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Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

26 Nov 2007 at 10:46 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121

Wait for community people to come and tell you loads of lies about everything is ok, then youll all be happy.

If they ever shut servers down we'd all be entitled to a full refund right? I mean we paid for a game and we should be able to play it whenever we want. Right.

You obviously didn't read the EULA or the fine print of it either.

Fril Estelin

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26 Nov 2007 at 12:02 - 42

If NCsoft want to go bold, they should for example:
- merge social networking such as Orkut/facebook and MMOs
- create the first significant MMO in Web2.0 (GW in your internet browser => have it on any platform! but that's not going to happen soon

)

I would be surprised if GW2 didn't have something like that.

Etta

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26 Nov 2007 at 12:14 - 43

The only reason not to buy GW2 is, if the system requirements are that of the holo-deck from the federation starship.

Lonesamurai

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26 Nov 2007 at 13:44 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etta

The only reason not to buy GW2 is, if the system requirements are that of the holo-deck from the federation starship.

Etta, read the Kakota article in the OP's post, thats what the thread is about

Etta

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26 Nov 2007 at 14:27 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Etta, read the Kakota article in the OP's post, thats what the thread is about

*read the link
Oh mind! Missed the point there , didn't I? :P Better think of something witty, my apologizes to the OP as well.

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

26 Nov 2007 at 14:44 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Pluto-

Compared to what? WoW? Last I checked, most MMOs don't scratch that number.

That's why its poor to compare (or *call* it) an MMO: in terms of that, it's done very poor. If WoW put out numbers on how many copies it has sold - and since most people here would argue it was a terrible game - then it must be rich off of those copies alone. But that's not the case.

moriz

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26 Nov 2007 at 14:52 - 47

GW is a competitive rpg trying desperately to be an MMO, but failing rather miserably.

unless NCsoft owns the entire GW franchise, there's really nothing stopping anet from finding another distributor.

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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26 Nov 2007 at 14:52 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCSoft

"NCsoft's main business has been games, and will be games," said Kim Joo-young, chief of the PR team. "Our sales are 100 percent from game business."

Doesn't sound like NCSoft is getting out of the market at all...

And, Moriz, NCSoft owns ArenaNet.

2002 Acquired American company ArenaNet which consists of the core developing members of StarCraft®, and Warcraft®

http://www.ncsoft.com/eng/nccompany/history.asp

They also now own Cryptic Studios, developers of CoH, CoV.

Esan

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26 Nov 2007 at 15:01 - 49

This rumor has all the markings of a trial balloon. I doubt NCSoft is suddenly going to drop their main source of income and plunge into another hypercompetitive market. At best, they might scale down their operations.

However, on a broader spectrum, the writing is on the wall for PC games. I assume (and hope) that NCSoft and ArenaNet are looking carefully at the emerging console MMO(RP)G market. The first company to make the WoW of consoles will win this generation.

BenjZee

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26 Nov 2007 at 15:44 - 50

im confused, i doubt there shut down the gw1 servers and all this. lol NCsoft are enjoying making more money through the online store.
I summon Gaile, Anet Community relationship...spirit of light to shine some light on this subject

Saraphim

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26 Nov 2007 at 15:47 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

If NCsoft want to go bold, they should for example:
- merge social networking such as Orkut/facebook and MMOs
- create the first significant MMO in Web2.0 (GW in your internet browser => have it on any platform! but that's not going to happen soon

)

I would be surprised if GW2 didn't have something like that.

Ugh, no thanks. The day GW resembles anything like MySpace or Facebook I'll be uninstalling it for sure.

Dev121

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Join Date: Sep 2005

26 Nov 2007 at 15:59 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraphim

Ugh, no thanks. The day GW resembles anything like MySpace or Facebook I'll be uninstalling it for sure.

UNLESS I CAN ADD MY L33T TITLES TO FACEB00K THEN ILL BE L333T.

Ec]-[oMaN

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26 Nov 2007 at 16:01 - 53

Good for Ncsoft, better to not put all eggs within one basket, let them explore other online ventures, don't think they'll stop supporting games though. Plus it's only natural that their stock is in decline, when they've been riding on Linage1 for years and lineage2, did they really expect those games to keep them afloat even longer? If they did their fault. They are lucky that their country and surrounding countries strive for MMOs full of grind grind grind, you know how many make a living gold farming over there?

Saraphim

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26 Nov 2007 at 16:02 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121

UNLESS I CAN ADD MY L33T TITLES TO FACEB00K THEN ILL BE L333T.

Ssshhh... don't give the Facebook add-on makers any ideas!

Shadowfox1125

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26 Nov 2007 at 17:19 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121

If they ever shut servers down we'd all be entitled to a full refund right? I mean we paid for a game and we should be able to play it whenever we want. Right.

Wait, do you actually believe that this is true? lol, Re-read the EULA. You lost your money when you paid for GW.

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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26 Nov 2007 at 17:22 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125

Wait, do you actually believe that this is true? lol, Re-read the EULA. You lost your money when you paid for GW.

I'm pretty sure eveyone who bought Guild Wars has gotten their money's worth.

2 years of Playing for $50?

Considering the price of Prophecy is now $9.99, I still think it's a great deal, even if the servers shut down in one month. (which they won't, so....)

Antheus

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Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Nov 2007 at 17:27 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125

Wait, do you actually believe that this is true? lol, Re-read the EULA. You lost your money when you paid for GW.

Lost? You also lost the house and car you bought. Money on food is also lost, after all, once it's digested, it's down the toilet.

Guild Wars, and all other MMOs for that matter, even subscription based, do not buy the box. That one is free.

What you pay for, and possibly subscribe to, is the account.

The only box I've ever bought is the original one. Everything else from then on was from online store. The box really doesn't have any value.

pumpkin pie

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26 Nov 2007 at 17:32 - 58

Argh, you guys/gals don't make me panic... Anet forever!!!!

Fril Estelin

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London

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26 Nov 2007 at 17:39 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraphim

Ugh, no thanks. The day GW resembles anything like MySpace or Facebook I'll be uninstalling it for sure.

Alas, that's what many online business are going for the last few months. It's ridiculously designed and they even enjoy the anarchy they created because it makes money! (and they're not bothered about people going crazy, so long as their lawyers protect them from being sued) I'm not defending the concept, I know which social networking sites to visit and which ones to avoid.

I was more suggesting a smart tool to make socialising in-game easier, e.g. integrate vent, or add a more extended chat. Social networking is extremely easy to GUI, but it's an art to balance it so that it doesn't become like the useless facebook! GW would still be a game, it'd be stupid to think that people would pay 10-30$/£ for an IM!

Tender Wolf

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26 Nov 2007 at 23:01 - 60

Seems to me it's some problem in Korea. I highly doubt Guild Wars would end because of this. And if it did, many players would be mad for spending $150+ on all the campaigns (4 million according to the Guild Wars PC Gamer edition). Who knows, that may even start a revolt.

GhostRaptor

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Join Date: Feb 2005

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27 Nov 2007 at 04:24 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

BTW: How ya been, Alex?

Enjoying the sunshine

While I'm here, I'm reliably informed the original source article from Korea is of debatable accuracy. Consider it tabloid speculation. It's certainly way too soon for all the doom and gloom in this thread

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They also now own Cryptic Studios, developers of CoH, CoV.

Wrong, in fact it's closer to the exact opposite. NCsoft bought the full rights to the City of ... franchise, which they previously shared with Cryptic. As a result, Cryptic now have absolutely zero ties with NCsoft.

//RogueNine

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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27 Nov 2007 at 06:12 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Sonata-

I'm not saying there shouldn't be concern sometimes. None of us like big changes when we're in a comfort zone. Hell, if you went through the Star Wars Galaxies crisis like I did, that's enough to shake your confidence for life.

I hear you

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

27 Nov 2007 at 07:29 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Sonata-

Microsoft? They have no business being in there either. Xbox? Pfft. Noone will buy a gaming console from the creators of the Blue Screen of Death. They will never give Sony a battle for market domination.

Yes, companies branching out always means the end of the world.

Good example. Have you heard of a game called Mechwarrior / Battletech? Microsoft is the current publisher (owner) of these titles, created two crapping games and then went in a new business direction that is the Xbox. Mechwarrior for the PC is no more. Companies are about making money. If they have a new business direction they are going to support it. If they have enough money for two projects they are going to go for the highest profit.

NC Soft owns Guild Wars/Anet and what they do affects the game. If they no longer support the game they will close the studio (good example, FASA Studio just closed this year - they created the last Mechwarrior title).

And yes I did scream it's the end of Mechwarrior when Microsoft bought the publishing rights, being proven right is little joy in the end, because a great game has come and gone.

The only hope will be that Anet employees start a company and create something similar to Guild Wars and hope none of them signed a contract forbidding competition with the company. They will push this on employees saying it is to protect the intellectual property and so that the employee does not take what they learn from the company and go somewhere else. A good way to make a profit is to ensure there is no competition. The company can claim to have trained a former-employee on anything even without any evidence. The winner will be the one with the most money.

Tamuril elansar

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27 Nov 2007 at 08:26 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

Tons of shit does better (runescape)

runescape only does good because of its free, you dont need to download something (xcep from java).

apart from that, its a HORIBLE game, and i felt so released when i started to play GW after 2 years of that crap.

twicky_kid

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

27 Nov 2007 at 08:47 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Considering the success of Guild Wars, I'd be amazed if they pulled a fallout on this.

Linage pays the bills GW doesn't.

Anet has not made a lot of money on GW then when you factor in the long term cost of keeping servers running with support while sales lower each year, its a downward spiral financially. If anyone thinks that free online play was a successful business model its dead wrong. I'd much rather pay a few dollars and have great customer support rather than "we have you money why should I care?"

GW is one of those games made to figure out what works and what doesn't.

World tournaments: cannot afford
Restructure of phrasing (skill over time spent aka no grind): a complete lie
Give free trials to other games: These are the ones we really want you to play
No monthly subscription: no customer support because we can't afford it

Fril Estelin

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London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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27 Nov 2007 at 09:29 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

If anyone thinks that free online play was a successful business model its dead wrong.

Where are the facts to back this opinion of yours?

If Anet was able to get GW:EN out and can work on GW2, I bet they're successful ...

Sirius-NZ

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Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

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27 Nov 2007 at 10:07 - 67

It varies depending on the developer/publisher, but a one-time fee does not necessarily exempt things from customer support - if that were the case companies like Microsoft and Adobe wouldn't bother either (I am aware that the former and probably the latter have paid support, but that's usually for corporations who need quite a bit more than the occasional simple problem fixed).

GW has world tournaments, for the record... they might not be on the scale of WC3 or Starcraft, but they are there. And, true to their word, grinding still does not make you any more effective at PvP.

CHunterX

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27 Nov 2007 at 10:20 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamuril elansar

runescape only does good because of its free, you dont need to download something (xcep from java).

apart from that, its a HORIBLE game, and i felt so released when i started to play GW after 2 years of that crap.

At least Runescape has an auction house...

Iuris

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27 Nov 2007 at 11:09 - 69

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No monthly subscription: no customer support because we can't afford it

What exactly do you call customer support? I mean, any game has to offer enough support to get the game running, which is certainly provided in GW's case, but beyond that, it's not customer support.

GW has no ongoing content as part of the package, true - but that's not customer support. And Anet has gone beyond the package by offering free of charge content, too.

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

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27 Nov 2007 at 13:55 - 70

Even if NCSoft got out of the gaming biz, they'd sell off their franchises like GW and Lineage. I wouldn't sweat it.

twicky_kid

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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27 Nov 2007 at 15:32 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iuris

What exactly do you call customer support? I mean, any game has to offer enough support to get the game running, which is certainly provided in GW's case, but beyond that, it's not customer support.

GW has no ongoing content as part of the package, true - but that's not customer support. And Anet has gone beyond the package by offering free of charge content, too.

Customer support like a LIVE support line you can call. Frequent updates with a TEAM working on improving the game. The only content added beyond the box was sorrow's furnace and that was actually suppose to be apart of the upon release but the game was rushed to released so they added it later and gave us some spin story that they gave it to us for free.

Hell, GW can't even manage to make its own official forum. Updates are never listed on the site BEFORE or even briefly after the update has launched.

During season 2 (this is on their website in one of the articles) Anet complained because they needed 8 employees to stay the entire day to run the tournament. Are you f*cking kidding me? While those 8 employees had to check every skill on all teams which were tons of teams because it was open qualifiers during season 2. 8 employees was all Anet could muster for that day?

The way Anet has managed the game has been atrocious. It doesn't matter if NCSoft sells GW or Anet finds another publisher. As long as Anet is at the helm expect more of the same.

If you need anything beyond the reasons explained look at GW's net profit. Not gross profit that they love to make public. Gross profit does not reflect real numbers.

GhostRaptor

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2005

Brighton, UK

28 Nov 2007 at 02:21 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

The only content added beyond the box was sorrow's furnace and that was actually suppose to be apart of the upon release but the game was rushed to released so they added it later and gave us some spin story that they gave it to us for free.

...

You are so far away from the truth its not funny.

Edit: Yep, definitely time to put away the doom'n'gloom forecasts:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/mmos/ncsoft...mes-326745.php

Nemo the Capitalist

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28 Nov 2007 at 03:21 - 73

..*pretends to caRE*

wetsparks

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Join Date: Nov 2006

28 Nov 2007 at 03:21 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Customer support like a LIVE support line you can call. Frequent updates with a TEAM working on improving the game. The only content added beyond the box was sorrow's furnace and that was actually suppose to be apart of the upon release but the game was rushed to released so they added it later and gave us some spin story that they gave it to us for free.

Hell, GW can't even manage to make its own official forum. Updates are never listed on the site BEFORE or even briefly after the update has launched.

During season 2 (this is on their website in one of the articles) Anet complained because they needed 8 employees to stay the entire day to run the tournament. Are you f*cking kidding me? While those 8 employees had to check every skill on all teams which were tons of teams because it was open qualifiers during season 2. 8 employees was all Anet could muster for that day?

The way Anet has managed the game has been atrocious. It doesn't matter if NCSoft sells GW or Anet finds another publisher. As long as Anet is at the helm expect more of the same.

If you need anything beyond the reasons explained look at GW's net profit. Not gross profit that they love to make public. Gross profit does not reflect real numbers.

I sure as hell hope it is more of the same. But, why should ANET have their own "official" forums? So they can spend money on something that fan sites will create anyways? Let them focus on something more important, like another game maybe? Instead of a website. And updates are never listed before an update? Why should they, the update isn't out yet, they might decide to change something in it. And it is definitely posted after words, I have been on when an update came out. When I logged out to download it, I went to the website to see what it was, and the listing was there.

You can't see me

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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28 Nov 2007 at 03:38 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamuril elansar

runescape only does good because of its free, you dont need to download something (xcep from java).

apart from that, its a HORIBLE game, and i felt so released when i started to play GW after 2 years of that crap.

Wrong.

Free play only gets acess to 10% of the material and 5% of the map.
Membership is Five Dollars US. Per Month for full access.

fenix

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28 Nov 2007 at 03:56 - 76

Quote:

I'm sure Sony would love to buy them out and start charging $15 a month to play GW hahahaha.

That would actually be a smart business plan, since making new 'chapters' every 6 months is a TERRIBLE idea. Monthly fee is the only way GW2 won't suck as well, because they won't have any way of making money.

Sirius-NZ

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28 Nov 2007 at 04:04 - 77

Except there won't be a monthly fee.

I expect they'll rethink the chapter model - they seem to have indicated so themselves, speaking of concern at how bloated the game has become - but I couldn't say what the changes would be - if anything, I would expect new "chapters" to primarily add items and new story areas, rather than filling the game up with hundreds of skills, most of which never really get used. It'll be more than just that, though, since expansions/chapters need some reason to make PvPers interested in buying them. New classes perhaps? New races (actually, I'm very much expecting that)?

Str0b0

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28 Nov 2007 at 04:11 - 78

NC soft may shift away but I'm sure there are publishers out there willing to pick up the property. I'm not sure what Arena Net's books look like but if they are profitable even if NC soft decides to dump them in favor of their new direction another software publisher will likely sign them up. In essence this is a chicken Little scenario. The sky is falling and all that rubbish. Until Arena Net makes an announcement then there is nothing to worry about.

fenix

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28 Nov 2007 at 04:27 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Str0b0

NC soft may shift away but I'm sure there are publishers out there willing to pick up the property. I'm not sure what Arena Net's books look like but if they are profitable even if NC soft decides to dump them in favor of their new direction another software publisher will likely sign them up. In essence this is a chicken Little scenario. The sky is falling and all that rubbish. Until Arena Net makes an announcement then there is nothing to worry about.

They aren't very profitable...they've made money, but not very much. If I remember correctly they suffered a loss not too long after Nightfall...

Sekkira

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28 Nov 2007 at 04:36 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

If anyone thinks that free online play was a successful business model its dead wrong.

So that's why GW2 has been confirmed no monthly fee. ArenaNet must love a failure in business models.

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

World tournaments: cannot afford

Why do they keep having them, then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Restructure of phrasing (skill over time spent aka no grind): a complete lie

Give proof.

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Give free trials to other games: These are the ones we really want you to play

Every game has free trials to other games every now and then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

No monthly subscription: no customer support because we can't afford it

Because there is no customer support.