It's been three years and they still haven't balanced the snowball fights. I'll set aside the fact that class skills in there aren't balanced since you can choose your class. But you can't choose what side your on, and avalanche is grossly overpowered when compared with yellow snow.
Let's break it down even though I can't imagine anyone that's ever played snowball fights will disagree with this.
Avalanche:
- AoE cripple in a game all about running
- 1 second cast time
- skill not glyph, this is very important because this means it doesn't overwrite the all-important hidden rock
Yellow Snow:
- disease is easily spread back to your own team, and running is usually much more important than fighting
- 2 second cast time, faster recharge but it's a...
- glyph, because this ability overwrites hidden rock it's basically never worth using
So someone on Dwayna can spend 1 second to AoE cripple their target, and then someone on Grenth can spend 2 seconds to remove it and lose their hidden rock. Will this major imbalance in the snowball fights ever be fixed?
Suggestions I can think of to buff yellow snow include: making Grenth's team immune to disease, decreasing cast time, and most importantly having it not overwrite hidden rock. Avalanche could easily be nerfed too, but I know most people prefer seeing buffs to nerfs. I personally don't care so long as something is done. Thanks for reading and I hope to see this finally addressed.
It's time for ANet to balance the snowball fights
Be Vigilant
Robster Lobster
Changing Avalanche to only cripple moving targets would be a good start I think.
quickmonty
Sorry, but this is a once-a-year FUN event. Makes me barf when people get all serious about it. JMO
Be Vigilant
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Sorry, but this is a once-a-year FUN event. Makes me barf when people get all serious about it. JMO
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You can't see me
The problem with things that require you to collaberate is the fact that you cannot balence intelligence ratios of morons.
Skyy High
1 second cast time on Yellow Snow. You can consistently and easily neuter Avalanche (and hidden rock daze), but you lose your hidden rock glyph whenever you do.
Jetdoc
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It's been three years and they still haven't balanced the snowball fights. avalanche is grossly overpowered
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Okay - which of you posters put this guy up to this?
Death By Ketchup
Grenths side more than makes up for it since Grenth is badass.
-Loki-
It's a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing holiday arena. Just play it for a laugh.
sickle of carnage
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It's a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing holiday arena. Just play it for a laugh.
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Edge Martinez
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It's been three years and they still haven't balanced the snowball fights.
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murtagh deadmoon
Can i just point out the fact that Guild Wars is a game and yet all of you QQ over your little farming nerfs because you enjoy earning money, well we enjoy the snowball tourney, and it just so happens it's imba, Now i suppor this in the fact that this goes towards a title, but i don't want avalanche nerfed because it isn't broken, just fix up yellow snow a bit and i'll be happy, at the moment the crips are irritating and a mediocre team can beat a good one if they're dwayna
Henchman
Its just a silly arena meant to have fun.. but I still agree with the OP. Dwayna's team wins the vast majority of the times, and its just a simple balance between 2 skills.
rohara
what? yellow snow negates the avalanche and is the only condition removal available in snowball arena. not a bad deal if you ask me.
Chris Blackstar
it's truely sad when players start to say snowball fights are overpowered. It makes me wonder if they even know what they are talking about, I have an idea, lets get rid of skills all together and just use weapons, then nothing will be overpowered. Please people, some of you need to get a life, and learn to live with the reality that having varous skills makes the game challenging.
If you can not handle snowball fights, then I hate to say it, but YOU SUCK!!!
If you can not handle snowball fights, then I hate to say it, but YOU SUCK!!!
Culvin
Dwayna's Avalanche is superior to Grenth's Yellow Snow. If two teams are even close to evenly matched, Dwayna will win. It would be nice to see a simple balance to one or both of the skills.
I don't understand why so many people that don't play the snowball fights feel the need to post flames in this topic...
I don't understand why so many people that don't play the snowball fights feel the need to post flames in this topic...
Sol Deathgard
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It would be a lot more fun if it were relatively balanced. Like I said, I'm ignoring all of the class imbalances and just pointing out the one major imbalance that players have no control over. It would be an easy fix.
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aapo
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It's a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing holiday arena. Just play it for a laugh.
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Solas
serioulsy...it doesnt matter what side your on, teamwork is the key factor.
you may jsut aswell say that grenth is imba with is yellow snow, condition removal, in a game of snowballing your pretty screwed with daze.
these are balanced..and its for fun..
you may jsut aswell say that grenth is imba with is yellow snow, condition removal, in a game of snowballing your pretty screwed with daze.
these are balanced..and its for fun..
Skyy High
You know....you can both think that the game is really fun, AND want to make it better. Really and truly. I swear.
Darkobra
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It's a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing holiday arena. Just play it for a laugh.
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Darkobra
Ok, I was fighting an evenly matched team. We were Grenth. We won 5-3. Yellow snow and Avalanche? Use them properly.
Phoenix Tears
they shoukld imo change the whole concept of the Snowball Fights...
take out the shit concept about running for presents and make out of the Snowball Fights something..what it is used to be....
Give the Snowball Fight a Timer of say 5 or 10 Minutes which counts down ...and the side which has at the end of the time the most "kills" wins ...
then need people just only to concentrate on killing people.... then to run for such stupid presents..which slow you much too much down..as if they would weight a ton
Presents could have then other functions ...which could give then to players for short durations for example buffs or heals..when you touch them... or it are trap fakes ...
but take out this stupid concept about running for presents... this has nothing to do anymore with a Snowball Battle
take out the shit concept about running for presents and make out of the Snowball Fights something..what it is used to be....
Give the Snowball Fight a Timer of say 5 or 10 Minutes which counts down ...and the side which has at the end of the time the most "kills" wins ...
then need people just only to concentrate on killing people.... then to run for such stupid presents..which slow you much too much down..as if they would weight a ton
Presents could have then other functions ...which could give then to players for short durations for example buffs or heals..when you touch them... or it are trap fakes ...
but take out this stupid concept about running for presents... this has nothing to do anymore with a Snowball Battle
FeroxC
Lol the fight for the presents is the best and most important part.
Great fun continiously getting knocked down and picking up the present again as you slowly climb up the hill, whilst your teammates are trying to fend them off
It is true that teamwork is the most important factor but avalanch>yellow snow by a longshot ,even though my 18 win streak was destroyed by a Grenth team :P
Great fun continiously getting knocked down and picking up the present again as you slowly climb up the hill, whilst your teammates are trying to fend them off
It is true that teamwork is the most important factor but avalanch>yellow snow by a longshot ,even though my 18 win streak was destroyed by a Grenth team :P
Phoenix Tears
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Lol the fight for the presents is the best and most important part.
Great fun continiously getting knocked down and picking up the present again as you slowly climb up the hill, whilst your teammates are trying to fend them off It is true that teamwork is the most important factor but avalanch>yellow snow by a longshot ,even though my 18 win streak was destroyed by a Grenth team :P |
When you think this..then does PvP in GW require no teamwork at all >.> then pvp would be nothing more..then having luck..or not
ensoriki
Fair enough, every year we have had this complaint however.
I think reducing Grenth's to one second will do just fine.
That or perhaps changing it to a skill so that it stacks with hidden rock.
Either one seems fine to me.
I am deeply sorry you feel this way, however the concept of snowball fights is fun already, and many people enjoy it. This thread was about balance in snowball fights I believe between Dwayna and Grenth, not the concept of presents. Even if you changed snowball fights to assimilation rounds, Dwayna's avalanche still allows you to kite.
You mean you want it to be random arena's with set skills, this has been done before as Costume Battles.
If this is what you want request for Costume battles instead of asking for our holiday event to be changed. The presents are essentially capture the flag/relic, a form of pvp many people are familiar with, there is nothing wrong with it.
I think reducing Grenth's to one second will do just fine.
That or perhaps changing it to a skill so that it stacks with hidden rock.
Either one seems fine to me.
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If this is what you want request for Costume battles instead of asking for our holiday event to be changed. The presents are essentially capture the flag/relic, a form of pvp many people are familiar with, there is nothing wrong with it.
quickmonty
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Can i just point out the fact that Guild Wars is a game and yet all of you QQ over your little farming nerfs ...........
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Only the immature QQ about things not being the way they want them. You did get one thing right .... it is a game.
ANET, please leave snowball fights the way they are. No nerfs needed.
ensoriki
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All of you? Suggest you read those threads because not "all of us" QQ
Only the immature QQ about things not being the way they want them. You did get one thing right .... it is a game. ANET, please leave snowball fights the way they are. No nerfs needed. |
I think just changing Yellow snow to one second is what they wanted.
.....although the OP is not talking about this.
Playing my assassin in Snowball arena's is a pain...there are better class skills for other professions sadly.
Commander Ryker
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Sorry, but this is a once-a-year FUN event. Makes me barf when people get all serious about it. JMO
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It would be a lot more fun if it were relatively balanced. Like I said, I'm ignoring all of the class imbalances and just pointing out the one major imbalance that players have no control over. It would be an easy fix.
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Mitchel
Omg, nothing wrong with giving Yellow Snow a 1 sec activation right? Nerf Prot Spirit m0ar, less QQ plz.
yesitsrob
Dwayna has the avalanche advantage, because it is better than yellow snow but who cares
but tbh the really decent skill is the Warrior one. Speed buff is kind of awesome.
but tbh the really decent skill is the Warrior one. Speed buff is kind of awesome.
street peddler
most noobs in there never use avalanche anyway.
Angelic Upstart
It's been three years and they still haven't balanced the snowball fights. I'll set aside the fact that class skills in there aren't balanced since you can choose your class. But you can't choose what side your on, and avalanche is grossly overpowered when compared with yellow snow.
This thread is hilarious, the op must be having a laugh...surely
If not, and by chance there is someone sad enough to piss and moan about balance issues in a once yearly event, then mate you need to get out more... seriously, but thanks for the laugh...
This thread is hilarious, the op must be having a laugh...surely
If not, and by chance there is someone sad enough to piss and moan about balance issues in a once yearly event, then mate you need to get out more... seriously, but thanks for the laugh...
Nevin
Yellow Snowball should do disease and poison, for a combination of -8 degen.
CyberNigma
I think the solution is for the Guru admins to give the word BALANCE the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO treatment. That word is way, way, way overused by people with too much time on their hands and a desire to screw with other people. :-)
EDIT: or at least make it so in every forum except the strictly pvp-only forums. otherwise RED ENGINE it in the mixed and pve-only forums...
EDIT: or at least make it so in every forum except the strictly pvp-only forums. otherwise RED ENGINE it in the mixed and pve-only forums...
Vargs
I fail to understand why some people are so opposed to having yellow snow fixed, simply because it's "just a game". Fixing it doesn't harm anyone, and makes some people happy, why not do it? You just want to act like a dick over the internet? Everything in Guild Wars is "just a game" anyways, let's not balance anything! Give warriors 10x their current hp and let them apply daze, blind, poison, burning, and cripple, backfire, and faintheartedness every time they hit (or miss). Who cares? It's only a game.
I definitely support balancing snowball arena.
I definitely support balancing snowball arena.
wetsparks
Funny thing is, I usually have better teams when I am on Grenth's side.
CyberNigma
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let's not balance anything!
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Give warriors 10x their current hp and let them apply daze, blind, poison, burning, and cripple, backfire, and faintheartedness every time they hit (or miss). Who cares? It's only a game.
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The reaction shown here is more along the lines of people being tired of all the balance QQ'ing that keeps popping up because theres nothing else for people to do I suppose. Many would prefer a really stable game over a perfectly balanced game, although truthfully you can get both in Chess.
Vargs
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I agree with you there..
The reaction shown here is more along the lines of people being tired of all the balance QQ'ing that keeps popping up |
Person clicks on game balance thread ANYWAYS (???).
Person whines about game balance whine thread.
It all makes perfect sense.
CyberNigma
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all they consist of is whining.
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It all makes perfect sense.
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