I'm a PvE person, and know full well how this works.
And "advertising to buy keys" was sarcasm, people.
The people who trade their tokens for these keys are probably going to start charging 2 plat each for them because of what you COULD get. (Eternal blade anyone?)
EDIT: Just read other threads and this is already happening...imagine allowing tokens to be used.
Dunno...while it's fair in principle...the large influx of high end weapons (potentially) is really going to destabilize whatever market is left.
Great, Anet forgot the Tourney Tokens.
A11Eur0
rohara
/SO SIGNED
i'm honestly surprised tokens weren't taken into consideration from the get-go. it only costs 5 tokens to play in a daily tournament...now what the hell are we supposed to do with the other stacks of tokens we have? a guild gets enough faction from one tournament to play 5+ more tournaments. its a silly cycle. tournament tokens were the only thing left to do with your balth faction after UAX, its only fair we be able to trade them for keys or convert them back into faction.
i'm honestly surprised tokens weren't taken into consideration from the get-go. it only costs 5 tokens to play in a daily tournament...now what the hell are we supposed to do with the other stacks of tokens we have? a guild gets enough faction from one tournament to play 5+ more tournaments. its a silly cycle. tournament tokens were the only thing left to do with your balth faction after UAX, its only fair we be able to trade them for keys or convert them back into faction.
Kcp
Tokens were the equivalent to platinum. I mean what else were you supposed to do with the balthazar faction before they added the chest.
You can't see me
I agree, the chest should have been further thought out before it was added IMO.
Ultra Mega
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THINK FIRST THEN POST.
We are UAX (Unlocked Everything) Only 1 use for balthazar faction at this point which is Tourney Tokens, Since Im a good player at PVP I gain to much faction to quick just to let it sit at my Faction cap I spend it on Tokens, Even useing the tokens as fast as I can I still earn Way to much Faction which makes me fill up my invintory with Tokens. You dont understand because you do not earn faction at the rate of most GOOD PVP players. Does that answer your newbie question? |
Have you ever heard of a rhetorical question?
I'm in the exact same situation as you. Have UAX, and have a full faction cap. Just because something is there to spend your faction on does not mean you have to get stacks and stacks of the things. They are there to get entry to the tournaments, nothing else.
Swapping it back for faction would be a good feature to implement to please all the people that did get loads of tokens. But it would just seem strange to allow tournament tokens to be swapped for keys.
/edit My total faction earned has been increasing while it was at max. Not sure why other peoples wouldn't.
TheGuildWarsPenguin
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Swapping it back for faction would be a good feature to implement to please all the people that did get loads of tokens. But it would just seem strange to allow tournament tokens to be swapped for keys.
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Kakumei
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yes a very large penalty YOU no longer Recieve Faction once you hit the cap.
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Tournament tokens are for entering tournaments. Why the hell are you expecting to get to do anything else with them? You didn't HAVE to buy them, you chose to get stacks of the things because you didn't have anything else to buy--except, you know, nothing.
I, personally, have been sitting at cap for some time now--well, until today, of course--because I had no intention of joining tournaments. I didn't really see any ill effects!
Legendary Shiz
Kakumei...stop talking.
Anet should honestly give some way of turning them back in, even if it's disproportionate to what we spent (ie 1k faction = 1 token, but 10 tokens = one key). There was too much lag time in between for them not to compensate for it.
Anet should honestly give some way of turning them back in, even if it's disproportionate to what we spent (ie 1k faction = 1 token, but 10 tokens = one key). There was too much lag time in between for them not to compensate for it.
The Meth
I think the reason Anet wouldn't do this is because they are trying to protect the economy (laugh now).
Seeing all the crystalines and such that are suddenly appearing to be sold, and knowing the huge amount of tokens that are stored up by serious pvpers Anet decided forcing crystalline swords into the cheap market was something they didn't want to do.
Seeing all the crystalines and such that are suddenly appearing to be sold, and knowing the huge amount of tokens that are stored up by serious pvpers Anet decided forcing crystalline swords into the cheap market was something they didn't want to do.
Drop of Fear
even 10tokens vs 1 key would be nice.
we were forced to buy tokens, were the only use we could have with our balthy faction points....
not fair ^
we were forced to buy tokens, were the only use we could have with our balthy faction points....
not fair ^
macke
Tokens for Keys!!!It unfair to ppl who had to spend 1k faction on stupid tokens, i am not pvp btw 
or give them something like 1 token one creme brule 
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Greedy Gus
Kakumei is correct, and I'll try to be very specific about why this is a bad idea (trading tournament tokens for balth faction or keys).
The main reason that tournament tokens shouldn't account for extra keys or faction is because that would completely invalidate the point of having a faction cap. Like it or not, Arenanet has decided to cap faction that you can store, in order to keep things a bit more balanced across the playerbase. If you want to complain, aim your comments at removing the faction cap, because that's essentially the same as being allowed to liquidate tokens back into faction when you need it.
The other main reason is that many people understood that they didn't need to cram their inventory full of tournament tokens if they didn't plan on spending them all on entering ATs. These people will get penalized by actually abiding by their faction cap, if you allow other players to turn in thousands of tokens for keys. The people who mindlessly filled their storage with tokens on the other hand are not penalized by the current system; all they've lost is the time it took to spam the button on Tolkano whenever they got faction.
The main reason that tournament tokens shouldn't account for extra keys or faction is because that would completely invalidate the point of having a faction cap. Like it or not, Arenanet has decided to cap faction that you can store, in order to keep things a bit more balanced across the playerbase. If you want to complain, aim your comments at removing the faction cap, because that's essentially the same as being allowed to liquidate tokens back into faction when you need it.
The other main reason is that many people understood that they didn't need to cram their inventory full of tournament tokens if they didn't plan on spending them all on entering ATs. These people will get penalized by actually abiding by their faction cap, if you allow other players to turn in thousands of tokens for keys. The people who mindlessly filled their storage with tokens on the other hand are not penalized by the current system; all they've lost is the time it took to spam the button on Tolkano whenever they got faction.
Lil Ferk
Signed/ for reasons of me being a noob.
I'm a hard core PvE player and i thought i had to buy the tokens for the keys once all my faction was gone i realized i just had to use my faction to buy. Sometimes it hurts to be stupid =P
I'm a hard core PvE player and i thought i had to buy the tokens for the keys once all my faction was gone i realized i just had to use my faction to buy. Sometimes it hurts to be stupid =P
Wilian Norward
250 Tokens = 1 Key
Everyone wins.
Everyone wins.
TheGuildWarsPenguin
Idea:Let tourney tokens be traded into a key or balth faction at 10 tokens->5k balth or a key for a short period of time(or a weekend event). And after that period of time, tokens can't be traded into keys or faction anymore.
bhavv
This isnt a bad Idea, I only have 80 tokens, then I just let my faction sit at max and didnt do anything with it. But I'm currently on around 1.8 million, if I had spent it all everytime it was maxed I would be around 5 million by now.
/agree that Kakumei should STFU for being an ignoramus.
/agree that Kakumei should STFU for being an ignoramus.
deluxe
Thinking of this again, I think this is a bad idea...
What about the people who didnt bother to get stacks and stacks of stuff you cant do anything with..
I still have a few stacks left, but after a while I thought to myself: what the f*ck am i changing faction into tokens for???
So I stopped doing it.. could've had a storage full of stacks by now..
What about the people who didnt bother to get stacks and stacks of stuff you cant do anything with..
I still have a few stacks left, but after a while I thought to myself: what the f*ck am i changing faction into tokens for???
So I stopped doing it.. could've had a storage full of stacks by now..
A11Eur0
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I wasn't going to go so high in number, but it works.
Yawgmoth
I wouls be happy with ANY way to reward the long time PvP veterans by adding a way to exchange the tokens for something...
I'd gladly exchange every 50 tokens into 1 Zaishen Key for example. Or give them a small merch value for example 50 or 100g each.
I'd gladly exchange every 50 tokens into 1 Zaishen Key for example. Or give them a small merch value for example 50 or 100g each.
Kcp
Heres an easy fix for the token issue IMO.
Add 3 collectors that will trade items for the tokens at the temple. Same kind of collectors as the trade contract, battle recomendation, etc. located throughout the game in the main cities.
1 token
Firewater
creme brulee
other various consumables that drop from chest
3 tokens
Lockpick
Superior I.D. kit ( pvpers need ID/savage kits now for their chest drops)
Superior salvage
5-7 tokens
Zaishen key
Very simple fix, without alienating their veteran pvp players that did spend their faction on the tokens. Everyone is happy, noone gets screwed. This also allows those that want a specific item that is obtainable from the chest without taking the gamble.
I rarely pvp and I have over 500 of them.
Add 3 collectors that will trade items for the tokens at the temple. Same kind of collectors as the trade contract, battle recomendation, etc. located throughout the game in the main cities.
1 token
Firewater
creme brulee
other various consumables that drop from chest
3 tokens
Lockpick
Superior I.D. kit ( pvpers need ID/savage kits now for their chest drops)
Superior salvage
5-7 tokens
Zaishen key
Very simple fix, without alienating their veteran pvp players that did spend their faction on the tokens. Everyone is happy, noone gets screwed. This also allows those that want a specific item that is obtainable from the chest without taking the gamble.
I rarely pvp and I have over 500 of them.
geminisaga
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Even if this is true, who cares what your faction is? You're the only person who ever sees it. Guilds who recruit going solely off of numbers on your character sheet generally aren't guilds worth joining.
I'm not a "pve ppl". Nice try at a direct attack, though, I guess? Oh, I don't know, not spend it? Tournament tokens are for entering tournaments. Why the hell are you expecting to get to do anything else with them? You didn't HAVE to buy them, you chose to get stacks of the things because you didn't have anything else to buy--except, you know, nothing. I, personally, have been sitting at cap for some time now--well, until today, of course--because I had no intention of joining tournaments. I didn't really see any ill effects! |
macke
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Heres an easy fix for the token issue IMO.
Add 3 collectors that will trade items for the tokens at the temple. Same kind of collectors as the trade contract, battle recomendation, etc. located throughout the game in the main cities. 1 token Firewater creme brulee other various consumables that drop from chest 3 tokens Lockpick Superior I.D. kit ( pvpers need ID/savage kits now for their chest drops) Superior salvage 5-7 tokens Zaishen key Very simple fix, without alienating their veteran pvp players that did spend their faction on the tokens. Everyone is happy, noone gets screwed. This also allows those that want a specific item that is obtainable from the chest without taking the gamble. I rarely pvp and I have over 500 of them. |
gogo ANET
N E D M
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This isnt a bad Idea, I only have 80 tokens, then I just let my faction sit at max and didnt do anything with it. But I'm currently on around 1.8 million, if I had spent it all everytime it was maxed I would be around 5 million by now.
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So i dont know what you are saying here.
Now - although i also have some of these tokens kicking around as well , making them tradable for keys is a poor idea.
Master Knightfall
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THINK FIRST THEN POST.
We are UAX (Unlocked Everything) Only 1 use for balthazar faction at this point which is Tourney Tokens, Since Im a good player at PVP I gain to much faction to quick just to let it sit at my Faction cap I spend it on Tokens, Even useing the tokens as fast as I can I still earn Way to much Faction which makes me fill up my invintory with Tokens. You dont understand because you do not earn faction at the rate of most GOOD PVP players. Does that answer your newbie question? |
Hopefully as per past Anet doesn't have a retroactive policy and won't start one now. Just keep things as they are now and keep everyone at an equal level of gaining new Balth faction for the keys.
TheGuildWarsPenguin
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Hopefully as per past Anet doesn't have a retroactive policy and won't start one now. Just keep things as they are now and keep everyone at an equal level of gaining new Balth faction for the keys.
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bhavv
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My faction cap is still 10k, however, when i reach 10, if i dont turn in my faction, my total faction earned still increases when i recieve balth faction...
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Greedy Gus
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Obviously you havnt been playing the game very long. In the past, during the time when I played GW, not using up faction after it was maxed meant you couldnt accumulate anymore. Im sure its still like that but I havnt checked.
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MoldyRiceFrenzy
meh, but wasn't really much pt not to either, considering well... u coudl sell stacks of tourney tokens for 1g each!!! woo woo!
Reptile
/signed
I'd be happy to trade in some of my tokens! I've only got 12,000 max Balth (so I guess I'm still a PvP noob...), but fully unlocked skills, and mods (and that's counting the time some of the mods 're-locked' on me!). I've only got about 90 tokens.. My guild is not organized enough to go hard core PvP as we are happy with PvE and ABs at the mo.
Tokens are fine. I'd get them if I could use them... but for now I'd love to get that storage space back again! ;-)
I'd be happy to trade in some of my tokens! I've only got 12,000 max Balth (so I guess I'm still a PvP noob...), but fully unlocked skills, and mods (and that's counting the time some of the mods 're-locked' on me!). I've only got about 90 tokens.. My guild is not organized enough to go hard core PvP as we are happy with PvE and ABs at the mo.
Tokens are fine. I'd get them if I could use them... but for now I'd love to get that storage space back again! ;-)
macke
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No one forced you to buy your pvp skills. You could have used your Balth faction points to buy your skills instead. That's all the Balth faction points were for for a long time. Then they gave you tournament tokens and now you want something else an exchange for tournament tokens into Balth faction and/or keys. Tough, you're SOL because tournament tokens are just that for tournaments. Next time don't waste $40+ on something you could have gotten within the game and then complain about you gain faction too fast to spend it. You had that opportunity to spend it you just spent your money instead. Not Anets fault merely and only yours.
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anonymous
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There's no debate. You're wrong and he's right. Some time after Nightfall was released (before tourney tokens came in), all earned balth faction accumulated for your account total, even if you had hit the cap. There was no point for all these pvp players to spam their inventory full of the tokens; perhaps they just like shiny coins like many pve players.
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The point of buying tokens was hoping ANet would give them a use other than tournaments since they were the only thing to spend faction on, at least thats why I bought them. I was disappointed to see that I couldn't turn them in for keys.
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Keithark
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I agree, the chest should have been further thought out before it was added IMO.
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Ha! Newbie question. Compare our join dates, then you will be able to work out which one of us is closer to being a newb.
Have you ever heard of a rhetorical question? I'm in the exact same situation as you. Have UAX, and have a full faction cap. Just because something is there to spend your faction on does not mean you have to get stacks and stacks of the things. They are there to get entry to the tournaments, nothing else. Swapping it back for faction would be a good feature to implement to please all the people that did get loads of tokens. But it would just seem strange to allow tournament tokens to be swapped for keys. /edit My total faction earned has been increasing while it was at max. Not sure why other peoples wouldn't. |
Lol compare our join dates. lol if you only knew.
IslandHermet
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No one forced you to buy your pvp skills. You could have used your Balth faction points to buy your skills instead. That's all the Balth faction points were for for a long time. Then they gave you tournament tokens and now you want something else an exchange for tournament tokens into Balth faction and/or keys. Tough, you're SOL because tournament tokens are just that for tournaments. Next time don't waste $40+ on something you could have gotten within the game and then complain about you gain faction too fast to spend it. You had that opportunity to spend it you just spent your money instead. Not Anets fault merely and only yours.
Hopefully as per past Anet doesn't have a retroactive policy and won't start one now. Just keep things as they are now and keep everyone at an equal level of gaining new Balth faction for the keys. |
wow you dumb (my post says nothing about buying pvp skill packs it says buying skills thats (from the trader for you simple folk)I did not buy the PVP crap nore have I ever used the dumb Anet store. I like to buy from a real store and have a nice little GW tribute setup with all the boxes and extras around my computer.
I unlocked everything by killing people like you in PVP. and getting legendary skill hunter on my title char.
O and for the record the day prophicies came out I bought it, the day faction came out I bought it, and same for NF and same for GW:EN.
maybe I should clear that up first. or better yet you go ahead and point out were in my post it says I bought the dumb pvp packs?
Drop of Fear
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Heres an easy fix for the token issue IMO.
Add 3 collectors that will trade items for the tokens at the temple. Same kind of collectors as the trade contract, battle recomendation, etc. located throughout the game in the main cities. 1 token Firewater creme brulee other various consumables that drop from chest 3 tokens Lockpick Superior I.D. kit ( pvpers need ID/savage kits now for their chest drops) Superior salvage 5-7 tokens Zaishen key Very simple fix, without alienating their veteran pvp players that did spend their faction on the tokens. Everyone is happy, noone gets screwed. This also allows those that want a specific item that is obtainable from the chest without taking the gamble. I rarely pvp and I have over 500 of them. |
even 10 token for 1 keys would be fine tho.
Pyro maniac
I don't know, but we should be happy we do have got something
look at the faction history
1 all unlocks via PvE
2 balth faction introduced
3-5 faction gain increased
6 we got tournament tokens
7 we get keys
There is some improvement here, and like alot things here in gw they were not retro-active
The only reason you want keys, are because you can sell the rare weapons. Allowing tokens > keys will drop prices and alot more QQ threads will be made in riverside.
look at the faction history
1 all unlocks via PvE
2 balth faction introduced
3-5 faction gain increased
6 we got tournament tokens
7 we get keys
There is some improvement here, and like alot things here in gw they were not retro-active
The only reason you want keys, are because you can sell the rare weapons. Allowing tokens > keys will drop prices and alot more QQ threads will be made in riverside.
Iotan
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The point of buying tokens was hoping ANet would give them a use other than tournaments since they were the only thing to spend faction on, at least thats why I bought them. I was disappointed to see that I couldn't turn them in for keys.
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Torsen1
If you hold on to your stack of tournament tokens, someday they will theoretically have some value. If people ever run out of the stack or so they have on hand for their own guilds' use, they will need to get tokens from somewhere. At that point it costs just as much to get 5 tokens as a zaishen key. If keys are still selling for 2k at this time, you should be able to get something near 400g for a tournament token.
Most people I know in the gvg community have 1 stack or so in storage. That means ~2000 tokens on hand for your average gvg guild. If an active guild were to enter 20 AT's per month, this supply would last them ~20 months.
Don't worry, you'll be rich in no time.
Most people I know in the gvg community have 1 stack or so in storage. That means ~2000 tokens on hand for your average gvg guild. If an active guild were to enter 20 AT's per month, this supply would last them ~20 months.
Don't worry, you'll be rich in no time.
pkodyssey
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This only makes sense, I am hardcore pve player and don't even Pvp much and but I still have everything i need unlocked thanks to AB. My balthazars faction cap limit is 10K thats it:P I do have a fair collection of tourney tokens.Thats like 3 games of AB to max it, the tourney tokens were the only way to spend it. But heres the thing I know a guy who just has over a Million tournament tokens o.o That would mean 200,000 keys, imagine what those keys can unleash on the market, all golds will be dirt cheap. But please Anet let their be a way to get 1K balthazars faction back by exchanging a tournament token, its not fair to people with maxed out balthazars action who had no way to spend it cept using tourney tokens! |
IMPOSSIBLE on one account.