anybody else abandoned what people called "co-op"

Gate of Madness.

Whenever I go in there I get insta-invited by groups of 4-5 Dervishes who are "lf 2 monks".

Aye - two internet alpha males clashing. Would sooner or later turn into a bitch fight !

AT least youve made it that far, my assassin is still sitting in gate of pain because I'm not competent nor do I have the will power to complete it, been there for about 5 months, Had nf since it came out. Quite sad QQ


But back on topic, I pug occaisonally, but not in high end or high risk missions unless I know the people I'm with.

Pugging can be great fun or a disaster, depending on what type of people you get.

I gave up on random groups...let's see....about 2 years ago...right after I started playing, around the time I made it to Lion's Arch. After that everything was henchies. When Nightfall came out, it was a huge blessing for me.

subject: YAWN

but anyway, the death of PUGs for me happened AGES ago, in Tunderhead Keep. I used to PUG everything. But, the Noob filter mission, killed it for me. I spent a week there doing nothing but trying to PUG it.. After playing it so many times and mentally noting what went wrong each time, I henched it and finished, no sweat.

I henched Factions, all of it.. After Nightfall and Heroes.. Bye Bye PUGs, for good.. Since Heroes I haven't even been in FoW.. That place was one of my fav things to do in the game too.. but, I'm gonna build up another account just so I can "borrow" heroes from the other account and do FoW again..

I went for a long while without PUGs and learned to do almost everything with H/H and/or a couple guildies. After awhile that got kind of monotonous, so nowadays if I'm at a mission that I know would be too easy on H/H (which is most of them) I'll sit around and see if anyone shoots me an invite.

I never group with anyone anymore. Maybe once per month. So much for this being an MMO I guess....

PUGs suck 75% of the time so decently talented people don't use them. Only less-skilled people Pug it, and since they no longer have contact with better players, Pug quality has further declined.

It's a really sad thing to happen to an MMO. PvE is mostly a 1-player game now. And since there are WAY better 1-player RPGs out there, it's hard for a lot of folks to justify playing GW. If you're going to solo it, why not play Oblivion and have a real RPG experience?

It really depends on situations for me. If I'm playing at work, during lunch break, I want things done quick and right, so I heroe/hench, or play random arenas.
On the week ends, I play support characters in PuG for the fun of it.

People suck at this game, always use heroes.

Most of the time I H/H my way through things or play with guildies (we know each others' playing styles very well so we make a really good team). Although once in a while I will PUG a mission or two; either because a less experienced player has asked for some help or because I want to check out a different angle on things (you'd be surprised at how much a PUG can teach you about effective and ineffective builds).

The last PUG I was in was just over a month ago when a newbie asked for help with the Nolani Academy bonus. That newbie is now a guildie and great fun to play with - just goes to show that the PUG is a good way to make friends too.

I agree.
The only time I will ever PUG is if I know I am fully capable of completing a mission or quest easily with the person there.

I can't stand most PUG's tbh. When people make sense I'm more then happy to play with them,
but when they're stubborn it annoys me greatly from minute 1.

Like when I'm making teams for Tomb of Primeval Kings. I got this build I always run with
and SS necro, a para, rangers and 2 monks. It's my H/H farming build that works like a charm.
When I try and get people to play it 75% of them will whine and bicker 30 minutes before the
game starts. I had 2 of those whiners in my team yesterday. They told me the build sucked and
I should switch to regular B/P. I was getting bored after 30 minutes of whining and there were too little people
around to kick the 2 bad asses, so I indeed just switched to regular B/P. When we got in 1 of them pulled the entire floor of mobs and we died instantly.

result: 30 minutes of my life wasted on behalf of people who think they know it all, but are horrendously bad at the game.

Offtopic: lf solid PvX guild!


Tortureweb dryder + [wiki]beguiling haze[/wiki] makes the mission a bit easier.

GW is a single player game with a really good co-op mode

I never PuG anymore. I go with H/H or a combination of Heroes and guildies.

Lots of threads on this...

I use Hero/Hench 90-95% of the time... it's not people's builds it's...

#1) their attitudes. No sense of fun/humor...
#2) they want a limited list of builds. You even see it in this thread.

I know sometimes you need specific skills, and you usually need a balance of casters and fighters... (and of course 2 "monks")... but I've seen a lot of variety within this be successful. E.g., we got through Forgewight no problem with an ele & hero as healers. It was a guild group, and that would have never flown as a pug (pick up group).

I mean 2 hours into the Deep, and we get pwned at one spot. Having done the deep before, you should expect to get some pwnage in there... but no, folks untangle and then the monk refuses to rez. What a waste of time. Why go through that if you don't have to.

It's sort of like driving these days... lots of jerks out there (tailgaters, speeders, aggressive drivers, and good grief who uses a turn signal anymore)

I used to H/H. Then Koss kicked me from the group because i echo flare. Now im back to PUGs

Its very hard to find people that use the exact same play style as myself. Sometimes I like to take it slow and not simply rush through and obliterate the missions/quests. I do sometimes join PUGs when I think they really need a hand and I've nothing better to do. If they let me help them, ie listen to my advise, then we have a good time and win. If they think they know it all and ignore what I sugest we usually party wipe and I map out.


Its certainly a huge shift from when I started in Prophicies where I filled my guild with people from PUG's. But back then we were all on equal footing, same point in the game and the learning curve of skills/builds. Now its impossible to find 8 people that are all equal, some are runing there very first char through the mission while others are working on there 10 or chasing a title or looking for chests or elite skill caps or farming a rare drop or just killing time till friends log and they can do something else.

fully agree

GW is not an MMO, its a CORPG.

Because I prefer GW to Oblivion?

Besides GW is advertised as a game you can play solo, I purchased it for that reason. I like the features GW has. I dont enjoy Oblivion.

If game was full of people who play as rc prots, dslash wars an minblast eles, i would consider pugging. if those people didnt have attitudes, i would definitelly pug.

but game is full of "pure healing" breeze monks, tanks and echo meteor shower nukers, all with price winning "friendly" attitude.