Are Zaishen Keys Worth it

D A R T Teh L E E T

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2007

Forever Living P Gs [faR] Rating:1200+

Do you think that zaishen keys are worth buying, when you can waste a lot of balthzar faction or money on a waste of items coming from the chest. Many people have used 20 or more keys and came up with half way decent items. Should a-net increase the chance of better items coming from the chest, somewhat like hoh drops, would it also boost the economy of guild wars?

o m g pizowned

Site Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2006

boost? no, nothing but make it worse. if anything they should make rare drops actually rare

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

Why should they?
Its not like a chest that has sucked since the beginning.
It was just created, it's purpose is for Balthazar faction >.>

dies like fish

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Winter Wonderland [brrr]

W/E

My best drop so far is a req. 9 Air Staff. I think I've opened it approximately 100 times.

I Phoenix I

I Phoenix I

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC]

R/

Better drops = messed up economy

It's fine as it is.

LuckyGiant

LuckyGiant

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

New Zealand

Retired :)

yess they are worth it, please keep buying my keys for 5k. rofl.

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

you want to make it like a HoH chest.....that would mess up the econemy, alot easier to get 5k balth then to get to halls..

its perfect the way it is, rare drops should stay rare.

Gregslot

Gregslot

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Me/

My friend got a Platinum Staff req9 e-storage and a req9 Salient Daggers.
Yes they are worth it.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

They are worth it to the same extent that any other chest is worth it. Which is, not at all worth it. But for some bizarre reason many people use lockpicks etc. anyhow even though they are not worth it. So I don't see why Zaishen chests not being worth it would change that trend.

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

Lockpicks = money sink, balthazar = free, yes they are worth it.

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyGiant
yess they are worth it, please keep buying my keys for 5k. rofl.
QFT!

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Legendary Shiz

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

lol the OP is so bad at guild wars srsly

Shakkara

Shakkara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

W/

Of course they aren't worth 5k, not with all those consumables in there.

Phaern Majes

Phaern Majes

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Anywhere but up

The Panserbjorne [ROAR]

R/Mo

The creme brulee and flask of firewater I got from my two tries at the chest say no. The 3-5k I can make per key says yes.

Um Yeah

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Illusions of Grandeur [Illu]

W/

Zaishen keys are definitely worth buying at 4-5k per.

Nukasaurus Rex

Nukasaurus Rex

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

Textual Harassment [kTHX]

E/

No. Spent over 200k on keys. Best item = r9 mursaat hornbow. All the rest was nice merchant food.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

I'm at UAX. The only PvP I enjoy is AB, meaning the tournament tokens are useless to me. So I don't have anything else to spend my Balth on.

It only takes about 30 seconds to grab a key and open the chest.

So its worth it for me.

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

afaik, Zaizhen keys are FREE!, I just play PvP as normal, and sometimes go and get some free drops.

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

They are like lottery tickets.

Skye Marin

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

Lottery tickets that the playerbase is selling.

Share the wealth!

blakecraw

blakecraw

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Austin, TX

Not worth it imo, even at uax, since there's basically a 5k opportunity cost every time you open it. From the reward points I had I opened it 40 times (200k I could have had from selling keys), got one shield worth about 15k. Chances are I will keep opening the damn thing, but no I don't think it's a good idea. Not unless the price drops a lot per key that is.

D A R T Teh L E E T

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2007

Forever Living P Gs [faR] Rating:1200+

Quote:
Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
They are like lottery tickets.
Yes they are kinda like lotto tickets, but are people wasting money/balthzar on wasted, low priced items? A-net should maybe increase the chance of rarer items, maybe then prices will go up on zaishen keys? Too many people are wasting soo much on hoping to get something great, and price will eventually drop on zaishen keys because people have spent too much money in return of nothing. This sure isnt the mega million lol.

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

weird, tons of Cremes in there and no one selling them xD

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

Worth it if:

You've unlocked everything and play pvp and get lots of free keys

Not Worth It:

If you buy them

Skye Marin

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

Well, if they improved the frequency of ultra-rare drops, then it wouldn't be such a clear cut decision for me to sell all my keys for 4k a pop.

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

Quote:
Originally Posted by D A R T Teh L E E T
Yes they are kinda like lotto tickets, but are people wasting money/balthzar on wasted, low priced items? A-net should maybe increase the chance of rarer items?
wouldn't change anything, the cost of keys would just got up and 5,000 faction would become 10,000 gold lol, i think the concept in general fails imo

Sun Fired Blank

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2007

Right now, I think that most sample sets are suspect because no one is accurately tracking their Zaishen drops. Once anyone presents a compelling sample set, and for me, that would be in the realm of a thousand used keys without any excluded chest openings, then you could make a stronger judgment of an appropriate market value for the Zaishen key. If it helps, I'm trying to develop this data right now, but I don't earn many reward points from ATs or Xunlai, and I do a lot of screwing around in PvP, so I'm only earning anywhere from 3 to 10 keys a day off balt faction. I'll post again for every sample of 50 keys that I have.

Nemo the Capitalist

Nemo the Capitalist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Trust me you dont want to know my Chasms of Despair

Zaishen Brotherhood

N/Me

buy keys for 5 k ill take lootpicks for 1.2k

GG

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Increasing the chances for rare drops would have opposite effect - stop rares from being rare and further crapify their value. The key prices would stay unchanged.

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by D A R T Teh L E E T
Yes they are kinda like lotto tickets, but are people wasting money/balthzar on wasted, low priced items? A-net should maybe increase the chance of rarer items, maybe then prices will go up on zaishen keys? Too many people are wasting soo much on hoping to get something great, and price will eventually drop on zaishen keys because people have spent too much money in return of nothing. This sure isnt the mega million lol.
- It would only devaluate those "rare" items as the supply of zaishen keys stays constant. And a reasonable price for key is around 500 gold, given that majority of drops are just sugar and ale.

holababe

holababe

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

Goon Squad [LLJK]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemo the Capitalist
buy keys for 5 k ill take lootpicks for 1.2k

GG
Lockpicks don't work on the Zaishen Chest

Bibblenorn

Bibblenorn

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Miendrak'el Myrth [MeM]

I'd say it is worth it if you understand it is a gamble. If you are buying keys from players, hoping for the chance to get that uber rare item and sell for gobs of cash, probably you will be disappointed. If you are spending faction you have gained, or if you are like me and ab is the extent of your pvp, well, it might be worth it.

I like the Xunlai tournament house. However I don't pvp, so the points go into keys. I AB, mostly to get alliance faction. The Balthazar faction is incidental. So then it becomes if I want to waste time trying to sell the key, or if I want to open a chest.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

They are like lotto tickets. And to quote a friend of mine in real life:

"The lottery is a state tax on the stupid."

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

They're current price is wrong.
Zaishen Keys are not worth 5k

They are worth 8k!

MoldyRiceFrenzy

MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

zaishen chests are good the way they are...

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Are they worth 5k? Heck no. The Creme Brulee rate is waaay to high to make them worth even 1k.

Are they worth 5k faction? Absolutely. I have no better use at all for my faction.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

Since when are chests every worth it?

Negligate

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2007

Why Do You Ask?

Mo/W

you know why people gamble?same thing here
people pay a dollar a day just to get a chance 1 out of 300000 billion to win a million dollars, they know the odds but they still buy right?
its just human nature to bet against the house and win unbelievable amount of cash.

Steboy93

Steboy93

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Feb 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] | Ex-Officer [TAM]

W/

It's a lottory, imo it's not worth it but some people are lucky and get rares, but the rest get creme brulees.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Well in real life a lottery ticket is a $1... these are like $50 lottery tickets for the same bad odds. So worth it, no, it can't be quantified... you'll probably simply lose money, but some people will make out like bandits.