) Say something again and we will all report you!

After the AB with only those things said 2 of 4 of us (me and my friend) got dishonorable. We were like... WTF!!!! That guy calls us a bunch of names and we get reported! Yeah, some people reported us because they didn't like us! Maybe its the comeback or the all toucher team. Basically, we did nothing wrong!

I agree with the ability to report, but I'm not so positive on the automated nature of it.

Any report system should come with human attention for any report that creates any form of penalty.

The problem there is that they would then have to have less middle ground between no action and a ban.

The automated dishonorable system is probably there to serve as a way to let people know they're on the path to a ban - but by being automated it is subject misuse - which means people who are not on a path to a ban can end up getting hit by it.

I'd be all for dishonorable status being applied to anyone who types something that the chat filter screens. And to anyone who does the forms of leeching that the server can track - such as going afk in a match while your connection is still good.

If you have been active, perhaps there needs to be more screening before it gets applied.

And I find your posts pretty irritating too.

I haven't done anything wrong, but I am being punished.....waaaaaaaah. You know you did something wrong. We know you did something wrong. So why bother saying that you just got the dishonor status for no reason?

You are claiming you never leave.
You are claiming you rarely report people.

The things that get dishonor points are:

Leaving.
Reporting people.
Being reported.

You claim that the first two are not the case.

So then if you are being reported so much, it would pop up and say "Noobicarp has been declared a leecher", and that means you would most likely know why you were getting the dishonor status.

You are getting Dishonor status, but according to you, you are doing none of the things that get it. Nobody else is "just getting" the dishonor status for doing nothing, only you. Guess what? You are not special. This isn't a bug that only has an impact on YOUR account. As much as you like to try and make out that that is the case, it is not. Which only leaves one other alternative, you are just flat out lying about how much you leave and how much you report. Lying to us about it does you no good. Lying about it to yourself does no good. And lying about it to ANet isn't going to make them remove it. So just stop lying.

Let me a see

According to your logic of an earlier post, expanded in this one

Magikarp claims to be innocent
criminals claim to be innocent
ergo...Magikarp must be a criminal

Your posts don't seem to be adding much to the discussion.

No...I said the criminals do the same thing as he is doing, that does not mean he is a criminal.

Fish reproduce
Humans reproduce
Does that mean Humans are Fish?

The logic was....just because he claims to be innocent, does not mean he is innocent. Many criminals claim to be innocent too, but they are not.

LoL i get dishonor two times LoL because afther we lose... i say we lose all dead in the ground... i rezone do TA without waiting for automatic rezone... if you leave only two times you get dishonor hex...

Report is cool nothing wrong with it... i never report no one... and a one time someone in my team report me wrong... he try to report one guy and report me.. LoL shit happens...

maybe you should just.. not post. ever think of that? no one asked you to comment in the first place kid.

im not looking for sympathy, im looking for answers as to whats wrong. i clearly don't know, and im trying to understand. if i did something wrong, i need to knwo so i can stop, but all you're doing is being a troll. gj.



edit:

i sent SS's to Anet, and asked for a write up of what im doing to cause so many problems on my account. hopefully some answers soon.

You posted on a forum whining that you got punished. You asked everyone for their comments, "kid". Just because I make a valid point and prove that your lies are obviously wrong, does not make me a kid, and does not make what I say not count.

I am truly sorry for having no sympathy. I don't know if you started this whine thread because you wanted people to cry with you, or if you was just trying to make a "Plz remove Dishonor" thread.

If there was other people on here saying that they got the dishonor status for doing nothing at all, they never left, and they never reported, then maybe your whole thing would be believable. As it is now, this whole thing only having any impact on you, makes it a little hard to believe that it is a bug in the game.

Don't get me wrong, it might be some weird bug in the game. But why would this bug only effect your account? Out of hundreds of thousands of people, this bug only has an impact on one person? Come on. I find that really hard to believe.

What I can believe is that your "innocence" might not be as valid as you are making it out to be. I can believe that you are not the godsend that you are making yourself out to be. Always being helpful to people. Being a good sportsman with GG/HF/GL. Never leaving a game.

Either one of two things are causing your dishonor status....

You are not as innocent as you make out to be.
-OR-
There is some very very remote bug that only had an impact on your account.

I'm sorry for not believing the second option. If you like the first option or not is irrelevant to if it should be brought up or not.

You don't get dishonor points for leaving after the match and during the countdown to the next.

I can only see you getting the status from over-reporting. Maybe you reached that 50 time for a day limit and they stuck it on you like a regular 72hr ban

i thought maybe i /report'ed too much too according to everyone else, but i did it once, maybe twice a day, but then i stopped altogether, and still got the problem. i posted this on my alliance forum, and someone there says the same thing's going on on their account.

still waiting for anets help

Magikarp, I have to agree with everything that Omni has said. I honestly can't see any reason why you would be getting dishonorable status, unless of course if you were lieing.

You mentioned you posted this on your alliance forum, mind posting a link to that forum so we can have proof of what you say about someone else having the same problem.

I agree that this is bullshiz. At least be a real man and farm dishonour in RA using a useless build.

I guess magicarp is one of those people that report my sac monk for leeching. No sympathy at all for anyone that uses the report system from me. It needs removing from the game altogether so idiots cant use it.

You are getting dishonour because of one or a combination of the following:

1. Rage quitting
2. Reported for leeching, using naughty language, or being a retard.

Oh, and im not using retard as a personal insult, its like how retarded I am saccing my monk.

close thread please mod. i've contacted Anet and am awaiting answers, thank you.

so many trollers, so little time. what prerogative would i, or anyone else for that matter, have to lie about something like this? i'm either doing something wrong by accident, or somethings wrong with my account. saying im trying to get attention makes you look like an idiot, when im asking the community if they know what could be wrong when i've tried to eliminate the normal, obvious possibilities. what a pathetic wad of forum posters you are. the epitome of typical rage posters.

Contact support..not much anyone can do here..

My point is still valid as an option. Maybe you do not agree with the way that I presented my point, that is acceptable, but you cannot deny that what I say could in fact be what has happened here.

Oh come on - we all know when someone says they are innocent and something is out to get them (and only them) they are normally correct. Obviously this person has *never* done anything wrong and is unfairly given dishonorable status every other match for no reason at all. Lets face it, Anet is known to lie, cheat, steal your first born, and decide some random person is just "dishonorable" in general and stick it to them.

And as for your options, you have *totally* forgotten mutant spacemen using their ultra-advanced microwave radiation to cause any game played by someone that uses the word "carp" in their username in a forum to get flagged as bad. If you can't even include obvious things like that then what good are your arguments?

*shrug* maybe it truly is a bug or those mutant spacemen, however since it only seems to be affecting a single individual amongst all those that play PvP in GW I would guess the chances are of each being true are not too far from each other. As to what you are doing, dunno. My guess is that you support ticket also went to e-mail heaven as I'm betting they get all sorts of "I'm unfairly targeted". However, I'm willing to bet if you ever do find out exactly what it is you will be angry that the system works that way as there was nothing wrong with whatever it was you are doing.

There is no way that a person or two with a vendetta could do it, it takes a systematic breaching of the rules or a consistent 1/3 of the reporter team to agree with a /report across multiple games. I suggest you play by these rules (and this is a generally a good rule to live by, though I suppose some people even have a bad enough relationship there that there is little hope) - if the other people around you are all your grandmother would you still do what you are doing? If the answer is "no" in any area (and be honest) then change it or decide to live with the consequences.

Dishonorable FTL. Whiner's/complainers that got anet to impliment this erroneous & irksome system are the same losers that fight in RA/TA and... win or lose... can care less and claim to have fun (dying). They fail to understand that some people do enjoy winning/earning glad points, and that is why they use builds that optimize in offense (not defense or half-n-half). Hence, if there's no monk, why even try to fight in RA? And if half your build is defense and you get a monk or two, you'll be just standing there defending yourself for an X amount of time (typically til the end of the match). But noooOOOoooo.... People have to complain about others leaving (because of such forseen events) so much that September 27th had to occur. Thanks to all you whiners out there that don't care about the rest. GG and see you in GW2 (NOT!). I won't spend my money so that anet supports the same people that ruined GW1 to do the same to all in GW2.

In conclusion, Dishonorable FTL!