deadly paradox is now 15 energy....
will this be enough to stop imbasinnahs?
discuss!!!
Also SP nerf yay
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yay im very very happy
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DP nerf - will it be enough?
Tyla
ensoriki
Source please?
Also....Lol no.
In PvP its going to really stress E-management.
Pve Sins promise> 15 energy.
PvP your just going to see them take some e-management most likely mesmer secondarys.
Just bringing this to piss us all off =P
Also....Lol no.
In PvP its going to really stress E-management.
Pve Sins promise> 15 energy.
PvP your just going to see them take some e-management most likely mesmer secondarys.
Just bringing this to piss us all off =P
Tyla
So,the awaited nerf(s) were just minor? guess we'll see the outcome soon.
if DP still goes,NERF IT TO....60 COST!
if DP still goes,NERF IT TO....60 COST!
moriz
yes, it's now 15 energy.
btw, shadow prison is now 25 second recharge, which i believe won't change anything.
btw, shadow prison is now 25 second recharge, which i believe won't change anything.
Tyla
it'll reduce the ammount of spikes from SP,though...not drastically though:/
sorry but i rushed this thread in excitement of the DP nerf
...which has been awaited.......for ages.........
sorry but i rushed this thread in excitement of the DP nerf
...which has been awaited.......for ages.........
Bobby2
@ moriz: Except for more downtime. Since Expose is already run as a secondary Hex I indeed doubt it'll have a major impact 
@ tyla: More energy management necessary? Return of the /Me Assacaster? Yaay one less KD
@ tyla: More energy management necessary? Return of the /Me Assacaster? Yaay one less KD
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
Since Expose is already run as a secondary hex
i though it was SP being the cover for that
fireflyry
At least they did SOMETHING.
Great news, let's hope it works.
Great news, let's hope it works.
Saphatorael
Hmm. Shadow Prison IS supposed to be an elite version of Dark Prison, similar to Energy Surge compared to Energy Burn, right? I think I'll just grab Dark Prison from now on if I need a shadow step -> snare...
ensoriki
/me caster returns from the grave.
Shadow prison is 25 recharge? Lol.
just... lol
Simple solution to Shadow prison.
Target foe is snared for 33% blah blah blah.
You warp to a nearby location near target foe. Gives monks more time to do something.
Shadow prison is 25 recharge? Lol.
just... lol
Simple solution to Shadow prison.
Target foe is snared for 33% blah blah blah.
You warp to a nearby location near target foe. Gives monks more time to do something.
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
i though it was SP being the cover for that
On the first kill, yes. But as the chain recharges in less time than SP I also use Expose as a substitute Hex req quite often.
ensoriki
I only use shadow steps under 25 seconds if I can help it.
25 seconds is still viable to me.
This nerf does Jack shit.
25 seconds is still viable to me.
This nerf does Jack shit.
Tyla
agreed - i havent tested it post-nerf yet
moriz
what's really strange is that there are no update notes for the skill balance. let's hope anet releases them later, because i don't feel like going through everything to check.
what we do know is that clumsiness got hit as well. 7s recharge, 4s duration.
*cough* nevermind it's out. buff to empathy? WTF???
what we do know is that clumsiness got hit as well. 7s recharge, 4s duration.
*cough* nevermind it's out. buff to empathy? WTF???
Tyla
clums too?
wow my guild is gunna start GvG too soon,gewd news all around!
wow my guild is gunna start GvG too soon,gewd news all around!
ensoriki
Screw clumsiness
Empathy just got buffed
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Empathy just got buffed
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This is shit ass bad ass >.>
Almost as strong as back fire now.
Watch RA/TA/HA explode
Getting tired of the damn nerfs.
Gimme some mother thumpin buffs!
Saphatorael
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
clums too?
wow my guild is gunna start GvG too soon,gewd news all around! Less 'shutdown', more active play. This is a good change, now the same thing needs to happen to Ineptitude.
wow my guild is gunna start GvG too soon,gewd news all around! Less 'shutdown', more active play. This is a good change, now the same thing needs to happen to Ineptitude.
fireflyry
No change to AoD either.
Weird.
Weird.
moriz
doubled the unconditional damage for overload. how strange :S
assuming you get a few well coordinated mesmers, you can spike pretty damn hard with overload if you hit a caster casting aegis.
it's still bad though.
assuming you get a few well coordinated mesmers, you can spike pretty damn hard with overload if you hit a caster casting aegis.
it's still bad though.
ensoriki
Im going to say this update fails
Deadly paradox takes away SOJ puts in /me
barely any difference >.> Just watch the Echo Iron Palms now =P
Shadow Prison nerf makes me cringe.
Lack of buffs to anything but mesmer makes me sad.
avatar of tree is alive.
Avatar of lyssa needs more play.
Avatar of Balth still sucks >.>
...Ranger Pet buff please.. *runs*
Water ele buff too please >.>
Deadly paradox takes away SOJ puts in /me
barely any difference >.> Just watch the Echo Iron Palms now =P
Shadow Prison nerf makes me cringe.
Lack of buffs to anything but mesmer makes me sad.
avatar of tree is alive.
Avatar of lyssa needs more play.
Avatar of Balth still sucks >.>
...Ranger Pet buff please.. *runs*
Water ele buff too please >.>
Tyla
also BMP is here
anyway ontopic....
least there *may* be less assacasters.
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Originally Posted by ensoriki
anyway ontopic....
least there *may* be less assacasters.
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Water ele buff too please
thought water is used for the snare.
water is alright in my eyes!
water is alright in my eyes!
Diddy bow
your all so getting cry of pain nuked 
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Delete sin usable IAS's and undelete black lotus
Id like to see some of paragons over nerfed crap buffed, better than all the one build.
.Delete sin usable IAS's and undelete black lotus
Id like to see some of paragons over nerfed crap buffed, better than all the one build.
moriz
there's nothing wrong with the water line.
but i must say, empathy and overload buffs are just wtf.
the nerfs to DP and SP probably won't change too much. assassin-casters will just go A/Me for energy drain instead of sig of judgment, or maybe even assassin's promise.
that in itself might make them even more powerful than they were before.
but i must say, empathy and overload buffs are just wtf.
the nerfs to DP and SP probably won't change too much. assassin-casters will just go A/Me for energy drain instead of sig of judgment, or maybe even assassin's promise.
that in itself might make them even more powerful than they were before.
ensoriki
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
also BMP is here
anyway ontopic....
least there *may* be less assacasters.
thought water is used for the snare.
water is alright in my eyes! I'd be excited if I could RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin get BMP.
Congratulations everyone, I'll never play BMP since >.> a-net will never make it accessible to anyone else >.>.
Waters
Less energy please.
Water my fav element....but I don't play an ele.
No way im playing my fav element for super high energy cost >.>
Empathy buff is nasty......nasty!!!!
anyway ontopic....
least there *may* be less assacasters.
thought water is used for the snare.
water is alright in my eyes! I'd be excited if I could RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin get BMP.
Congratulations everyone, I'll never play BMP since >.> a-net will never make it accessible to anyone else >.>.
Waters
Less energy please.
Water my fav element....but I don't play an ele.
No way im playing my fav element for super high energy cost >.>
Empathy buff is nasty......nasty!!!!
Saphatorael
Anyone compared the new Clumsiness to Wandering Eye?
I lol'd. Why didn't Izzy do the same to WE?
I lol'd. Why didn't Izzy do the same to WE?
ensoriki
Also actually.
The paradox nerf is completely pathetic.
Back when paradox was 50% I used to pre-cast it. Why?
I was running a DA DM build with paradox.
Pre cast paradox like 10 seconds before (like mantra of recovery =P)
Tehen start your spells, your daggers have now all recharged, and you have 4-6 seconds left of paradox...go mash crap.
Just precast paradox with high Deadly arts. You'll barely notice the 15 energy if you pre-cast.
The paradox nerf is completely pathetic.
Back when paradox was 50% I used to pre-cast it. Why?
I was running a DA DM build with paradox.
Pre cast paradox like 10 seconds before (like mantra of recovery =P)
Tehen start your spells, your daggers have now all recharged, and you have 4-6 seconds left of paradox...go mash crap.
Just precast paradox with high Deadly arts. You'll barely notice the 15 energy if you pre-cast.
yum
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Originally Posted by moriz
there's nothing wrong with the water line.
but i must say, empathy and overload buffs are just wtf.
the nerfs to DP and SP probably won't change too much. assassin-casters will just go A/Me for energy drain instead of sig of judgment, or maybe even assassin's promise.
that in itself might make them even more powerful than they were before. True. I always believe that skills like empathy and Insidious Parasite are bad anti melee hexes. Those don't actually protect your team which is, I believe, the purpose of anti melee hexes. Why increase the damage of empathy, in a serious team there is no place for such hexes. And that is what they come up with after carefully thinking?
Overload is just lol, same reason. Spike assist with overload??? They must have drunken so much.
Anyway, some gimmicks can come out for those 2, who knows.
About DP: nah, make it:
while undereffect of this stance, you suffer -5..4..3 energy degen if they REALLY want to hit the e-magnmt aspect of the gimmick.
but i must say, empathy and overload buffs are just wtf.
the nerfs to DP and SP probably won't change too much. assassin-casters will just go A/Me for energy drain instead of sig of judgment, or maybe even assassin's promise.
that in itself might make them even more powerful than they were before. True. I always believe that skills like empathy and Insidious Parasite are bad anti melee hexes. Those don't actually protect your team which is, I believe, the purpose of anti melee hexes. Why increase the damage of empathy, in a serious team there is no place for such hexes. And that is what they come up with after carefully thinking?
Overload is just lol, same reason. Spike assist with overload??? They must have drunken so much.
Anyway, some gimmicks can come out for those 2, who knows.
About DP: nah, make it:
while undereffect of this stance, you suffer -5..4..3 energy degen if they REALLY want to hit the e-magnmt aspect of the gimmick.
ensoriki
Screw that yum
Deadly Paradox. All your assassin enchantments and hexes activate and recharge 50% faster.
All non assassin enchantments cast on you activate 50% slower and all non assassin hexes cast on you activate and recharge 50% faster
>.> bye bye DD Spam,Entangling spam, Signet spam.
Deadly Paradox. All your assassin enchantments and hexes activate and recharge 50% faster.
All non assassin enchantments cast on you activate 50% slower and all non assassin hexes cast on you activate and recharge 50% faster
>.> bye bye DD Spam,Entangling spam, Signet spam.
MercenaryK
SP change doesn't really offer much; so what if Sins can't spike every 20 seconds? Were they before? And if they were, there's a 5 second gap now, whoopy.
I think AoD should be left alone: an elite, no snare, 1e upkeep, long recharge, and that's enough to me to be allowed to shadow step to and back. Also it's a strippable enchantment. Rending Touch = bye bye sin
I think AoD should be left alone: an elite, no snare, 1e upkeep, long recharge, and that's enough to me to be allowed to shadow step to and back. Also it's a strippable enchantment. Rending Touch = bye bye sin
fireflyry
Agreed.
Seeing as this update is new it may be to early to tell but I've seen WAY less A/Mo's and SP's in AB.
Seeing as this update is new it may be to early to tell but I've seen WAY less A/Mo's and SP's in AB.
Tyla
no sins in ab?wtfisgoingon?
us sins should get together and ab sometimes
us sins should get together and ab sometimes
pakhavit
When will anet stop nerf sin and give some buff xD
QQ horn of ox +10d.
QQ horn of ox +10d.
MercenaryK
Amass the Sins! There's AB to reclaim!!
Huzah!! HUZZAH!!
And bring no less than 2 Shadow Step Skills per player, 4 preferably! We want to shadow step across the board and RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO with the opponents mind in a mind game of shadow stepping!
Or to offer tribute to the jack RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO that prefer Shadow Increased Movement Speed, let's load up bars with crappy 33% IMS and cap shrines!
Huzah!! HUZZAH!!
And bring no less than 2 Shadow Step Skills per player, 4 preferably! We want to shadow step across the board and RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO with the opponents mind in a mind game of shadow stepping!
Or to offer tribute to the jack RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO that prefer Shadow Increased Movement Speed, let's load up bars with crappy 33% IMS and cap shrines!
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by MercenaryK
SP change doesn't really offer much; so what if Sins can't spike every 20 seconds? Were they before? And if they were, there's a 5 second gap now, whoopy.
They still haven't figured out that IAS with SP is the problem -,-
Bobby2
As I might've said before:
Shadow Step + Snare + IAS = apparently too much
but remove one of 'em and it's quite manageable...
Shadow Step + Snare + IAS = apparently too much
but remove one of 'em and it's quite manageable...
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
us sins should get together and ab sometimes
From personal experience A/Mo's running the cookie cutter assacaster build are now a non-issue or at the least very rare.
Awesome.
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
They still haven't figured out that IAS with SP is the problem -,-
And I doubt they ever will.Your not alone in your befuddlement over that one.
X Cytherea X
5 seconds more recharge may seem like nothing to noobs, but it can mean the difference between a kill and a lost opportunity for a kill. ever see a target wide open and wish your sp had already recharged? well you will find yourself in that situation a lot more now.
SOJ deadly paradox is now unplayable. one cannot cast augury, dd, ea as often as before, which are essential to keep the pressure up. fortunately, i dont use either build much so am virtually unaffected. nevertheless i disapprove of their nerfage, since they were totally legit skills.
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
They still haven't figured out that IAS with SP is the problem, along with Assassin class design -,-
Fixed.
Although shadow step + snare + IAS is pretty lethal on any melee.
ensoriki
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
Fixed.
Although shadow step + snare + IAS is pretty lethal on any melee. Now that was trolling >.> Cythera Your dont agree with Paradox getting nerfed. Can I get a group *face palm*?
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by ensoriki
Now that was trolling >.>
Cythera Your dont agree with Paradox getting nerfed. Can I get a group *face palm*? Trolling would have to insult someone. I'm just saying that stuff isn't good for the game. To Cytherea: Of course they were "legit" skills. Everything you do ingame that doesn't involve violations of the EULA are "legit". Exploiting AI, terrain, anything is "legit". Doesn't mean it's good for the game. |
