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alexkapi12

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

07 Dec 2007 at 05:15 - 1

Now that the Zaishen Chest are popular and they drop rare items everyone is going to get or buy keys for the chest and chest runs wont be happening as the chest is easy to get to.I dont like the sound of that Zaishen Chest woluld be destroying the game

holababe

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

Goon Squad [LLJK]

Mo/

07 Dec 2007 at 05:17 - 2

So far the chest doesn't seem to be dropping anything gamebreaking.
5k faction seems overpriced for the spread you can get (a flask of firewater to a decent weapon)

alexkapi12

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

07 Dec 2007 at 05:18 - 3

that could be but many guilds are good and people from the huge guilds are selling over 100 keys!
Not only they will make money good items could drop
The common price for the key is 2k
lets say you got an elite tome that is worth 10k
you guys got 8k for free and even more if it was a good weapon

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

07 Dec 2007 at 05:21 - 4

1. The economy is already bad.
2. People do chest runs in PvE already.
3. Most of the time people get crap from the chest.

capitalist

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

07 Dec 2007 at 05:25 - 5

Is there a way to link back to "The Economy's Dead" threads from 2 years ago?

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

07 Dec 2007 at 06:23 - 6

People will still do chest runs because the Zaizhen chest doesn't count towards the Treasure Hunter title.

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

07 Dec 2007 at 07:27 - 7

Yes, I agree. Due to the fact that PvE chest runners are the backbone of our economy having this one chests that spits out mostly Firewater and Creme Brule's will destroy everything. Even worse no one will ever play PvE anymore and will only be playing PvP in order to grind out 5000 faction (chest running being the whole game and all).

Er, or maybe we will not see an effect at all since the rewards aren't good (and if anything currently rare drops from it at a greater chance than other places in the game then it will cease to be rare and a desired drop), it doesn't give any points to a title, and you have to PvP to get keys.

Not sure which one it is though.

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

07 Dec 2007 at 07:34 - 8

Zaishen Chest will NOT destroy economy.

The "boom" is just today, because some of us have a lot of faction/point accumulated (30 keys in my case), but tomorrow you will need 5k faction per key, just nothing in comparison to PvE drops.

Roshi_ikkyu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/W

07 Dec 2007 at 07:37 - 9

Give it a week and the only people buying or PvPing for keys will be people who don't know better.

Seriously from the sounds of it the faction cost is too high for the outcome, flask firewater, and the weapons dropping are crap.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

07 Dec 2007 at 07:38 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexkapi12

that could be but many guilds are good and people from the huge guilds are selling over 100 keys!
Not only they will make money good items could drop
The common price for the key is 2k
lets say you got an elite tome that is worth 10k
you guys got 8k for free and even more if it was a good weapon

Or, in about 50% of the cases, you get booze, a tonic, or a sweet from it, and you've wasted ~1.5k. The price is 2k for a reason: it's a gamble.

Yarghetaus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

Clan Acciaio [AcO]

07 Dec 2007 at 09:08 - 11

Personally I won't waste points in Zaishen keys, rewards range is too wide from valuable gold to crappy alcohol/sweet.

So no, I don't think they will end the PvE chest-running at all.

Cold Hearted Zero

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Gotass Community [gA]

07 Dec 2007 at 09:17 - 12

Finally something to spend faction on

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

07 Dec 2007 at 09:17 - 13

PvE chestrunning is about title anyway, this does not give it, so, pointless to try to get keys for sake of them.

But as bath faction sink, its excelent.

Friar Khan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

California

07 Dec 2007 at 09:33 - 14

This update is good and 5k faction isn't too much. The chest gives PvPers who've unlocked everything already a chance to get something with their faction.

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

07 Dec 2007 at 09:46 - 15

doesn't add to title ftl

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

07 Dec 2007 at 09:59 - 16

Didn't it die with Hard Mode and loot scaling already?

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

07 Dec 2007 at 10:07 - 17

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

1. When person plays PvP he doesn't play PvE, can we agree with this?
2. If person couldn't play PvP he would play PvE or not play at all, can we agree with this?
3. When person plays PvE he gets drops and gold, can we agree with this?
4. Now person gets same things when playing PvP and PvE. If we agree with #1, #2 and #3 then economy stays the same.

ricocheting

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/D

07 Dec 2007 at 10:14 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by capitalist

Is there a way to link back to "The Economy's Dead" threads from 2 years ago?

compared to 2 years ago, the economy is beyond dead. my first +30hp bow grip i ever sold, I got 140k for it and the person buying thought they got the best deal ever... do I even have to say what I finally got for one I was trying to sell yesterday ...? so current market is about 1% of it's original worth? guess that doesn't classify as dead enough for some people though.

ghostlyfenix

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

W/

07 Dec 2007 at 10:56 - 19

lol........economy for rare weps always drop and with zaishen chest , its already happening, i cant even sell my q11 styg reaver for 100k+10e and voltaics, crysts, eternals already having sudden drop in price

oldschool is the way to go

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

07 Dec 2007 at 11:13 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by aapo

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

1. When person plays PvP he doesn't play PvE, can we agree with this?
2. If person couldn't play PvP he would play PvE or not play at all, can we agree with this?
3. When person plays PvE he gets drops and gold, can we agree with this?
4. Now person gets same things when playing PvP and PvE. If we agree with #1, #2 and #3 then economy stays the same.

you lost me at Dur can you please explain again? have you been watching I-Robot?

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

07 Dec 2007 at 11:48 - 21

I suppose this the "Economy is dead" thread of the week. Brought to you by GWG community, once a week, since the launch.

Player based economies change. Static economies don't. One of them is boring - guess which.

Chrysalis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

07 Dec 2007 at 12:20 - 22

Funny how you come whine about economy dropping and are still trying to fix a low price for the keys ...
I just sold 60 keys for 3k each and i got so much demand it feels as i got robbed.

Joe Hostile

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Redmond, WA

Rebel Rising [rawr]

07 Dec 2007 at 12:34 - 23

A few [rawr] guildies got some hot stuff:

1. q9 Eternal Blade
2. q9 Eternal Shield (COMMAND!!)
3. q9 Elemental Sword (so so still)

Now here is the catch...IT TOOK 200+ KEYS TO FINALLY GET SOMETHING GOOD! Seriously, it isn't going to effect much except add some excitement, fun, and more rewards for PvP.

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

07 Dec 2007 at 12:45 - 24

there can't be an economy be destroyed, that already is totally destroyed >.>

Or do you call prices of like 6000 Platin or so for certain very rare pets normal ?
or do you call prices of like 2000 platin for certain perfect weapons normal ?

I don't ..I call that inflation high 3...

I still see for 2 and a half years not the reason ingame, why Armors get customized and are unsellable ...
I see no problem in it, why players shouldn#t sell armors, which they got dropped...

this way players would receive a way to get some money and could sell them at slightly lower prices, then the NPC's ...

Then..more stuff like colors and upgrades need fixed NPC prices, espcially colors need fixed prices, can't be, that colors like black cost over 5P, while other colors cost only 100g

Player based economies are ever crap, because they result sooner or later ever in inflation ... best economy for a MMORPG is a npc economy with only fixed prices...because then the price of buying and selling will stay ever the same, regardless of how much a thing is in current, or not

Chrysalis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

07 Dec 2007 at 12:48 - 25

Problem is i dont see much the purpose in this :
- pure pvp ppl dont care much about making gold or dropping skill tomes, booze or candies
- pure pve ppl get pissed coz they cant farm these keys and will say it gives an unfair advantage to pvpers
- and we still have stacks of useless tournament tokens in our storage
- and where is the logic ? make pve ppl pvp more or vice versa ? I'm confused
Oh I forgot, Anet isnt really about logic aint it...

maybe at some point, having too much tournament tokens will unlock an additionnal char slot just to carry them.

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

07 Dec 2007 at 12:56 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexkapi12

Now that the Zaishen Chest are popular and they drop rare items everyone is going to get or buy keys for the chest and chest runs wont be happening as the chest is easy to get to.I dont like the sound of that Zaishen Chest woluld be destroying the game

Wake up It is always good to get all the facts about something first.

lol

NO reward from opening DOES NOT COUNT FOR treasure hunter.
Very small chance of a Uber rare. Mostly Tomes,golds,sweets,booze.
cost 5k balth or 5 reward points this is very High for anyone who is not UAX (unlocked everything)
Not 1 thing to worrie about with this chest it is ment for the UAX players who have to many tourney tokens and no use for the faction they get.

I for 1 am very happy they put this in it is about time. What to do with the stacks of toruney tokes tho?

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

07 Dec 2007 at 12:59 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghostlyfenix

lol........economy for rare weps always drop and with zaishen chest , its already happening, i cant even sell my q11 styg reaver for 100k+10e and voltaics, crysts, eternals already having sudden drop in price

- Oh I get it now! When you can't sell common stuff for 100K + ectos then there has to be something wrong with economy! Or could it be that instead of farming their butts off of some ectos, players just go get what they want from bosses? Which of these is again healthy state of economy?

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

07 Dec 2007 at 14:39 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghostlyfenix

lol........economy for rare weps always drop and with zaishen chest , its already happening, i cant even sell my q11 styg reaver for 100k+10e and voltaics, crysts, eternals already having sudden drop in price

oldschool is the way to go

Lol maybe if you would get the Real price on that q11 reaver you could sell it.
A q11 is worthless in nearly everyones eyes.
q10 is normaly half to 2/3 the price of q9.

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

07 Dec 2007 at 15:27 - 29

Sure, more rare items will lower the prices of those items. 20/20 mods, +30 mods, -5/20% mods, etc. all cost a large amount of money a while ago. Now, those items are more common, and sell for much less. THIS IS GOOD. People who don't play a lot, and don't have loads of money laying around can afford good equipment. The only things that are not effected by this shift in the economy are crafter weapons and armor. More black dye dropping would mean black dye costs less. More Superior Vigor means it costs less. If you need those things, you are glad they cost less.

Now, if you are selling, and are mad that you can't get 100k+ecto for stuff anymore, consider the other side of it. What are you planning to use that money you make for? Buy a new weapon that has a rare skin? If so, guess what, that price has probably dropped as well, and now you don't need as much money anyway. The change didn't effect you. Want FoW armor? Guess what, ecto/shard prices have dropped, and it isn't as expensive as it once was. Yes, there will still be items that cost a LOT of money. Making that money will not be as easy. However, the common things, which the average player wants, can be obtained without farming for hours a day, weeks on end.

This is good for the average player, and except for a few (very few) items, the change makes no difference to the hard core player.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

07 Dec 2007 at 15:49 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

you lost me at Dur can you please explain again? have you been watching I-Robot?

Basically, if people weren't PvPing to get keys for the Zashian Chest, people would be PvEing and get gold items anyway in the time it took them to get 5k bathazar faction.

Shadow Spirit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago

your cat eats dog food [pup]

N/E

07 Dec 2007 at 15:58 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Sure, more rare items will lower the prices of those items. 20/20 mods, +30 mods, -5/20% mods, etc. all cost a large amount of money a while ago. Now, those items are more common, and sell for much less. THIS IS GOOD. People who don't play a lot, and don't have loads of money laying around can afford good equipment. The only things that are not effected by this shift in the economy are crafter weapons and armor. More black dye dropping would mean black dye costs less. More Superior Vigor means it costs less. If you need those things, you are glad they cost less.

Now, if you are selling, and are mad that you can't get 100k+ecto for stuff anymore, consider the other side of it. What are you planning to use that money you make for? Buy a new weapon that has a rare skin? If so, guess what, that price has probably dropped as well, and now you don't need as much money anyway. The change didn't effect you. Want FoW armor? Guess what, ecto/shard prices have dropped, and it isn't as expensive as it once was. Yes, there will still be items that cost a LOT of money. Making that money will not be as easy. However, the common things, which the average player wants, can be obtained without farming for hours a day, weeks on end.

This is good for the average player, and except for a few (very few) items, the change makes no difference to the hard core player.

Totally agreed. It's good if the average player can afford max mods and such. The rare stuff will still be rare and 1 new chest won't destroy anything. Besides, I never really understood the point of hoarding gold. It's for spending, people!

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

07 Dec 2007 at 18:04 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexkapi12

Now that the Zaishen Chest are popular and they drop rare items everyone is going to get or buy keys for the chest and chest runs wont be happening as the chest is easy to get to.I dont like the sound of that Zaishen Chest woluld be destroying the game

if chest running were the game most players wouldnt bother with it.

i play the game not waste gold on chests which are intended to be a gold sink.

super strokey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Soviet Canuckistan

N/

07 Dec 2007 at 18:32 - 33

The thing the pumps me the most is that brulee will go down in price and that will make easier sweet too for me woot!

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

07 Dec 2007 at 21:20 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Hostile

A few [rawr] guildies got some hot stuff:

1. q9 Eternal Blade
2. q9 Eternal Shield (COMMAND!!)
3. q9 Elemental Sword (so so still)

Now here is the catch...IT TOOK 200+ KEYS TO FINALLY GET SOMETHING GOOD! Seriously, it isn't going to effect much except add some excitement, fun, and more rewards for PvP.

Screenshot of the Eternals please. I'm not very quick to believe all that.

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Guy In Real Life [GIRL]

W/E

07 Dec 2007 at 22:56 - 35

I believe that this price drop will NOT last for very long. Because of the ridiculous amount of keys it takes to get something good, combined with the amount of points/faction everyone had stored up, it is just an initial flux. Soon, after PVE'rs realize that it is not worth it to buy the keys on the 1/10,000 chance that they will get something worthwhile. PVP'rs with full UAX will continue to purchase them, but hey, PVP'rs deserve rewards too right? There is a panic about this supposed HUGE infulx of rares into the economy right now. Consequently it is a buyer's market. Buy now!

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

07 Dec 2007 at 23:03 - 36

The economy wont be affected because to get something good from the zaishen chest, it would take a lot more time and grind to earn the faction for the keys required then it would take to buy a lockpick at the merchant.

aes_sedai

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

[Zen]

Mo/

08 Dec 2007 at 00:06 - 37

i got a q9 eternal blade from zaishen chest last night. On my second key :X
i will post a screenshot of the sword once i get on to gw, dont have it installed on this computer.

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