Great, Anet forgot the Tourney Tokens.

It was Generelization, even a 100,000 tokens would still unleash 20,000 Keys!

Agree with OP.

/signed 1000 times.

same here! have about 250 of them..

Knew what? Perhaps if you explain yourself more clearly people may understand what you are talking about.
I was just pointing out that you calling me a newbie was unjustified, get a clue.

I got about 350, and would really like to convert them to keys.

10:1 would be fine by me.

I don't know about folks rambling about how it will "make the rares less rare". I mean, right now thousands of chests have been opened, and zero reports of a new mini or unique skin. A few very rare or very good skins that you could only get from halls, maybe.

Adding more keys to the pool would only decrease the price that keys are traded for, right?

for those people doubting the effect of these zaishen chest just head over the HE forum.
Eternal Blade was once called "rarest of rarest" valued at more than pandas and possibly equal with kanaxai.

then zaishen chests came in..

eternals are now 100k+160e and theyr still not getting bought.

as long as you increase the quantity from 1 (3 weeks ago) to i say 20 or 25, still not alot but prices DROPPPPED drastically,
same goes for all high end wpns.

/Signed

I have a modest 406 Tournament Tokens. I did the same thing as another guy and got LSH on my title character, then unlocked the rest using PvP. I wasn't sure whether or not my balth increased after hitting my then-23k cap (now 28k), and I honestly didn't want to find out. So I spammed up Tolkano ever so often.

Then the Zaishen Chest came out. When I talked with Tolkano for my first keys, I could have SWORN that it was a bug that Tournament Reward Points were accepted and not Tokens. I proclaimed that loudly to the guild, in fact. I considered my Tokens to be both a guild stock for ATs should we ever start doing them (still not there, working on it), and as a "deposit" of my faction for some certain later purpose. And now those stacks of Tokens are rather...pointless.

As stated above, nearly every PvPer would gladly take 10:1 rate. That's 50% Depreciation, which in the economic sense makes NO sense to accept. Yet we want SOMETHING to do with the Tokens we will never all use (I've got a low total, people have scads of the things). If the sticking point is that they're called "Tournament Tokens", just change them to "Zaishen Tokens" and implement 10:1. Call it imbalanced all you want, it's fair considering the amount of time spent without any other way to use the faction.

OMG!1
I opened millions of chests BEFORE the chest title was introduced!
And now I am in the same position as all other bastards that didn't open a single ONE!11
HOLSihf 89az0p9zn 9xbemnfdbfuizbxpozc8o7b viu n895b75bcv5 !1!11!11!!1!!11!!!1!!111!!!!1!

You just got screwed!
Now you are officially a GW player!

/still no rolleyes emote?

Gogo Tourney

Kcp wins. Suck less Anet

1 Token = 1 Key

Since so many people saw the hint that the faction cap was meant to be bypassed through tokens, they should be rewarded!

This is silly.
The faction cap is there for a reason, if they wanted you to hold infinite faction, the cap would never have been there.

First of all, Kudos to Anet for finally giving us a faction sink.

Next...
What you are all failing to take into account, is that in the case of someone who had unlocked everything already, and before Zaishen Keys, there was nothing in the game to do with faction except for buy Tournament Tokens.

So that regardless of whether you had any interest in Tournaments, you only had two choices when it came to the faction that you earned, let it all be wasted, or trade it for Tournament Tokens.

I, for one, had no interest in tournaments, but I wasn't going to just let all my faction go to waste, so folks like me and many others either stopped playing PvP, our bought Tournament Tokens in the hope that some day Anet might give us a better use for our faction. It was the only option Anet made available to us. It isn't like we were dying to enter hundreds of tournaments one day, and later changed our mind, and so we were stuck with tokens. It was the ONLY option for faction. Get it?

Now that Anet has finally created a faction sink for the increasing number of players that will be fully unlocked and at their max faction cap as this game ages, people want to be able to use their surplus faction (Tokens) for that purpose. The same way that it is used today with new faction (traded for keys). It doesn't seem that unreasonable.

If Anet had provided ANY other use for that faction before now, then that is what we would have done with our faction at the time. If we could have turned it into Flames of Balthazar, Gold, Candy Canes, ANYTHING, then we would have. We already spent enough of it to unlock every skill, rune, weapon, mod, hero, etc. in the game, regardless of having any need for them. We'd have traded that faction for anything. Anet only gave us Tournament Tokens.
Do you understand now Kakumei?

Gogo Tourney

stated perfectly. there woiuld be way too many zaishen keys around, this way more rare items around, and prices would drop far too low.

I want a ghostly mini T_T....but with 1.2k faction....I sha'll dream!

Reworked the reward system for tokens based on pricing and quality of the items. Also, added extra for variety and fairness. 1 Token for a Flask of Firewater is far too cheap for a 3 minute drink.

1 Token
Sugary Blue Drink
Bottle Rocket
Sparkler
Champagne Popper
Scroll of Adventurer's Insight


3 Tokens
Flask of Firewater
Crème Brûlée
Superior Identification Kit
Superior Salvage Kit
Flame Of Balthazar
Scroll of Rampager's Insight
Scroll of Hunter's Insight

5 Tokens
Zaishen Key
Lockpick
Perfect Salvage Kit

50-100 Tokens
Celestial Sigil


Flame of Balthazar awards the user of the product: 1,000 Balthazar faction. For those who don't wish to purchase skills in the online store (or can't) and isn't skilled enough or have the time to earn Balthazar faction, this is an alternative to trade 3 tokens (which they can buy from players) to get. If we made this at 1 Token, players would unlock all skills far too quickly. It should be a lazy way out, but at a decent fair price, not one that is too unbalanced.

Zaishen Key is appropriate for those who wish to get keys, and perhaps other items by buying tokens off other players. Also, if a person stores up tokens for other things, and changes their mind.

The Celestial Sigil could be used as a team effort, since, not everyone PvE's and makes gold in Guild Wars, so why not give them an option to earn a new Guild Hall based off Balthazar Faction itself, sort of as if it was the gold of the PvP community?

Nobody that knows anything said that, unless they were selling one of the eternal blades at the time. They dropped from a reward chest, pandas and kanaxxi do not.

Yeah right like I believe that LIE! hah You didn't earn anything you bought it from the store and now are just lying to try to get what you want. But, ain't gonna happen anyway P.A.L. so I don't really care what you lie about. I know you are lying because you could NEVER beat me in PVP P.A.L. I stomp people like you everyday with a mouth like you have.

I unlocked all the skills in the game by earning Balthazar faction or buying the skill in PvE. Are you going to call me a liar too, when I have earned 1,469,216 Balthazar faction total? For Christ's sake, my Warrior has all the elite skills on her. Not to mention every skill for Warrior, Ranger, and Assassin. Try buying that in the Online store.

And me a liar with my 1,259,000+ Balthazar Faction? I know it's hard for your brain to comprehend, but people DO UAX without ever spending money on the unlock packs.

What your failing to take into account is that I was asking a rhetorical question. Of course I understand this, I was in the same situation. You would have relised this if you read my other posts.

Great so you decided to buy a bunch of tokens hoping to cash them in one day. Stock up potential faction so you could makes some quick gold if Anet let you trade them for keys.

But Anet decided not to reward the people stock piling the tokens. Because guess what? That was never their purpose. Tournament tokens are for tournaments. Get it?

Okay, ill have my 1000+keys then. Surely that unique item ought to drop then.

mm then all items would drop prices alot and keys become worthless? you can get token for 50-100g But atm 1 key = 4-5k So 100tokens = 1key would be better ^^

No the only way this would work fair is to do 5 tokens ( 5k balth ) = 1 key .. same trade .. or you could do double the cost to sell back to the merch , kinda like if you buy a id kit at 100 gold he will buy it back at 50 gold ..

interesting... and yes your right they are for tournaments... at the time there was nothing else to spend faction on. Now there is. We want an even exchange. Get it?

Hey, dont forget about those tokens guys

Still have mine. Still waiting more of a usage.

I would like more usage to

Well I still haven't gotten a reward of any sort from the Xunali agent even though I made my predictions. So I haven't gotten points, tonics, nothing. So I just gave up.

I have tokens too, but keeping it for a rainy day
I have gotten about 50 zkeys with my reward points thus far, so it's all good.
Crap drops from the chest anyway... so
meh

it's tournament tokens, why would you use them for more then enter tournaments,
Why would A-net call them Tournament Tokens ???
mayb just for Tournaments ??