Eye of the North too hard mode
nyltak
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eye of the north hard mode
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Customer (nyltak) 12/03/2007 01:19 AM
There are places in GW EN that are unfairly difficult, specifically Vloxen Excavations and the Charr Homeland. I enjoy playing in Hard mode, but this is not fun, I want to beable to put together a decent build and finish a dungeon, Not die in the exact same place, because I dont have enough support from the lame henchman available to me. We should be allowed to use all of the heros at our disposal for hard mode. Not be forced to use hench barely capable of handling normal mode. I have a decent sized guild/alliance and no one is interested in even trying hard mode because it is a waste of thier time. I ve been playing this game since the beginning and want a challenge, not this stupidity. 2 monks 2 minion master? wth. This game used to be fun. fix it. Please.
Customer (nyltak) 12/03/2007 03:00 PM
If i were to post my complaint in a fansite forum, i would be reprimanded for posting a same topic as many others, Repeat posts do not accomplish anything. Your fansites are lacking more and more information as people lose interest in this game.
Maybe you should post a response in the fansite forum, since you believe it is there to help us. as opposed to this run around support system you have set up here.
Response (VanJohn) 12/03/2007 03:07 PM
Hello,
Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Support again.
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The Guild Wars Support Team
So here i go, please be gentle.
I have tried a number of times with numerous builds, Ursan, Sabs 3 nec build etc, but i can not get thru Vloxen Excavations hard mode.
If i manage to get past the first mob of summit with thier Contaminator, Summoner, 2 Dreamers and the rest,(on the first level), then I fail miserably at the Necro boss and his 2 healers on the second level.
I am a Master of the North, i would like to max that title. Is it possible to do this with H/H? I dont believe it is, but if anyone has some insight, I'd appreciate it.
and if any devs do actually read this post, why not let us use all of the heros at our disposal in hardmode?
xReLx
Guildies + Vent + No Cookie Cutter = win
Coloneh
try using guildies. the argument "my guildies dont wanna do hard mode" is not a valid point. join a guild that is interested in what you are doing. if you are unwilling to change guilds go qq to support. no sympathy here.
nyltak
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
try using guildies. the argument "my guildies dont wanna do hard mode" is not a valid point. join a guild that is interested in what you are doing. if you are unwilling to change guilds go qq to support. no sympathy here.
did you even read the quote above?, besides ive been in the same guild for over 2 years. and dont post if you dont have anything constructive to say.
Div
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Originally Posted by nyltak
Is it possible to do this with H/H? I dont believe it is, but if anyone has some insight, I'd appreciate it.
Yes, carefully approach each mob and not get all clumped up and learn to prot.
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by nyltak
did you even read the quote above?, besides ive been in the same guild for over 2 years. and dont post if you dont have anything constructive to say.
alright ill make this simple for you. heres your options:
1. get better (learn your own hero build, synergize everything, study your areas, aggro better, ect.)
2. get a new guild that will help you
3. /fail over and over and over
4. QQ on forums
5. give up on hard mode
you realize you could come back to your guild later right?
1. get better (learn your own hero build, synergize everything, study your areas, aggro better, ect.)
2. get a new guild that will help you
3. /fail over and over and over
4. QQ on forums
5. give up on hard mode
you realize you could come back to your guild later right?
nyltak
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
alright ill make this simple for you. heres your options:
1. get better (learn your own hero build, synergize everything, study your areas, aggro better, ect.)
2. get a new guild that will help you
3. /fail over and over and over
4. QQ on forums
5. give up on hard mode
you realize you could come back to your guild later right? Have you beaten Vloxen with hench? I am looking for knowledge on how to deal with a mob that corupts enchants and does insane damage. Not leave my guild in search of one that can do it for me. You are scewing the purpose of this post, and i dont apprecieate it. Asking for input is not crying, and if I was going to give up i wouldnt of posted in the first place. and i already have failed the dungeon over and over which is why I have posted here. So keep your holier then thou bs to yourself unless you have something helpful to say.
1. get better (learn your own hero build, synergize everything, study your areas, aggro better, ect.)
2. get a new guild that will help you
3. /fail over and over and over
4. QQ on forums
5. give up on hard mode
you realize you could come back to your guild later right? Have you beaten Vloxen with hench? I am looking for knowledge on how to deal with a mob that corupts enchants and does insane damage. Not leave my guild in search of one that can do it for me. You are scewing the purpose of this post, and i dont apprecieate it. Asking for input is not crying, and if I was going to give up i wouldnt of posted in the first place. and i already have failed the dungeon over and over which is why I have posted here. So keep your holier then thou bs to yourself unless you have something helpful to say.
Kyp Jade
Paragon > Pve
Washi
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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade
Paragon > Pve
Quoted for truth.
1 human paragon makes ALL the difference. SY and TINTF are just uber imba.
To bad heroes cant use those
1 human paragon makes ALL the difference. SY and TINTF are just uber imba.
To bad heroes cant use those
Wakka
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1. Dont use enchantments. Really really dont run Aegis down there lol its a great skill yes but its just gonna casue more damage to you than its gonna block. Consider [skill=text]Defensive Anthem[/skill] or [skill=text]Ward against Melee[/skill]. Your prolly gonna need some prot but just dont overdo it with the enchantments!
2. Use party-wide heals. Try skills such as [skill=text]Holy Haste[/skill] + [skill=text]Light Of Deliverance[/skill] or [skill=text]Heal Party[/skill] maybe even [skill=text]Song of Restoration[/skill]. If its conditions your having trouble with try [skill=text]Song of Purification[/skill], [skill=text]Extinguish[/skill] or Pure Was Mi Ling. If its hexes then [skill=text]Hexbreaker Aura[/skill]
3. Make every skill count. The thing about heros are that they pay attention to remove conditions and hexes. For this reason I always try and fit a condition removal e.g. [skill=text]Mend Condition[/skill] or a hex removal e.g. [skill=text]Remove Hex[/skill] onto my heros, it really helps at reducing the amoutn of pressure in the team. A few skills that I find to be great on my heros (but the heros ant use them! Shift click the skill land use it yourself when needed): [skill=text]Convert Hexes[/skill], Aura of Stability, [skill=text]Death Pact Signet[/skill], [skill=text]Ward of Stability[/skill], Wells!!
4. Try an NR/Tranq build? Maybe consider running [skill=text]Nature's Renewal[/skill] and [skill=text]Tranquility[/skill] and make the majority of your team professions with a high AL e.g. Warriors/Paragons. Dont use any enchantments, use either full Healing monks or Ritualist healers. Could work, I havent tried it tbh.
Also try to be a little nicer as screaming at people really isnt going to help
Hope this helps ^^
Ensign
I thought the purpose of this post was you crying over your inability to walk over everything in EotN Hard Mode with a herohench build you pulled off the forums?
Popping triple consumables should let you walk over everything in EotN Hard Mode with herohench. Two people with six heroes shouldn't have issues with anything EotN has to offer.
But honestly the original post reads as 'OMG some stuff in HARD MODE is HARD! Make EASY pls I rly need title!'
Popping triple consumables should let you walk over everything in EotN Hard Mode with herohench. Two people with six heroes shouldn't have issues with anything EotN has to offer.
But honestly the original post reads as 'OMG some stuff in HARD MODE is HARD! Make EASY pls I rly need title!'
nyltak
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Originally Posted by Ensign
I thought the purpose of this post was you crying over your inability to walk over everything in EotN Hard Mode with a herohench build you pulled off the forums?
Popping triple consumables should let you walk over everything in EotN Hard Mode with herohench. Two people with six heroes shouldn't have issues with anything EotN has to offer.
But honestly the original post reads as 'OMG some stuff in HARD MODE is HARD! Make EASY pls I rly need title!' sarcasm is lost in print. and you are right, i would have no trouble if could use more heros. Expecting leather bound books for xmas.
Popping triple consumables should let you walk over everything in EotN Hard Mode with herohench. Two people with six heroes shouldn't have issues with anything EotN has to offer.
But honestly the original post reads as 'OMG some stuff in HARD MODE is HARD! Make EASY pls I rly need title!' sarcasm is lost in print. and you are right, i would have no trouble if could use more heros. Expecting leather bound books for xmas.
Shayne Hawke
You're doing it wrong.
You complain about enchantment removal vs. Sab's and Ursanway. What? Those builds hardly use enchantments at all. Plus, they're excellent steamroller builds.
Stop overextending, or aggroing everything at once, or whatever you're doing as a Warrior (as I assume you are, because you haven't directly told us). Get a Longbow, flag your heroes, and take things one bit at a time.
Also, to get past whatever trouble that casters are giving you at the end, Lo Sha and Zho make good choices.
Undead giving you trouble? A couple Mind Blast/SH/SF nukers should take care of that, not to mention giving you fuel for "They're On Fire!"
I'm sorry, I must have missed something. How did you get Master of the North? If something isn't working with the build you're trying, tweak them, or get new ones, or don't complain.
You complain about enchantment removal vs. Sab's and Ursanway. What? Those builds hardly use enchantments at all. Plus, they're excellent steamroller builds.
Stop overextending, or aggroing everything at once, or whatever you're doing as a Warrior (as I assume you are, because you haven't directly told us). Get a Longbow, flag your heroes, and take things one bit at a time.
Also, to get past whatever trouble that casters are giving you at the end, Lo Sha and Zho make good choices.
Undead giving you trouble? A couple Mind Blast/SH/SF nukers should take care of that, not to mention giving you fuel for "They're On Fire!"
I'm sorry, I must have missed something. How did you get Master of the North? If something isn't working with the build you're trying, tweak them, or get new ones, or don't complain.
nyltak
I just successfully finished Vloxen Excavations with hench, and i appreciate the positive input that some people gave in this post.
I ended up using some consumables, 2 hero necs and a hero monk that didnt use enchants. I gave my mm verata's aura and Verata's gaze which helped deal with the insane amt of minions. Livia was set up as N/rt as per sabs build. the other 4 hench were 2 warrior and 2 eles.
I ended up using some consumables, 2 hero necs and a hero monk that didnt use enchants. I gave my mm verata's aura and Verata's gaze which helped deal with the insane amt of minions. Livia was set up as N/rt as per sabs build. the other 4 hench were 2 warrior and 2 eles.
Div
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Originally Posted by nyltak
and a hero monk that didnt use enchants
And you wonder why you suck so much at this game and have trouble with EotN HM.
This is a clear example that skill > time spent is now just a long-lost myth for GW PvE.
This is a clear example that skill > time spent is now just a long-lost myth for GW PvE.
nyltak
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
And you wonder why you suck so much at this game and have trouble with EotN HM.
This is a clear example that skill > time spent is now just a long-lost myth for GW PvE. I bow before your 1337n355, and i dont suck at this game, for it is a game. ment to be played, not lived. I bet you tell the girls your good in bed too.
This is a clear example that skill > time spent is now just a long-lost myth for GW PvE. I bow before your 1337n355, and i dont suck at this game, for it is a game. ment to be played, not lived. I bet you tell the girls your good in bed too.
Wakka
To be fair theres nothing wrong with a monk that doesnt use enchants lol You can still produce a fairly good healing monk. As long as there is some form of blockway in your build such as Wards, DA or Weapon of Warding.
blue.rellik
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I bow before your 1337n355, and i dont suck at this game, for it is a game. ment to be played, not lived. I bet you tell the girls your good in bed too.
People are giving you advice in their way and you're just fighting back. Have you tried listening to what they said? Colenah bought up good points, Ensign pointed out EotN consumables while holymasamune said that a monk that doesn't have enchants isn't good. All of those points are true. You can spam Glimmer on recharge and think you're awesome or you can just cast protective spirit once and then focus on something else
Nornagest
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But nyltak indeed should calm down a bit and listen to what people offer him, instead of just flaming around.
Just my 2ct
Sol Deathgard
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I bow before your 1337n355, and i dont suck at this game, for it is a game. ment to be played, not lived. I bet you tell the girls your good in bed too.
Reading the whole thread so far here, you seem to be some immature teenager that can't seem to think for yourself here. You scream for help, then make remarks like this. Grow up kid, maybe if you had paid attention to what the hell was killing you, and read your freaking skills, you could have finished the areas you are having trouble with without making yourself look like a jackass. Glad you finally beat the thing, but really, you didn't deserve the help you got with the way you acted here.
Wakka
Yea, agreed with Nornagest 100% lol but please dont turn this into flame wars.
Ensign
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Originally Posted by Nornagest
In this case he was advised to take a monk without or with little enchantments
Multiple instances of fail in the same thread! Unheard of!
Wakka
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Originally Posted by Wakka
Yea, agreed with Nornagest 100% lol but please dont turn this into flame wars.
Too late xD
As for a monk without enchantments. Its perfectly viable, providing you have a prot monk (or other profession with points invested in prot magic) with Protective Spirit or Spirit Bond in your team as well. But theres nothing wrong with a full healing monk running a skill like WoH
Nornagest
The monk just isn't the only class that can prot, just as enchantments aren't the only type of skill to do. (Though monks do it best and enchantments are most effective) So if your enemies take advantage of you using enchantments (like Charr using Defile/Desecrate Enchantments+Corrupt Enchantment and Shatter Enchantment) consider using spirits, weapon spells, shouts, stances and what else you can find instead.
That just to say it explicitly. Sure prot spirit rules, butif it is shattered you may get into problems. 
Wakka
Agreed ^^
Too many monks rely on enchantments now, I would love to see how they do in an area with a lot of enchentment removal
Div
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Originally Posted by Wakka
As for a monk without enchantments. Its perfectly viable, providing you have a prot monk (or other profession with points invested in prot magic) with Protective Spirit or Spirit Bond in your team as well. But theres nothing wrong with a full healing monk running a skill like WoH
Perfectly viable, but not ideal. Read heal vs prot in http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10222589 before you come back and make any more assertions. If you do decide to come back and assert yourself, post an example all-healing WoH bar. Actually, what he said was...Quote:
He did. He said that taking a monk with no enchantments was less than ideal vs taking a hybrid monk that heals and reduces damage.
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