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Lord Feathers

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

ROAR - Rangers of Ascalon Return

R/P

23 Nov 2007 at 15:44 - 1

Not sure where this topic should go but here it is. I've collected all of the items, have all three chapters, quests done to get where I need to go, gold, materials and the other essentials to craft the Moa Chick except one ( ZHO's BOOK ) now here's the kicker.

Being somewhat of a role player I already had a book on my ranger and thought the book was used just for clues and I decided to delete one of the books I had. Yes..... my warrior had the book but when deleting the book, Yep You guessed it I deleted the warriors book that was in my stash and not the rangers. So now I'm stuck begging Katherine to talk to me but alas without a book ( your own customized copy ) she won't talk with you. I can verify that

Is there any possible way to get that book again ? and is this an issue the developers should be made aware of ? It's a hard item to acquire and actually this one was meant to be a gift for another ( Ranger still has his ) but shouldn't this be something we can reverse or at least have to fight Zho again to re-acquire the book ( tried that doesn't work ) ? It is after all only usable once per character. My own stupid mistake and I'll pay for it but perhaps this is something others should be made aware of.

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

23 Nov 2007 at 15:58 - 2

Far as I'm aware, nope. Zho doesn't give another book. And you can't get the kit without the book.

Think your only option is to buy one off someone.

Arya Littlefinger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Shatners New Order of Borealis

Mo/

23 Nov 2007 at 16:13 - 3

Just use your ranger to aquire the Moa?

Res Ipsi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Canada

Angel Sharks [As]

Me/

23 Nov 2007 at 16:16 - 4

Haven't actually looked at these books to see if they're customized or not, but I'd be happy to donate one of mine if they can be transferred. I'll add you to my fl, Lord Feathers.

Gatecrasher

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2006

Wilmington NC

Pirate Scum

W/Mo

23 Nov 2007 at 16:18 - 5

They are customized. But if you dont currently have one and have not used one should it give you another? Like being able to obtain full stacks of teddy bears and such?

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

23 Nov 2007 at 16:18 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arya Littlefinger

Just use your ranger to aquire the Moa?

He's talking about the mini-pet >.> Not the black moa pet.

bpphantom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Canukistan

The Eyes of Ashtabula [Eyes]

23 Nov 2007 at 16:23 - 7

/blink blink

Books for mini-pets. I am intrigued and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Please tell me more.

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

23 Nov 2007 at 16:27 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpphantom

/blink blink

Books for mini-pets. I am intrigued and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Please tell me more.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Black_Moa_Chick

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiki

The Black Moa Chick is a green Miniature.

This miniature pet is only obtained via a cross-campaign scavenger hunt. Players must have all three campaigns plus the expansion in order to complete this quest.

Your clues are all located in Zho's Journal, obtained from defeating Zho in The Norn Fighting Tournament

/sigh and I don't even own GWEN.

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

23 Nov 2007 at 16:29 - 9

sigh, here is the info for the black moa chick mini pet:

Acquisition:

This miniature pet is only obtained via a cross-campaign scavenger hunt. Players must have all three campaigns plus the expansion in order to complete this quest.

Zho's Journal

Your clues are all located in Zho's Journal, obtained from defeating Zho in The Norn Fighting Tournament

To obtain the Incubator Kit needed to hatch your Black Moa Chick, talk to Captain Juno in Cavalon. She will send you to Katharine in Gyala Hatchery (Explorable) who will then give you an incubator kit in exchange for 50 Spiritwood Planks, 10 Steel Ingots, and 5Platinum. The kit is customized to the crafter and only one may be obtained per character. You need Zho's Journal to acquire this item.

Incubator Items

You'll need Nesting Material from the collector, Nuwisha in southern Resplendent Makuun for 5 Skree Wings. These Nesting Materials are fragile and cannot be dropped or traded.
You must make a Hardened Moa Egg by bringing a normal Moa Egg, found in one of the nests south of Fort Ranik, to Mourning Veil Falls.
A Volcanic Rock from northeastern Perdition Rock.
A Herring from the collector (Gruhn the Fisher) in western Twin Serpent Lakes for 5 Bog Skale Fins.
A Branch of Juni Berries from feeding Chuno during the quest Insatiable Appetite out in Marga Coast.
A Honeycomb, a quest reward from the Eye of the North quest A Hunter's Pride, or from Galton Franks for 8 Stone Grawl Necklaces.

Once all items are put into the incubator (double-click on the incubator to bring out a small window and drag each ingredient into it), take The Final Assault quest and travel to Sorrow's Furnace. Use this quest to blast your way into the central furnace. Allow yourself to be hit by the Sorrow's Flame, and the kit and all its components will be replaced with the Black Moa Chick.

One character must gather both the incubator kit and the nesting materials. Only that character can get the chick.

It only seems possible to get Zho's Journal once with each character. You don't get a second Journal with the same character, even if you haven't bought an Incubator Kit yet.

Arya Littlefinger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Shatners New Order of Borealis

Mo/

23 Nov 2007 at 16:30 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_groovy

He's talking about the mini-pet >.> Not the black moa pet.

I am aware of that. He said he has a book from Zho on his ranger, having accidentally deleted the Warrior's book instead of the ranger's so why not just use his ranger to aquire the mini pet? The incubater is customized yes, but the mini pet itself isn't customized so I don't see why it matters which character you use to get it. If he has a book on his Ranger, use the Ranger to get it.

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

23 Nov 2007 at 16:33 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arya Littlefinger

I am aware of that. He said he has a book from Zho on his ranger, having accidentally deleted the Warrior's book instead of the ranger's so why not just use his ranger to aquire the mini pet? They aren't customized so I don't see why it matters which character you use to get it. If he has a book on his Ranger, use the Ranger to get it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Feathers

Being somewhat of a role player I already had a book on my ranger and thought the book was used just for clues and I decided to delete one of the books I had.

Hmm let's res the book shall we

Arya Littlefinger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Shatners New Order of Borealis

Mo/

23 Nov 2007 at 16:34 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Feathers

Yep You guessed it I deleted the warriors book that was in my stash and not the rangers.

Ok, have a look at it then, He said he deleted his WARRIORS book, and NOT the Ranger's

bpphantom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Canukistan

The Eyes of Ashtabula [Eyes]

23 Nov 2007 at 16:43 - 13

Ah. I wondered what those berries were for.

Thanks.

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

23 Nov 2007 at 16:44 - 14

well since he decided to delete his book there's noway we know off that he can get the book on his warrior. I take it he wants to have another mini chick. Either for keeps, or selling.

Arya Littlefinger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Shatners New Order of Borealis

Mo/

23 Nov 2007 at 16:47 - 15

My bad, I read the OP wrong. Do you have any characters other than your Ranger/Warrior that can get the mini?

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

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23 Nov 2007 at 17:17 - 16

i believe that they intended the quest to function such that each character could only obtain 1 black moa chick. so, they make it so you only get 1 journal.

this is most likely done this way to prevent people from circumventing the limitation of 1 per character by pulling some shenanigans such as stashing books away in xunlai storage or on other characters, which you KNOW people would do, and then they'd get 30 of the damn things and they wouldn't be very special anymore, would they?

they could try to tweak the quest such that it would give you another journal if you
a) didn't have one for that character in inventory, xunlai, or on any alts;
b) hadn't completed the black moa chick quest (PLAYERFLAG_BLACKMOACHICK_OBTAINED = FALSE);
c) beat zho in the arena again.

however, players would still try to pull ridiculous shenanigans by getting their friends to hold their journal(s), or putting them on alt accounts, so they'd still try to cheat the system. because if it's possible, players are going to be jackasses and do it. So the quest probably has to be as it is if you want the black moa chick to be unique at all.

Unfortunately, this does also mean that there's no easy way to help people who accidentally deleted their journal -- they're just kinda screwed. This is why I've made sure to keep GWEN quest items in char inv and not try to store them in xunlai, so things don't get cross-pollinated and messed up.

You might submit a petition to customer support, but i wouldn't expect much.

eudas

Heimdallw32

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

United States of America

The Seven Deadly [Sins]

23 Nov 2007 at 17:38 - 17

....Guys, the book and incubator are customized, but the Miniature Black Moa is -not-. No point in him deleting and remaking his warrior, sheesh. >_> He could just use another character to get it, then pass it to his Warrior. Or something along those lines.

And yeah...that sucks, I'm sure he wanted to actually do all the work on his warrior, not another character, but meh...as another poster said, they can't really be more lenient about this because then people would find ways to abuse/exploit it just to be jerks. Sorry, Feathers...looks like you'll have to use another character to get it (Ranger or whatever), or buy it from a player (which I get the feeling isn't really what you want to do since you mentioned roleplaying).

Antheus, your post has nothing to do with this, it's off-topic, this isn't a rant about "account based vs. character based" stuff. >_>

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

23 Nov 2007 at 20:11 - 18

Just use your ranger to go get the mini moa...

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

23 Nov 2007 at 20:51 - 19

I like the idea of a quest requiring all campaigns to complete it. I am really interested in that type of quests added to the game in the future. [business man on] This could force people to buy all campaigns [business man off]

I Phoenix I

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

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R/

23 Nov 2007 at 21:03 - 20

He wants more than one Black Moa Chick, I'm pretty sure. That's why he's unhappy.

Lord Feathers

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

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R/P

24 Nov 2007 at 00:02 - 21

I already Have a Black Moa chick which I have gotten with my ranger. I also have no intention of starting another character and going everywhere I need to do to collect the things I need and be in the areas I need to be in. The other pet was intended as a gift and not for farming / selling. I can make more gold farming then I could obtaining this mini-pet.

I do like the idea of them allowing Zho to perhaps drop another book yet if that character has not gotten the mini-pet yet and it's understandable to have restrictions of some sort so that the mini remains some what unique. My point was what happens to the gamer who doesn't realize they actually need this book ? Myself I'm aware of Wikki and other sites and should have looked into the matter but what happens to the person who thinks it's strictly just for clues or deletes the book like I did before talking with Katherine ?

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Nov 2007 at 00:40 - 22

Oh! finally I got time for read this thread

My first comment was without reading it at all, lol!

OK, you mean you deleted book and you CANNOT get your minipet forever and ever with that character? hmm, that sucks! yeah, really sucks.

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

24 Nov 2007 at 00:50 - 23

I don't know why Anet made it only once per character. They could have limited it to honeycombs, if they hadn't added them to a collector.

reddswitch

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

24 Nov 2007 at 04:30 - 24

The way Zho's journal is acquired is a bit stupid too. I've deleted two of them because it's a waste of space. I don't regret it because mini pets aren't appealing to me. If I wanted to make one then the option is forever gone just because I defeated Zho in the process of either getting heroes or completing Magni's quest. It's a kind of deterrent in a way for some.

electrofish

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

24 Nov 2007 at 04:35 - 25

I deleted my book on my main pve char too

It'd be very kind if Anet decides to do something about it, but i'm not too fussed otherwise just have to wait until I can be bothered to do it on my other chars.

Inger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

R/Rt

24 Nov 2007 at 05:09 - 26

Is it not possible for them to just simply make it so you can only get one black moa chick per character rather than only 1 of zho's journal?

What I mean by that is, lets say its possible to get any of the materials (including zho's journal) as many times as you like. However you've already gotten the black moa chick on your character. When you go do FA and attempt to transform the materials into your black moa chick the game registers your character has already previously performed that action and the materials do not transform and rather stay as they are.

That way each character would be guaranteed to be able to get the black moa chick but would however be prevented from getting more than one. Zho's journal could still remain customized to prevent players from trading it and make obtaining the pet easy thus if it drops more than once it is useless for the person beyond the first time they got it.

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Nov 2007 at 08:16 - 27

The solution is really simple to implement, let us make infinite moa minis, BUT you cannot trade it.

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

24 Nov 2007 at 09:23 - 28

The simple fix is to make Zho drop the book all the time it is not in your inventory. The book is customized to your char.

Lord Feathers

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

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R/P

24 Nov 2007 at 15:12 - 29

How do we ask the game designers to look at this now ? Like I said I'm not looking to make a million of these things. I'm only wanting to make sure a character can create the thing at least once if they want to.

Messy

huh?

Join Date: Jun 2005

Follow the rainbow, make a left and voila

Guildless

R/

24 Nov 2007 at 17:37 - 30

Maybe ANET can implement some type of safeguard for Happy-Finger-Clickers. I think a lot of people have been in a situation where you have sold something you DIDN'T MEAN TO... OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOES!!! Did I just sell that???

Maybe a buy back option, right after you sell something.
Maybe a WARNING, are you SURE you want to sell that??? ONLY for Greens, Books, Customized items, and maybe Golds. Like when you use your trash it asks you.. Do you want to PERMANENTLY delete this item?

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

24 Nov 2007 at 17:57 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

Maybe a WARNING, are you SURE you want to sell that??? ONLY for Greens, Books, Customized items, and maybe Golds. Like when you use your trash it asks you.. Do you want to PERMANENTLY delete this item?

For selling stuff, you get a warning whenever you try to sell customized items. For trashing, you get a warning for everything. But you know how idiotproofing goes... people will still merch/trash important items anyway.

electrofish

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

24 Nov 2007 at 17:58 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

Maybe ANET can implement some type of safeguard for Happy-Finger-Clickers. I think a lot of people have been in a situation where you have sold something you DIDN'T MEAN TO... OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOES!!! Did I just sell that???

Maybe a buy back option, right after you sell something.
Maybe a WARNING, are you SURE you want to sell that??? ONLY for Greens, Books, Customized items, and maybe Golds. Like when you use your trash it asks you.. Do you want to PERMANENTLY delete this item?

Don't think the book could be sold to the merch, it's the fact that it takes up space and it is simply given to you once whether you like it or not that's causing the problem. I wish they could limit the Incubator Kit instead of the book

Edit: may I suggest the OP change the title to The "Mini" Black Moa Woes to better reflect the discussion?

Lord Feathers

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

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R/P

24 Nov 2007 at 18:50 - 33

Simple fix I think is to be able to get the book whenever you fight Zho so long as you havn't gotten the mini moa. How hard of a fix could that be ? It's customized and of no use what so ever but to get the mini-pet.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

24 Nov 2007 at 22:25 - 34

If you want more than one black moa chick...get more than one character through the requirements.

If you don't want to spend that much time, then just buy one...they're cheap.

electrofish

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

24 Nov 2007 at 23:06 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

If you want more than one black moa chick...get more than one character through the requirements.

If you don't want to spend that much time, then just buy one...they're cheap.

What if I really liked the idea of the quest and wanted to do it with my main PVE char?

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

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bumble bee

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25 Nov 2007 at 05:02 - 36

want to thanks the original poster for this thread, I am >< that close to deleting my Zho's Journal... phewwwwww

WE WANT MORE STORAGE!

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

W/

25 Nov 2007 at 08:36 - 37

screw storage. add that freakin' auction house. if i could passively sell the crap i have in storage, i'd have more storage.

eudas

electrofish

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

26 Nov 2007 at 15:10 - 38

I guess there is really only a slim chance of anet willing to fix this, but I really think this should be brought to their attention as not to make the effort of what I think to be a very well thought out and fun quest to go to waste.

malko050987

Wilds Pathfinder

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R/

26 Nov 2007 at 15:22 - 39

Well, teaches people to think twice and double-check before deleting quest items.

T1Cybernetic

Desert Nomad

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Alternate Evil Gamers [aeg]

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26 Nov 2007 at 15:30 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by malko050987

Well, teaches people to think twice and double-check before deleting quest items.

That doesnt help anyone though, how many people have still got a broken flute /tapestry shred etc and only recently since the release of gw:en have those items been used for something.

Checking wikis and fan forums would have helped nobody over the last couple of years with those items until gw:en was released, so checking up on items is not always helpful and not everyone knows where to check these things.