Paragons... Not worthing using its elite..

Is it just me or Paragons have pretty crappy elites?
Crappiest
"Incoming!"
"The Power Is Yours!"
"It's just a flesh wound."
Cautery Signet
Angelic Bond
Stunning Strike
Anthem of Fury
Cruel Spear
Crippling Anthem
Soldier's Fury
Anthem of Guidance
Song of Purification
Focused Anger
Song of Restoration
Defensive Anthem
Survivable..

Seriously but Paragon's Elite need like major buff.
Incoming is beyond crap, The Power is Yours was crap since it's creation. Never see the light. Flesh Wound is almost the same, Cautery Signet might be useful if its shorter cast/recharge. Otherwise all you see paragon used in:
PVE:
Soldier's Fury
Focused Anger

PVP
Anthem of Guidance
Defensive Anthem

Both
Song of Purification
Song of Restoration

You do have a point, although some of the elites are just worth it for the damage like wearying spear ithink, i use that with my 7 adren skills combo + for great justice.

Quote: Originally Posted by kullwarrior

Nice defensive anthem is in crappiest and pvp :P

Some of the elites the have are quite good when you think about it though, just never seen major use.

Warriors have Dragon Slash, Eviscerate, Backbreaker, Earthshaker, Devestating Hammer.
Monks have... Word of Healing, Restore Condition, to a lesser extent Healer's Boon and Shield of Deflection.
Elementalist have Mind Blast, Blinding Surge, Savannah Heat, maybe Icy Shackles.
Necromancers have Spiteful Spirit and Corrupt Enchantment. I think minion masters use Order of Undeath.
Mesmers have Expel Hexes (though generally seen on a /me), Hex Eater Vortex, Energy Surge, and the odd Signet of Illusions guy.
Ritualist have Offering of Spirit and Weapon of Remedy.
Assassins have Moebius Strike.
Dervish have Avatar of Melandru, Arcane Zeal, Lyssa is okay, I think Ebon Dust Aura has some builds as well.
And finally Rangers have Barrage, Broad Head Arrow, Burning Arrow, Lacerate in some condition builds, and Crippling Shot.

I didn't list some because they generally appear in degenerate builds so they really aren't worth listing. Whereas the paragon... it would be easier to list the elites that don't see play. I'm not sure why some of those elites were listed as not seeing play, especially Cruel Spear. Ranged Eviscerates are bad? I'm not sure what the point of this thread is unless there is some sarcasm in the title.

you forgot [skill]spoil victor[/skill] for necros.

Quote: Originally Posted by Racthoh Warriors have Dragon Slash, Eviscerate, Backbreaker, Earthshaker, Devestating Hammer. For shame Racthoh! You forgot about Crippling Slash, and you're a sword user (if you ever play your warrior that is)

Quote: Monks have... Word of Healing, Restore Condition, to a lesser extent Healer's Boon and Shield of Deflection. I think Shield of Regen and Deflection are still good

The issue is that the Fire Elemental line has more good elites than Assassins and Ritualists.

Quote: Originally Posted by wetsparks you forgot [skill]spoil victor[/skill] for necros. I'd have to include Spellbreaker, Obsidian Flesh, etc.. if I were to include Spoil Victor. I can't think of a necro bar outside of a solo build or Shiro in Cantha that would use Spoil Victor over an SS guy.

Quote: Originally Posted by blue.rellik For shame Racthoh! You forgot about Crippling Slash, and you're a sword user (if you ever play your warrior that is) Oops, forgot about Crippling Slash. My bad, I do play paragon too much; not my fault they're the best PvE profession.

Quote: Originally Posted by blue.rellik I think Shield of Regen and Deflection are still good The primary use of Regen I saw was on runners, rarely ever in PvE. Given that LoD was removed from all forms of PvP you'll typically see the runner carrying a party heal in the form of Protective was Kaolai or a Heal Party. No place for SoR anymore.

Deflection I agree is still decent enough, I know I've seen a few PvErs at the very least using it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Racthoh Oops, forgot about Crippling Slash. My bad, I do play paragon too much; not my fault they're the best PvE profession. Yeah I know

Quote: Sandstorm I didn't realize still saw play, as the few HA matches I generally watch are filled with Searing Flames. SF, as I mentioned, I didn't list because in my eyes it is a degenerate build; 5-6 SFers and two monks doesn't look healthy to me. I was talking overall, Sandstorm was good and still decent in PvE (that's why I almost always bring Herta.

When I first picked up Cautery Signet I used it with Remedy Signet, obviously. However I took that a step further as I was P/Me and used Mantra of Inscriptions(??), which reduces Signet's recharge time by 40% or so. Thus I went Motivation, Leadership, some Inspiration, and had Spear at 9.

I went and used Signet of Synergy. Pretty much I was a wussy monk (PvE which anything works) but there were hardly conditions around and I backed up the monks to make their life easier.

There's a use for those elites, you just have to get out of the mind set or quit assuming the same role. Switch it up some times. Yeah yeah, if you kill them quicker than they kill you it's all win win...... being all support isn't so bad if you're up for it.

Paragon elites are pretty good, each of them have their use. Song of Restoration ftw same with "It's just a Flesh Wound" : no casting time, 1s recharge, 5e, and you get deep wound, which again, Remedy Signet. Monks would die to do that.

Also, Cautery Signet + Plague Sending = massive fire duration for your foes. Each condition you remove from all party members (Your self included) you are on fire for 1 second. It can add up if everyone in the party is on fire.

The only elite IMO that is really crap is Incoming (they should remove it cause rly no way to save it).

Than personally I find shunning strike to cost to much adraline (can be just me).

All the rest of the elite are ok they just won't see use due to normal pug set up and cause of them to be too much conditional (for instance :as said above: cautery signet, if more hostiles would use conditions it would see way more use).

(for instance all the elite anthems could own in a fully physical team set up but seeing all we really see in pugs is: nukers + monks + tank+ whatevah they still need to fill in a spot (with other words: cannon/mob fodder) ).

Personally I think there are but 10 totally wortless/crappy elite skills in the entire game. Most elites just don't see use due the mentality of pugs or cause none came up with a HA/gvg team use for it(yet).

I wouldn't say we paragons got crappy elites,... just pretty conditional or out-of-the-box ones.

Just my opinion.

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Soldier's Fury is actually rather good in the builds I often use, especially on heroes. Builds adrenaline like no tomorrow and does lots of damage in the process.

you find cruel spear, song of restoration and defensive anthem crappy?

I must dissagree with you on those...

Lets say they are ok skills.

you know what skill should be buffed? Enduring Harmony. instead of target ally...all allies. mmmmmm TNTF and SY. *drools*

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