Has anyone considered quiting GW because of lag issues? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

23 Nov 2007 at 18:52 - 1

As the title suggests, would anyone consider quiting because of this issue? I do a lot of UW runs myself and find that 90% of the time I lose because I get stuck behind an enemy or stuck on a wall because of mobs because of lag etc.

Even though I am clearly seeing that I have cleared and ran off....for me personally this is a major turn off in the game, since I am wasting a lot cash trying over and over again, seriously I think ANET should do something about this issue because personally it drives me up the wall.

Other then that the game is wonderfull

Pol

PS: I have a 4 megabyte connection which has been more then good since the 2 years I have been playing gw

Dev121

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

23 Nov 2007 at 18:58 - 2

I shout, rage quit, rage to my friends then I keep playing.

Finduilas Miriel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2007

Netherlands

DVDF (Angel Sharks)

Me/

23 Nov 2007 at 18:58 - 3

I'm on a 20mb connection, So I can't say that I have got a lot of lag, though around events it tends to get very laggy wich can be very frustrating on FoW/UW runs but I don't think i'd quit the game cos of it.

-Fin-

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

23 Nov 2007 at 19:00 - 4

Is this about getting stuck while running past the second group of aatxes?

If so, couldn't you just change the running path a bit?

Squishy ftw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Your backline

W/

23 Nov 2007 at 19:02 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

Is this about getting stuck while running past the second group of aatxes?

If so, couldn't you just change the running path a bit?

Indeed, don't hug the wall that much and don't give the aatxes the chance to bodyblock you..

And no, I wouldn't quit GW over it.

nekopowa

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Croatia

A/P

23 Nov 2007 at 19:03 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polgara Val

As the title suggests, would anyone consider quiting because of this issue? I do a lot of UW runs myself and find that 90% of the time I lose because I get stuck behind an enemy or stuck on a wall because of mobs because of lag etc.

Even though I am clearly seeing that I have cleared and ran off....for me personally this is a major turn off in the game, since I am wasting a lot cash trying over and over again, seriously I think ANET should do something about this issue because personally it drives me up the wall.

Not really, you learn to avoid getting stuck and notice when you do over time. It's not that big of a deal.

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

23 Nov 2007 at 19:04 - 7

I only lag during holiday events, the rest of the time my connection holds up fine.

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

23 Nov 2007 at 19:08 - 8

In fact I dont hug the wall, its not just uw farming really, I am talking in general terms of gameplay. Its quite frustrating to just see you got away from a mob when you are "teleported" back to the space were you thought you previously escaped from

I do find lately that people have a great deal of lag issues, this is just one example that really puts people off the game in general etc.

Pol

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

23 Nov 2007 at 19:11 - 9

I am on 512k connection, although the lag is extremely YUCKY sometime, (50k ping) I don't have 90% of the time getting stuck. probably 30-35% of the time I may get that extraordinarily huge lag spike which was also the cause of my ritualist losing her survivor title just 2k shy of level 2 .... but definitely not 90% of the time like OP say.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

23 Nov 2007 at 19:19 - 10

Lag is server side most of the time.

free_fall

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

23 Nov 2007 at 19:20 - 11

If it costs me my LS title, now that I'm so close to getting it then, yes, I'd probably rage quit for a few days but I'd be back.

Twice in the last week I've gotten d/c'd in combat on this char and just this morning, after killing Bazzr, the hench started slide-showing around me; I immediately mapped back to town, wasting a scroll in the process.

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

23 Nov 2007 at 19:26 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polgara Val

As the title suggests, would anyone consider quiting because of this issue? I do a lot of UW runs myself and find that 90% of the time I lose because I get stuck behind an enemy or stuck on a wall because of mobs because of lag etc.

- No, but I cry myself to sleep every night because of it.

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

23 Nov 2007 at 19:26 - 13

I do agree that servers are the main issue here. I am sure everyone remembers the rediculously awfull lag that the game was experiencing a few months ago.

Although, I do think this is a seperate issue then anything that involved the last "lag saga" so to speak

I just feel that ANET should do something about this, I dont think this a huge issue to be honest but it can be frustrating for the new player thinking that this is normal and being put off by the game.

Pol

Severlator

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

N/

23 Nov 2007 at 19:53 - 14

Sometimes I rubber band but it's not often enough to make me quit.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

23 Nov 2007 at 20:08 - 15

Sometimes I have considered it. Really, it bothers me that the game gets almost unplayable, even with full specs met sometimes.

Kahlindra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England

Anthems to the Welkin at [Dusk]. 2 man guilds are king.

N/Me

23 Nov 2007 at 20:10 - 16

I quit for the evening, on the very rare occasions I encounter it. Then I come back the next day. I very rarely find the game unplayable, but yeah, if it affected my gameplay constantly I would probably dwindle into nothing. Then again, I have a more varied agenda than repeating the same farm path over and over, so maybe I just don't notice the irritation.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

23 Nov 2007 at 20:41 - 17

I wouldn't quit.. however if it's really bad it'll piss me off so much and i'll stop playing for atleast the rest of the day

Miss Persephone

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

23 Nov 2007 at 20:47 - 18

Lag has been bad enough at times for me to close GW for the evening and go do something else, although that hasn't been often enough to make me want to quit playing the game forever. My connection is up to the job, so it's server-side issues that mostly cause me grief.

Mostly around events, i.e. 9 nine rings events. Really, there is no point in playing the game properly (as opposed to AFKing) during shing jea boardwalk, which is very frustrating. For the past few days, I've been experiencing some pretty poor lag, no matter where I am ingame, which is annoying, but I'll persevere for now.

T1Cybernetic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Wakefield, West Yorkshire, Uk, Nr Earth

Alternate Evil Gamers [aeg]

N/

23 Nov 2007 at 21:21 - 19

A long time ago when it was just prophecies i quit for about 3 // 6 months because the server/s connection from my home euro/uk to american servers for me was very bad and i could not change back at the time

I could not play at all because the lag was so bad

I occasionaly popped on and off for a few days after i noticed an update on the network page on guildwars.com saying there was some server upgrade/fixes and it's been perfect ever since

I hope nothing like that ever happens again, it pretty much ruined a good game for me at the time.

Big_Daddy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Big Daddy Experience [BigD]

N/Mo

23 Nov 2007 at 21:24 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

Is this about getting stuck while running past the second group of aatxes?

If so, couldn't you just change the running path a bit?

ROFL!!! QFT!!

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

23 Nov 2007 at 21:26 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

Lag is server side most of the time.

If that's true (and I'm not saying it isn't) why does experience vary so greatly? I've never had anything approaching the kinds of problems people are describing in this thread. I used to have lag problems back in late '05, but have never had a problem since except in cities during holiday events.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

23 Nov 2007 at 21:48 - 22

many times...
mostly in player versus player though

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

23 Nov 2007 at 23:23 - 23

I have noticed that lag is becoming more and more of a problem in the game. I think it is time to upgrade the servers but the problem with that is that upgrades cost money and I imagine a large part of their resources are going towards GW2. I have no idea on their budget or the way their servers work but I can't bring myself to believe that they have adequately scaled up the servers. Granted I have no idea how many hops I have to make to connect or what sort of bottlenecks I'm encountering as I go, but at the same time I have very little latency with other connections, including many in mainland China.(I'm located in the US) I don't think it is worth quitting yet but if it continues to be a problem I might look elsewhere, not that that amounts to much since ANet already has my money and could care less whether I continue to play or not.

Actually I know how to test this against other comparable connections. I'll write down the server IP next time I connect and run a visual trace route. This will show me how many hops, what networks I'm passing through and the latency at each node. Then I'll check these results against other servers within the same geographical area and we'll see whether it is server side or not.

That was actually pretty easy and fast. Ok this is what I found. It takes me 16 hops to hit Arena Net's server. all the ping rates on all the nodes are within acceptable tolerance, between 8-20ms, until I get to node 13 in Los Angeles. That's when I hit a bottleneck 181ms. I tested this information against another texas based server alamo.com. It takes the same number of hops 16 but it skips over Los Angeles and the ping times are nominal. I intend to do further testing with different servers both Arena Net and other texas based servers but so far I am inclined to believe it is a bottleneck at some point along the route as opposed to a real problem with Arena Net. So I suppose I have to retract my earlier statement pending further testing. anyone that wants to see the traceroute info themselves can contact me via PM and I'll send it to them.

Keero89

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Fairbanks, Alaska

Me/Mo

23 Nov 2007 at 23:29 - 24

Frustrating sometimes when I have to do escort quests and I'm 90% there before my guy lags into a frozen state before getting disconnected. Or when I rubberband into a mob when I'm running past them. It's like you're running with -43,-37,-50,-39 damage in a constant stream past some Ettins and then boom, your inside some mob. Bleh.

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

23 Nov 2007 at 23:34 - 25

I'm on a 1MB connection and I'm rarely above 120 ping. Now that we can change servers freely, if it truly ISN'T your connection, just find a server that doesn't lag.

Sujoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

In Livia's Cleavage (.)ME(.)

The Early Monk Heals The Worm [EMHW]

Mo/

23 Nov 2007 at 23:35 - 26

I did, but then again, I'd rather get a wired ethernet connection and throw away the wireless network adapter 2.4GHz then give up GW<3<3

Danax

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Ontario

R/Mo

23 Nov 2007 at 23:38 - 27

I've been playing Guild Wars for 1.5 years now with a constant FPS range of 2-15, (I have a old computer), So when I lag, I usually dont notice it =p, except when its a server side 50k Pingage. learned to adapt. Hopefully you'll find a way to get around the aataxes blocking you problem. To answer the question, I wouldnt consider quiiting GW because of lag issues.

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

D/

23 Nov 2007 at 23:39 - 28

I've never had particularly significant amounts of lag... there have been rubber-band moments, but nothing terribly crucial.

Then again, I've played Diablo 2 on USEast. You don't know what lag is until you've seen that...

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

23 Nov 2007 at 23:45 - 29

If everyone experiencing lag issues could do me a favor and record the IP address that appears at the top left corner loading screen when you log on I'll take a look and run traceroutes on all the IP's provided, granted this won't show me your route but I can determine if it is the server you are connecting to or not. Those initial results in my other post give me an idea but I intend to repeat my experiment over several days and at different times, both peak usage and off peak times. This should give us some good data so we can make a valid determination before we all start crying about how Arena Net's servers suck. I'm going to use alamo.com as my control since it has low latency and is in the same geographical area and requires the same number of hops for me.

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

24 Nov 2007 at 01:24 - 30

Again I would like to add that this the most annoying thing about gw is this rubberbanding effect, just been doing some uw runs, (avoiding the walls before anyone mentions it

) and still get stuck behind mobs despite the fact I am not downloading or uploading anything currently.

Makes me want to bite my mouse as my friend used to do, although I dont think I will go that far.

Sort it out ANET!

Pol

Perkunas

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

In my own little world, looking at yours

Only Us[NotU]

E/

24 Nov 2007 at 01:46 - 31

I played using dialup, lag would wipe me out during the "Holiday" events. During those times, I would only play during the week. Now I have Alltell wireless, 768k, seems to be doing fine for now. Have not had a special event to try it out on yet, though. Guess I will find out then. Lag has only adjusted my play time, not made me quit.

Decardo_Skilgannon

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2007

The Saphire Rose

W/Mo

24 Nov 2007 at 01:51 - 32

As we say "Sai la vi!"

Ulterion

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2007

defiinitely noyb

Mo/

24 Nov 2007 at 03:26 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danax

I've been playing Guild Wars for 1.5 years now with a constant FPS range of 2-15, (I have a old computer), So when I lag, I usually dont notice it =p, except when its a server side 50k Pingage. learned to adapt. Hopefully you'll find a way to get around the aataxes blocking you problem. To answer the question, I wouldnt consider quiiting GW because of lag issues.

LMAO 2-15 fps?! Dang that's shiddy! OMG I would get a new CPU bro! Your gaming experience would go thru the roof! I got a laptop with bomb-diggety vid/sound card.

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

24 Nov 2007 at 03:32 - 34

I've considered quitting because it runs too good on my PC. My PC is top notch, always up to date and optimised for gaming, so anything that isn't making my PC slow down to a crawl should be considered obsolete and unworthy of my attention.

blakecraw

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Austin, TX

24 Nov 2007 at 03:37 - 35

o man, forget thinking about quitting, I have quit gw so many times due to getting stuck on those two freaking aatxes while trying various barely-viable smite run builds!

Every time that happens gw gets the insta-kill treatment, but I always come crawling back...

As for other lag, I'm on a dorm network so I have like a 90 megabyte connection... no staight-up lag issues here, just that irritating "I'm still running but apparently I'm stuck on those enemies" thing. Not enough to seriously quit, although Unreal Tournament 3 might be reason enough once the linux client comes out.

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

24 Nov 2007 at 04:22 - 36

I whine and moan about lag in GW sometimes because it makes playing SO frustrating. This is the only online game where I have lag issues come up every so often. When they do, they are quite bad and last for several days, making the game pretty much unplayable. Then, it just goes away. Mysteriously. Perplexes me that when I am having 20000k pings and freezing in GW, Err7's and that entire hell for days when this happens, nothing is going on with my network connection if I play a different game or browse the web or do anything else. Confusing, frustrating, but I usually just shake my head or bang it on the keyboard for a while. Sorts ot out sooner or later.

silv3rr

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

24 Nov 2007 at 06:20 - 37

To avoid rubber banding back into a mob, simply just DON'T run too close to mobs, walls.. objects in general. By no means is this the solution, but it helps to keep that in mind. If you guys ever run anywhere, especially the Droks run, then you'll understand how to avoid this.

What usually happens in actual connection lag is, you'll just stand there, you won't be able to move, cast spells or anything. You can turn around on the spot but that's pretty much all you can do... THAT'S lag.

With that granted... it does lag sometimes, be it your ISP or ANet's servers. Lag exists in every online-game, it's nothing to complain nor "rage quit" about. Learn to deal with it until FO Connections become more affordable

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

24 Nov 2007 at 06:32 - 38

Most rubberbanding is not lag it is because your client is out of synch with the server and can be caused by a number of client side issues. Basically your client thinks you are at point A but the server says you are at point B. This can happen when a packet is dropped or lost and nine out of ten times that happens at one of the many nodes you go through before actually connecting to Arena Net. This can happen if you are on a T3 line living next door to the server because no one, except the terminals on site, gets a direct connection. Lag is often an issue with a bottleneck at some point along your connection. In fact you experience this bottleneck every time you connect to anywhere. Most of the time the amount of information you are receiving is so small that you don't notice. The packets are much more dense in information. In other words I can fit a lot more information about how to display a webpage in a packet than I can about how to display Guild Wars. So when you miss one or one is slow in getting there you notice it much more. Arena Net has no control over the route you take to connect to them.

silv3rr

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

24 Nov 2007 at 06:33 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Str0b0

Most rubberbanding is not lag it is because your client is out of synch with the server and can be caused by a number of client side issues. Basically your client thinks you are at point A but the server says you are at point B. This can happen when a packet is dropped or lost and nine out of ten times that happens at one of the many nodes you go through before actually connecting to Arena Net. This can happen if you are on a T3 line living next door to the server because no one, except the terminals on site, gets a direct connection. Lag is often an issue with a bottleneck at some point along your connection.Arena Net has no control over the route you take to connect to them.

What he said... except made more sense than my explanation

SuperDave

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

South Africa

Forever Knights

Mo/

24 Nov 2007 at 09:50 - 40

My survivor died on a little over 1 mil XP because of lag. I don't play anymore really. I'll probably play again in the future, but don't feel like it atm. I tend to just visit the forums every now and again.

(I did kinda rage quit. I deleted almost all my characters when this happened)