04 Dec 2007 at 19:57 - 22
Here's another question derived from the OP question:
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Is PvE really that important?
04 Dec 2007 at 22:31 - 23
If you're experiencing a long delay when swapping weapons to cast you're doing it wrong. If you queue up the swap while attacking or during the cast of a spell, the swap will have a delay; weapon swaps have a delay when performing actions. However they have no delay when moving or otherwise not performing an action. To swap effectively you need to finish your spell or attack, then break combat (either hit escape or start moving), then swap and cast the next spell. If you do it this way the delay should be virtually nonexistent.
I won't disagree that it's silly that you need to move or esc cancel whenever you want to fast swap between spells, but that's just how the game works.
05 Dec 2007 at 03:47 - 24
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Originally Posted by Ensign
If you're experiencing a long delay when swapping weapons to cast you're doing it wrong. If you queue up the swap while attacking or during the cast of a spell, the swap will have a delay; weapon swaps have a delay when performing actions. However they have no delay when moving or otherwise not performing an action. To swap effectively you need to finish your spell or attack, then break combat (either hit escape or start moving), then swap and cast the next spell. If you do it this way the delay should be virtually nonexistent.
I won't disagree that it's silly that you need to move or esc cancel whenever you want to fast swap between spells, but that's just how the game works.
This is undoubtably the most helpful reply in this thread. You are correct in assuming that when I tried swapping, I queued the swap. It just seems logical and intuitive since it works for skill queuing.
Now I want to try out weapon swapping hehe 
05 Dec 2007 at 12:15 - 25
If you're already used to weapon swapping, you might as well. Unless you're feeling particularly lazy and don't want to, which is okay also, because it's not nearly as critical as it usually is in PvP. Of course there will be some situations in PvE where weapon swapping could potentially save you from a wipe or something also. But obviously it's pretty rare.
05 Dec 2007 at 13:00 - 26
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Originally Posted by MistressYichi
I personally try and weapon swap for everything I do. Inbetween fights I'll run around in a sword and shield set, In fights I either have my prot staff for preprotting/active protting or my 40/40 healing set, or a 40/20/+30 healing staff I use occasionally. (word of healing is fun when it has the same cast time as rof ). And yes I have had to switch into my highset in pve plenty of times.
HM frostmaw was a good example 
<3 PvE monking with you. Probably the most weapon swapping dedicated PvE monk out there 
For others people: As most people have stated, you can be lazy in PvE and get away with it, but if you've never weapon swapped before and want to get better at the game, at least try swapping between your normal set and your high set. If you want good practice to be a GvG monk, pick certain zones that you'll take extra seriously and do weapon swaps as if you were in a GvG.
05 Dec 2007 at 13:17 - 27
I never used to bother with having multiple weapon set or weapon swapping. Having gotten NF, and decent weapons dropping frequently, I started building a collection of weapons for my monk. Multiple weapon set and swapping isn't crucial for PvE, but there are times where it may help. I've been in a few situations where it's been very close to a party wipe (bad calls, mass aggro, split team, etc), and was glad I had a defensive set, and high energy set. I still sometimes forget to swap weapon set, but hey, I'm still getting used to the idea. And PvE is an ideal place to practise.
05 Dec 2007 at 13:17 - 28
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
<3 PvE monking with you. Probably the most weapon swapping dedicated PvE monk out there
For others people: As most people have stated, you can be lazy in PvE and get away with it, but if you've never weapon swapped before and want to get better at the game, at least try swapping between your normal set and your high set. If you want good practice to be a GvG monk, pick certain zones that you'll take extra seriously and do weapon swaps as if you were in a GvG.
Its good practice I agree, and I think thats part of the reason its becomming more popular is that people are seeing it's effectiveness. While it won't help you be able to judge in a PvP situation such as an E-surge mesmer in GvG, it will help to train your brain to not stay stagnant in a set that can hurt you if something goes wrong, and can help to make the most of your skillbar. Also practicing weaponswapping in PvE is a lot more forgiving than in a PvP situation. You can get away with a bad swap or swapping to a wrong set and not get as punished for it as you could in a PvP match. (getting p-leaked on your high set sucks )If something would happen to go wrong, if you have effectively swapped beforehand, you should have died in your shield set, leaving you with 15 more energy upon your res when you swap up to a high set to re-gain composure.
So with having the practice to weapon swap in your head, then you'll have a faster reaction to be able to do it in a PvP situation (if thats where a player decides they wanna go) with the least amount of lag and the best results of the potential for your bar.
Granted this isn't the absolute 100% truth that you must weapon swap. You could pick one set to stay in the entire time and be able to get away with it with little to no impact on your team play.
05 Dec 2007 at 19:46 - 29
For me its a question of good practice for what?
If I don't need it in PvE, why am I going to bother, if I don't like PvP.
05 Dec 2007 at 21:00 - 30
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Originally Posted by arcady
For me its a question of good practice for what?
If I don't need it in PvE, why am I going to bother, if I don't like PvP.
If you monk without weapon swapping you monk with only about 70% effiency like already mentioned. Now in PvE you only really need to monk with 40% effiency to be succesful. I never conentrate in PvE and i play alot of PvE
If you ever plan to play PvP this is a good preparation if your not then using Kephkets or the ScarEater will do just fine.
And tbh your post clearly shows you havent read the thread at all, since this fact has been mentioned more than once.
05 Dec 2007 at 23:00 - 31
Several thread posts point out the need to practice it, even in PvE, because you will need it in PvP.
I'm making the point above that that for me is a meaningless argument. I not only do not plan to play PvP, I don't like PvP. Practicing for PvP would be like practicing getting smacked upside the head - zero fun, why bother learning how to do it?
In PvE, I don't generally see the benefit. When you will need it is when your energy management is failing in a pinch. That often means a time where the switch is going to cause a cast delay. To the comment that, timed right, you can swap without incurring a delay - I counter that those are the times where you didn't need to swap anyway.
While it can spike up your energy, you have to wonder how often this will be result as opposed to the cast delay that will result from doing this at times when your energy needs a spike.
Better energy management so you don't run out at critical times might be more advisable. There is also the note that the max energy item swapped in might as well have been there to begin with. Only a few places in the game will spike down your energy - you can prep this swapping trick for them. Elsewhere, its not needed.
Other than energy management, the gains for repeated weapon swapping are minimal. Managing your aggro will better address the benefits gained from things like shields, and if your swapping in a sword and planning to every attack with it, you're on the wrong class.
05 Dec 2007 at 23:15 - 32
Switching between hammer /sword /axe is importand but everything else...
I rarely swith weapons during a fight. only exceptions are zealous weapons after a fight or +15en /-1 inscriptions. Maybe a bow for luring...
But i think using a caster sword with 20%enchant for one spell and then swithing to another wand for the next spell doesn't make much sense.
having another set that might give you +30en if you really need it is nice but where do you think i should store all my different weapon sets? 
Running around as warrior with 75energy (but 0 regeneration) is really nice if you use ursan blessing.
EDIT: oh monk forum... forget everything about melee weapons and bows for luring
05 Dec 2007 at 23:45 - 33
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Originally Posted by Caged Fury
I've been in a few situations where it's been very close to a party wipe (bad calls, mass aggro, split team, etc), and was glad I had a defensive set, and high energy set.
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For someone not used to swapping weapons, and doesn't want to invest too much effort into it, those are the sets I would stick to:
A casting set of some sort with universally good modifiers (a +30 HP staff of enchanting, or weapon + focus being the best typically). Basically whatever weapon you would take if you only had one.
Instead of sitting in your shield set and swapping to an appropriate casting set for every spell, you can simply sit in your casting set most of the time, only switching into your high set for emergency casts, or into your shield set when you start taking heavy fire. Those two sets are universal tools for any caster class, they're always useful in similar situations and come at virtually no cost.
