how to fix assassins
Div
This thread is full of win. 20 pages of clueless people talking about how to fix a broken class.
ensoriki
I've never played TA with a mesmer >.>
Just my Ranger,Warrior,Dervish and Sin >.>
Just my Ranger,Warrior,Dervish and Sin >.>
yum
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Btw,Did I win?
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Originally Posted by ensoriki
I've never played TA with a mesmer >.>
Just my Ranger,Warrior,Dervish and Sin >.> I play touchers, tanks, e-porn d*** and sp sins 
ensoriki
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I play touchers, tanks, e-porn d*** and sp sins
umm....................congratulations?
Shuuda
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umm....................congratulations?
Last time I check, Yum knows something about PvP, so I'd assume that was sarcasim. Just checking to see if you knew.
ensoriki
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Last time I check, Yum knows something about PvP, so I'd assume that was sarcasim. Just checking to see if you knew.
Sarcasm like that isn't hard to detect >.>
Bobby2
Attitude change: to hell with the arguing. If you think SP Sins are still so powerful/broken after November Nerf, stop whining and play one (in ANY PvP format!). You'll win automatically, you know, since they are !!!11111!!!!!7334!!!!!! and require no skill to play. ANet's response, of course, would be to nerf the Sin into uselessness some more - and that's what you're aiming for right? Everybody happy.
ensoriki
I just dont like assassins, shadow stepping snaring, and with an IAS (all together)
Bobby2
You weren't 'whining', instead offering constructive suggestions. It was meant for other people.
No fan of the SP style either. But maybe that's just because I beat them off on a regular basis; they never struck me as overpowered. People's opinions differ, of course...
ensoriki
My problem with SP sins is that.
Shadow Step Water Snare with 33% IAS. Could do without the Ias.
BlackSephir
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That's how it usually works- people tend to fix broken things. Unless, of course, where you live, people tend to fix things that don't require fixing.
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By broken, I mean completely retarded class. And you're bad at the game. kthxbye narutard.
Perfect example of Guru-ish idiot. Is your e-penis big by saying "ur baed kthxbye"? Dang, your parents must be proud of ya, champ!
Lorde
I think most off-hands are very lack luster. There is always Death Blossom if you don't know what to put in dual, and you have some interesting openers, but I always struggle to fit a good off-hand attack.
Div
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That's how it usually works- people tend to fix broken things. Unless, of course, where you live, people tend to fix things that don't require fixing.
And now this thread is so much better- 20 clueless + 1 troll. Oh joy. By broken, I mean completely retarded class.
Shuuda
Welcome to Guild Wars Guru, a place where facts are false and stupid fanboyism rules the arguement. Some of the people here would not even be forgiven by Jesus himself for they're ignorance. Even the germs on my body and nose hairs scream in terror and pain, and suffering when I read this topic. Put simply, not since Chamberlin (Spelling) got off the plane with the piece of paper, saying there would be peace, not since then has anyone been as wrong as some people in this thread. The works "Merry Christmas" fail to bring joy and warmth to this dead ignorant thread. When Satan reads this stuff, he himself notes you sick it makes even him, he notes it on paper, which he then eats. Like knights on horseback racing to the dragons' den are facts and decency to this thread.
~ Shu
Bobby2
Wow. You need a hug.
Shuuda
Yes, I do cry myself to sleep each night I think about society and people.
Stormlord Alex
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... I like hugs.  On-topic? Update - 29th of December, 2007 * removed the Assassin class from the game. Fix'd
Bowstring Badass
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Update - 29th of December, 2007 * removed the Assassin class from the game. Fix'd /cry? I love my sin lol... They could just make all duals at 8 second recharges or higher to 20 and under 8 to 8. :P Curseman
I think it would be interesting if instead of going for instagib, Assassins were changed to get past enemy defenses by being better at weakening healing and destroying defensive enchantments and making them less good at spiking, ie, change some of their abilities so they have more effects like Mark of Death has, and deep wounds, as well as more things like assault enchantments.
You can't see me
Assassins do not require fixing.
/End.
Shuuda
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Assassins do not require fixing.
/End. So thats why all the GOOD PvPers on this forum seem to think and prove different. /Points and laughs at the gimp.
You can't see me
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So thats why all the GOOD PvPers on this forum seem to think and prove different.
/Points and laughs at the gimp. Alright, so let's play a game. Name something about the assassin that is IMBA, or needs attention, and I'll explain why it doesn't. (If you say that the problem is the the assassin is useless if it doesn't KO instantly, then you need more help with that class than I can give you.)
Coloneh
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Alright, so let's play a game.
Name something about the assassin that is IMBA, or needs attention, and I'll explain why it doesn't. (If you say that the problem is the the assassin is useless if it doesn't KO instantly, then you need more help with that class than I can give you.) 1. provide less pressure than a warrior 2. more easily killed than any other melee class 3. must devote most of their bar to 1 huge spike chain 4. are less effective than other classes unless thay can instigib, and if the can instigib they are imba. apparently i need more help than you can give me. however, im still right.
You can't see me
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1. provide less pressure than a warrior
2. more easily killed than any other melee class 3. must devote most of their bar to 1 huge spike chain 4. are less effective than other classes unless thay can instigib, and if the can instigib they are imba. apparently i need more help than you can give me. however, im still right. 1. Saying one class is more useful at something doesn't imply inferiority in general. 2. Yes, they're easily killed, but carry many good defensive spells that synergize well with their purpose to protect them. 3. Ever heard of deadly Arts? 4. Learn to synergize a skill bar.
The Real Roy Keane
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3. Ever heard of deadly Arts?
Please expand on this; I don't see how the Deadly Arts line helps with bar compression.
You can't see me
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Please expand on this; I don't see how the Deadly Arts line helps with bar compression.
I never said it did. I'm saying that a spike chain isn't the only thing assassins MUST run to be effective or put pressure on their foes.
The Real Roy Keane
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I never said it did. I'm saying that a spike chain isn't the only thing assassins MUST run to be effective or put pressure on their foes.
The only decent Deadly Arts build is the Dancing Daggers 3 KD chain and it's an imbalanced piece of crap even with the Deadly Paradox nerf. Degenerate builds like it should be discouraged (ie: nerfed).
Limu Tolkki
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Assassins do not require fixing.
/End. You're in pve forum if you didnt notice.
You can't see me
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The only decent Deadly Arts build is the Dancing Daggers 3 KD chain and it's an imbalanced piece of crap even with the Deadly Paradox nerf. Degenerate builds like it should be discouraged (ie: nerfed) .
You whine for a solution, and then when one is presented to you, you don't like it. Not my problem, and not the problem of assassins that use it.
Bobby2
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You whine for a solution, and then when one is presented to you, you don't like it. Not my problem, and not the problem of assassins that use it.
Whoa, gotta disagree here: DA was meant as a SUPPORT line. Now it has become more powerful than the Sin's main purpose (STABBING people to death) because its damage potential matches/exceeds its DM counterpart. At range, no less!!!
To clarify: that's BAED. My suggestion for making Sins balanced is quite the simple one: NERF THE DA LINE. EDIT: except for Siphon Speed. How I love Siphon Speed. 
Coloneh
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1. Saying one class is more useful at something doesn't imply inferiority in general.
2. Yes, they're easily killed, but carry many good defensive spells that synergize well with their purpose to protect them. 3. Ever heard of deadly Arts? 4. Learn to synergize a skill bar. 1. melee characters pressure and spike. thats what they do. and assassins cant pressure. 2. none of these defensive spells can fit on a bar that is willed with 5 attack skills, a snare, IAS and rez. 3. no 4. An attack chain with 3 or so KDs that insti gibs a target is the definition of synergy. to bad its imba.
You can't see me
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1. melee characters pressure and spike. thats what they do. and assassins cant pressure.
2. none of these defensive spells can fit on a bar that is willed with 5 attack skills, a snare, IAS and rez. 3. no 4. An attack chain with 3 or so KDs that insti gibs a target is the definition of synergy. to bad its imba. 1. Wrong. 2. Wrong again. 3. That's why. 4. Sure, label everything an assassin can do effectively as IMBA. Again, not my problem. And when it comes to what deadly arts is designed for, if things in this game were always used as exactly what they were designed for, many builds you see today would not exist, along with many weapons, skills, etc. Hell, guild wars itself was designed as a straight up PvP game, but look at it now. jaeharys targaryen
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My suggestion for making Sins balanced is quite the simple one: NERF THE DA LINE.
EDIT: except for Siphon Speed. How I love Siphon Speed. this is perhaps the perfect example of why gw pvp is going down the tubes.
Bobby2
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2. none of these defensive spells can fit on a bar that is willed with 5 attack skills, a snare, IAS and rez. 3. no 4. An attack chain with 3 or so KDs that insti gibs a target is the definition of synergy. to bad its imba. |
1. I beg to differ, my Blossom spammer can pressure almost as well as a Warrior. I might be more fragile but my DPS is way higher so that makes up for it. Arguably, still inferior in training than a War, but not useless. And I can spike way better.
2. You forget the Shadow Step
3. ...
4. Ehhh... agreed. Assacasters are the bane of our class.
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this is perhaps the perfect example of why gw pvp is going down the tubes.
Care to elaborate?
jaeharys targaryen
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U guys keep me busy dammit.
1. I beg to differ, my Blossom spammer can pressure almost as well as a Warrior. I might be more fragile but my DPS is way higher so that makes up for it. Arguably, still inferior in training than a War, but not useless. And I can spike way better. 2. You forget the Shadow Step 3. ... 4. Ehhh... agreed. Assacasters are the bane of our class. Care to elaborate? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite DA is moderately balanced at this point, to the point where SS is one of the few imbalanced ones left. your just jumping on the bandwagon of nerf da(translation: please ignore my instagib melee assassin) train, but still making sure that YOU'RE favorite imba skill is untouched.
Bobby2
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DA is moderately balanced at this point, to the point where SS is one of the few imbalanced ones left. your just jumping on the bandwagon of nerf da(translation: please ignore my instagib melee assassin) train, but still making sure that YOU'RE favorite imba skill is untouched. |
SSpeed-BMThrust-ExhAssault-Moebius-TOx-DBlossom-Rigor Mortis-Dash
that's far from instagib, no IAS, no Shadow Step: you don't know what you're talking about. /fail
2. Go cry at the Ranger forum over CripShot.
3. You still haven't explained your original statement
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this is perhaps the perfect example of why gw pvp is going down the tubes.
Clarissa F
Because whenever people start whining about how a class is too tough in PvP, they cry for nerf, and another class is made retarded, especially since they can't nerf a class in PvP without doing the same in PvE, as there is no separation other than pve-only skills.
Guess what? most of the people playing GW are casual PvE now, so I THINK the sin will remain as is. Learn to cope, or find one of those games y'all think do the sin better, but quit crying for a nerf every time your undies get twisted when you get owned by a certain class. Oh, and this IS the PvEEEEEE forum for assassin. take your pvp crying elsewhere. I have a class of first-graders who can adapt better. -leaves thread to die in its flames-
Coloneh
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2. Wrong again. 3. That's why. 4. Sure, label everything an assassin can do effectively as IMBA. Again, not my problem. |
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1. I beg to differ, my Blossom spammer can pressure almost as well as a Warrior. I might be more fragile but my DPS is way higher so that makes up for it. Arguably, still inferior in training than a War, but not useless. And I can spike way better.
2. You forget the Shadow Step 3. ... 4. Ehhh... agreed. Assacasters are the bane of our class. 2. see? there isnt even room for 5 attacks, that explains SP... 3. go dot yourself..... 4. yupp
Bobby2
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1. can it also do a spike that compares to Evis + executioner's?
2. see? there isnt even room for 5 attacks, that explains SP... 3. go dot yourself..... 4. yupp 1. Not quite to that standard (build lacks DW) but my Sin's better at snaring. Which is cool too. 2. Yah yah. Not my fault there's only 8 slots. 3. ...
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by You can't see me
Name something about the assassin that is IMBA, or needs attention, and I'll explain why it doesn't. (If you say that the problem is the the assassin is useless if it doesn't KO instantly, then you need more help with that class than I can give you.) |
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Originally Posted by Clarissa F
Because whenever people start whining about how a class is too tough in PvP, they cry for nerf, and another class is made retarded, especially since they can't nerf a class in PvP without doing the same in PvE, as there is no separation other than pve-only skills.
Guess what? most of the people playing GW are casual PvE now, so I THINK the sin will remain as is. Learn to cope, or find one of those games y'all think do the sin better, but quit crying for a nerf every time your undies get twisted when you get owned by a certain class. Oh, and this IS the PvEEEEEE forum for assassin. take your pvp crying elsewhere. I have a class of first-graders who can adapt better. -leaves thread to die in its flames- I have nothing to say if that's what you think about PvP. |