Being Knocked Down removes your stance

I think this idea should be added,
Theres a couple reasons.
1) Lol It just makes damn sense...how are you in your fighting stance when your on your ass?
2) Stances can still be used while KD, you just lose them WHEN your KD,
3)Theres alot of defensive stances and IAS stances, Doing so enables much more use. Shock and other skills would become more valuable in this update
4)Blocking stances take a hit, Wards and Guardian aren't affected.
5) Will not work on balanced stance so no1 cry.
6)It just creates 1 more counter in a game that could use it right now, with stances being used everywhere it enables casters to fight against stances and Melee can also do it as long as its not a block stance =P
7) Shock,MOI,Iron palm,Gale,Shield of Judgement, etc all become better.

Oh btw heres the list of current stance removal
[card]Mark of Insecurity[/card][card]Wild Throw[/card][card]Wild Strike[/card][card]Wild Blow[/card] simply 4 skills, 1 that is not actual removal but duration decrease
Heres list of KD (wiki copypasta)

The following skills inflict unconditional knock downs:
* Warrior Backbreaker causes a four second knockdown.
* Warrior Devastating Hammer also causes weakness.
* Warrior Earth Shaker knocks down adjacent foes as well.
* Warrior Grapple knocks down both user and touched target and user loses all stances.
* Warrior Hammer Bash costs all of the user's adrenaline.
* Warrior Shove costs all adrenaline and disables the user's non-attack skills.
* Ranger Spike Trap also Cripples all foes hit.
* Monk Signet of Judgment also deals damage to target and adjacent foes.
* Elementalist Gale causes exhaustion to the caster.
* Elementalist Lightning Surge knocks down the foe after several seconds.
* Elementalist Shock requires a touch.
* Elementalist Earthquake and Dragon's Stomp knock down foes nearby and cause exhaustion to the caster.
* Elementalist Meteor and Meteor Shower knock down foes in an area and cause exhaustion.
* Ritualist Grasping Was Kuurong knocks down nearby foes.
* Any Junundu Siege is a projectile skill which also deals earth damage.
* Any Junundu Tunnel knocks down adjacent foes when it ends.
The following skills inflict knock downs under certain conditions:
* Warrior Counter Blow knocks down the target if they are attacking.
* Warrior Heavy Blow knocks down the target if they have weakness on them.
* Warrior Irresistible Blow knocks down the opponent if blocked.
* Warrior Magehunter's Smash knocks down the foe if they have an enchantment on them.
* Warrior Bull's Charge and Bull's Strike knock down any foe if they are moving.
* Warrior Griffon's Sweep and Leviathan's Sweep knock down the opponent if blocked.
* Warrior Shield Bash knocks down a foe the next time the caster is attacked with a melee skill.
* Warrior "None Shall Pass!" knocks down nearby moving foes.
* Warrior "Coward!" knocks down a moving foe.
* Ranger Bestial Pounce and Savage Pounce knock down foes if it hits them while they are casting a spell.
* Ranger Pounce knocks down the target if they are moving.
* Ranger Tripwire knocks down foes only if they are Crippled
* Monk Balthazar's Pendulum knocks down a foe if they try to knock down the target.
* Monk Bane Signet knocks down the target if they are attacking.
* Monk Shield of Judgment knocks down foes that attack the target.
* Necromancer Soul Bind knocks down the target if they receive a hex while attacking.
* Necromancer Weaken Knees causes the target to be knocked down the next time successfully attacked while moving.
* Mesmer Psychic Instability causes the target to be knocked down when interrupted.
* Elementalist Gust knocks down the foe if they have an earth or water hex on them.
* Elementalist Mind Shock knocks down the foe if they have less energy than the caster.
* Elementalist Whirlwind and Teinai's Wind knock down adjacent attacking foes.
* Elementalist Thunderclap knocks down the foe and adjacent foes every time the foe is hit for lightning damage.
* Elementalist Churning Earth knocks down foes moving faster than normal.
* Elementalist Stoning knocks down foes suffering from weakness.
* Elementalist Unsteady Ground knocks down attacking foes.
* Elementalist Water Trident knocks down moving foes.
* Assassin Horns of the Ox knocks down the target if no foes are adjacent to them.
* Assassin Iron Palm knocks down foes suffering from a hex or condition.
* Assassin Scorpion Wire knocks down a foe after the caster is a certain distance from them.
* Assassin Mark of Instability knocks down a foe if hit by a dual attack.
* Assassin Wastrel's Collapse knocks down foe after 5 seconds, ends prematurely if that foe uses a skill.
* Assassin Trampling Ox knocks down a foe if he or she is crippled, must follow an off-hand attack.
* Assassin Entangling Asp knocks down foe if follows a lead attack.
* Ritualist Wanderlust knocks down non-moving foes when struck.
* Any Choking Breath knocks down foes casting a spell for four seconds.

we'd have 45 or so counters to stance (not counting junundu skills)
Remember stances can still be used While your kd

See the game will survive even without this change, I just think it would be better overall.
Share your opinion on this.

Are you saying this because it makes sense to you or because you would really like to be able to remove stances in more ways?

I don't like the idea really.

ensoriki you probably don't like ranger groups...

I think there should be more stance removal.
As you can see there are only 3 real Stance removal and 1 skill that shortens there duration.

Rangers my second favourite class, talk to people everyone will say
"ensoriki defends classes he likes, like a retard"

/notsigned
Skill balance is never done based on "what makes sense." Its fine as is (especially since many warriors/dervishes use wild blow in PvP anyway).

I don't get it ...

/notsigned

Its not just about making sense.
That was just 1 of the reasons =P

Pyro maniac, the suggestion is.
When someone is knocked down they lose their stance.

I don't get this:
If you mean that stances don't have any effect when you're kd'ed, but function normally when not kd'ed (standing, running, casting, attacking, etc.), only to function properly again once you're back on your feet, then I'd /sign. Seems quite interesting.

Fine the way it is.

Any melee class can easily switch to X/W for wild blow.

That seems like it would pretty much kill stances completely >.>

/not signed

especially with chain kds what good players actually do

sry, /notsigned

although it would make sense in real life, the imbalance is sure to kick in

Stances are instrumental and beneficial to much of the game.

As a ranger when I gvg, I'd ragequit this game on principle.

/notsigned

A lot of things don't make sense in this game. A meteor falls on my head and I'm still alive....
Anyway, it's fine the way it is, don't mess with it.

How can people still be in a stance when knocked down? How can people still live after being decapitated? I'd like to see you get hit by a meteor in real life and live, or by lightning strike and barely take any damage. This game isn't about what makes sense physically. And if anything, they need shout removal, since there is none.

They shouldn't allow you to use instant cast skills while knocked down.

=P Lol everyone keeps using the makes sense thing.

Thats not the main reason it was just an additional 1.

I said it cus there were few Stance counters, its not that stances are potently dangerous >.>

It makes sense, and knocking down is not something unavoidable, nor very easy to deal.
Gives Elementalists ways to remove stances... and more reasons to bring anti-kncok down skills...

And it's not illogical.

atleast there are skills for removal. what removes half of the paragon skills?

Knockdown would be too broad of a counter for stances.

If we are looking for more realistic features in the game perhaps we should remove the res shrines too...

lol? you want kd's to be more powerful? you do realize that for 2-4 full seconds a person can do NOTHING right? KD's dont need to be more powerful. Especially shock... it's like the most versitile skill on a warrior's bar. I play warrior in gvg just so you know. This is a terrible idea.

XD... shock.... it would be funny... XD...
Currently there are only 3 skills that remove stances The 'Wild' skills...

Maybe that has a reason to be that way...

Yeah, what he said.

Sorry, i know in real life it really does make sense that you won't be in stance anymore, but it'll make knockdown over buffed not to mention kill off any stance heavy war.

/notsigned

It would really improve PvP balance... lol

/notsigned

The problem w/ this idea is that if you're going to attribute more features to something, then it might cause us to look at other effects in-game.

For instance, should weapons w/ ice mods also slow? Should weapons w/ fire mods also cause burning? If it "makes sense" for one condition to cause other effects, then what about others?

The strict distinction between conditions, though not 100% realistic, is necessary for balance.

horrible idea, knock down is already powerful enough

/not signed
I agree with audioaxes KD is already powerful. I would like to see a few more stance removal skills but this isnt the way to go in my some what humble opinion.

~the rat~

I get knocked down, but I get up again (Chumbawumba)

KDing is already broken as hell...

I know this has nothing to do with topic and may be deleted but I love your avatar pic

~the rat~

I like the idea, it makes sense.

But if this was to go through, I think a lot of PvE builds would be nerfed.

Sorry, i like this a lot but /notsinged.

lol Thanks

but...how does your post have anything to do with the topic?

/notsigned

Can't have stance heavy warriors take a hit, would actually make RA more challenging.

/notsigned.


Makes logical sense, but then stances would be worthless. Shock's already valuable, I don't see why you said it'd make it more valuable, because people use it without it removing a stance.

I'd like it better if stances would not be in effect while KD, but to have it removed... seems like every KD would be overpowered.

I'm up in the air about this. In order for a warrior to have stance removal, he needs to use a skill slot for wild blow. If not...every single warrior out there who follows the shock axe cookie cutter crap build would put another skill in for wild blow and use shock.

Then again. if you used shock whenever your opponent put up lightning reflexes or whirling, your energy bar would be tapped after about 2 minutes. What else is there...grapple? KD yourself, instead you put in another skill (balanced stance) to counter that. May as well have taken wild blow and kept shock.

The only warriors this would change would be hammer warriors, with tons of KD. If a hammer warrior gets one of his hits through whirling and scores his KD, he doesn't skip a beat. On the other hand, whirling defense shuts a hammer warrior down as he relies on large adrenaline skills for his bar...going strictly off of a few 5 energy attacks isn't going to do much.

Imagine what "You Move Like A Dwarf!" would do to shiro. instead of a warrior nuking his adrenaline reserves with wild blow and killing his damage output, he just pops out the insta-KD from across the room and bingo, no more battle scars.

your target will be dead after one well timed shock (as both those skills have a recharge that is way longer than the time it takes to get wtfowned by a warrior), so no, it wouldn't kill your energy.

/not signed

stances are just fine

/notsigned This would destroy the use of stances during KD spikes on Monks, thus destroying a large section of monk defense in PvP. Icky... no.

Wanderlust would have a whole new meaning

Wasn't this implemented once?
I have had this notion for a while now that knockdown did remove stances.

I don't really use them enough to be sure though.