Please stay on-topic guys.
The solution(s) In Deadslap's IMO:
1. PERMANENTLY ENABLE CHAT FILTER AND REMOVE REPORT FOR LANGUAGE BUTTON.
OR
2. DROP THE REPORT FOR LANGUAGE BUTTON IN NON-FILTERED CHAT. (YOU MADE YOUR DECISION TO SEE SWEAR WORDS.)
Swear Filter (in game)
Deadslap
Redfeather1975
Inappropriate language is not just swearing.
I don't see the current system being changed because some people are being suspended for inappropriate language.
This topic is really silly when I think about it. If anyone wants to play a game where they can swear till their hearts content, then play another game where the rules say you can.
I don't see the current system being changed because some people are being suspended for inappropriate language.
This topic is really silly when I think about it. If anyone wants to play a game where they can swear till their hearts content, then play another game where the rules say you can.
Zeek Aran
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
LMAO
Gaile got filtered for saying TY Mr.Dickens tonight during her chat lol |
Redfeather1975
At least she didn't try and promote the product hot dickens cider.
I'm getting banned for that.
I'm getting banned for that.
foo
QQ moar.
if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Zeek Aran
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Originally Posted by foo
QQ moar.
if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. |
Julia-Louis Dreyfus
yes always have to have the "cool guys" saying "QQ" or "epic fail". to bad they don't know how stupid they sound themselves.
on topic, i swear all the time in gw. i don't spam it to people in whispers or in local chat, but i have never had a problem. seems to me like you were harassing or spamming. but if it was racial they give you a separate message for that. besides, im more than positive "normal" swearing wont get you banned, im sure there is a reason behind you ban.
on topic, i swear all the time in gw. i don't spam it to people in whispers or in local chat, but i have never had a problem. seems to me like you were harassing or spamming. but if it was racial they give you a separate message for that. besides, im more than positive "normal" swearing wont get you banned, im sure there is a reason behind you ban.
dont feel no pain
Tourette's?
dont swear, you cant fail there
dont swear, you cant fail there
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by You can't see me
Sorry, not that easy.
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Civilised society FTL(For The Laugh)? Learn proper English FTL (For The Lazy)?
Stop QQing, start speaking properly.
Yanman.be
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Originally Posted by You can't see me
Because Five year olds don't know all the words by that age anyway.
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ESRB: T
PEGI: 12+
OFLC: M
Yeah right 5 year olds. If their parents allowed them to play, they should be allowed to be exposed to verbal abuse as well.
Zeek Aran
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
Civilised society FTL(For The Laugh)? Learn proper English FTL (For The Lazy)?
Stop QQing, start speaking properly. |
To what the hideous poster above me said, T = teen = PG-13, no? An example of movie ratings, if they say eff more than once, it's R, only once, it's PG-13. That's just an example of what I believe should be allowed, although a bad one. Swearing = okay, explicit racism or sexual...ness... shouldn't be tolerated.
If it's on 4chan, it probably shouldn't be described about your mother in GW.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
That's the lamest excuse I've ever read and it keeps coming again and again in these "let us swear freely" threads. The obvious answer to the OP's proposal is: NO, you can't remove the banning category because people try to bypass the language filter. End of discussion. When people will behave responsibly, all this will disappear naturally. For the moment, it's here for a good reason, even though you do not seem to understand it.
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Person with filer ON sees something offensive that bypasses it -> reports -> okay. This kind of person should have report button avaiable.
Person turns OFF filter -> gets offended -> reports -> definitelly not okay. This kind of person should have report button for chat disabled because he agreed to see offensive material in first place.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
This kind of person should have report button for chat disabled because he agreed to see offensive material in first place.
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This is (almost) ridiculous. Trying to blame game features (which are inherently limited, one can always discuss issues of consistency but then what's the point of discussing a situation that may not actually apply in the game?) without ever pointing at the root of the problem. The swearing and offensive material in the first place.
The idea that no gentleman ever swears is all wrong. He can swear and still be a gentleman if he does it in a nice and benevolent and affectionate way. - Mark Twain
Traveller
In my mind, inappropriate language is usually more than the odd f*ck. We don't know what was the incident that got OP or others in similar situation banned. The /report option is "verbal abuse". It doesn't really give the impression they would ban on bit of swearing alone. I have used it a few times to report a player who just lashes out to someone excessively or uses racist slurs.
I personally wouldn't use it for a few curse words (mainly because I think e-Rage is funny) but sometimes they do cross the line, chat filters or not, and they should be reported.
I personally wouldn't use it for a few curse words (mainly because I think e-Rage is funny) but sometimes they do cross the line, chat filters or not, and they should be reported.
Roshi_ikkyu
See your problem is that you live with the idea that your free to express your language.
YOUR WRONG!
Your only freedom in the freedom Anet allows you to express.
ha haahahahahaha
YOUR WRONG!
Your only freedom in the freedom Anet allows you to express.
ha haahahahahaha
jrk247
Swearing is pretty tasteless but everyone does it, don't think you should be banned for it because this game is rated T and even has a swear filter. If you honestly don't want to see swear words GET THE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO OFF THE INTERNET, tbh.
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Roshi_ikkyu
See your problem is that you live with the idea that your free to express your language.
YOUR WRONG! Your only freedom in the freedom Anet allows you to express. ha haahahahahaha |
Sha Noran
I have never heard of anyone ever getting banned for a traditional four letter swear word.... the only language bans I've ever known of are usually related to racism or some other form of degrading personal attack that certainly should not be allowed in any setting, let alone an online game. If you're so ignorant as to think you drop the N-bomb in all chat and not offend people, you deserve the ban.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by jrk247
Swearing is pretty tasteless but everyone does it
... If you honestly don't want to see swear words GET THE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO OFF THE INTERNET, tbh. |
What does swearing and being offensive brings to the discussion or game? I know that in the USA the f-word is very common (it's also the case in Ireland for example), but it's not because a "people" (not sure it's the case of the general population) accepted it that it becomes a rule.
I don't understand why anyone would say that they cannot avoid using swear words, unless they've never been taught proper English?
Redfeather1975
I think it's habit Fril. I had a roommate who swore every second word. Everywhere. And had to be told to shut up all the time.
I know he wasn't stupid, because he would get embarassed when he realized what he'd done.
My current roommate only swears when he's drunk. If he's sober and swears it's a shock to everyone. It's strange.
As for me, when anyone has heard me swear, they always say how incredibly weird it was to hear me swear, as I just don't do it.
I know he wasn't stupid, because he would get embarassed when he realized what he'd done.
My current roommate only swears when he's drunk. If he's sober and swears it's a shock to everyone. It's strange.
As for me, when anyone has heard me swear, they always say how incredibly weird it was to hear me swear, as I just don't do it.
garethporlest18
I dropped the N bomb in all chat in a non offensive manner. The only reason I got banned for it because I was yelling at some people in Grotto before hand and they probably got upset at me haha. Oh well. I was using it in the context of talking about that word being offensive and how I think people really need to get over it.
Oh the glee anet would have if they went back to some of my talks in Grotto, rated AO for Adults Only I tell ya. Good times though, good times indeed.
Now n days I don't really want to be banned so I try to keep it down and if I have to rage I shout obscenities at the PC screen towards the people on the game, think about doing bad things to them etc etc.. sometimes rage at people in whispers (Friends mind you)...but I've all out abandoned swearing in local chat because of trigger happy reporters. But I still feel good knowing I'm swearing at them and they can't ban me irl because they don't know I'm doing it.
Also sometimes I just like swearing, the F word is my magical key to happy times.
Oh the glee anet would have if they went back to some of my talks in Grotto, rated AO for Adults Only I tell ya. Good times though, good times indeed.
Now n days I don't really want to be banned so I try to keep it down and if I have to rage I shout obscenities at the PC screen towards the people on the game, think about doing bad things to them etc etc.. sometimes rage at people in whispers (Friends mind you)...but I've all out abandoned swearing in local chat because of trigger happy reporters. But I still feel good knowing I'm swearing at them and they can't ban me irl because they don't know I'm doing it.
Also sometimes I just like swearing, the F word is my magical key to happy times.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran
Screenshot please.
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Now you can laugh too
Redfeather1975
Gareth, do you remember a topic were people were talking about getting suspended for spamming something in a private chat with a friend?
It was people testing to see if there was some kind of language bot in the game.
Gaile said Dickens.
/me does a Peter Griffin laugh
It was people testing to see if there was some kind of language bot in the game.
Gaile said Dickens.
/me does a Peter Griffin laugh
Roshi_ikkyu
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Originally Posted by jrk247
Swearing is pretty tasteless but everyone does it, don't think you should be banned for it because this game is rated T and even has a swear filter. If you honestly don't want to see swear words GET THE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO OFF THE INTERNET, tbh.
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Who are you to define the orders of the internet.
Anyway I'm out of the thread its kinda just repeating and getting clogged with personal ideals.... there always far to hard to clean out of a convo.
garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
Gareth, do you remember a topic were people were talking about getting suspended for spamming something in a private chat with a friend?
It was people testing to see if there was some kind of language bot in the game. |
But the majority have the stiff morals so I just agree with them and carry on with my offensiveness in private.
Shuuda
Simple. Swearing should not be banned, but filter evading should be.
Redfeather1975
Oh, I was only curious if it was figured out if the person was suspended because a bot picked up on what was said, as I thought several people tried on purpose to spam words in private chat with people they knew wouldn't report them, and the people claimed they got a suspension.
But I wasn't sure if it was true.
But I wasn't sure if it was true.
DivineEnvoy
Chat filter is defined as a filtration option to replace a number of assigned inappropriate volcabularies with "-" icons. Knowing this, we should understand that this filtration can only filter a limited number of so-called inappropriate words, and even though it is filtered, the user will be aware of that he is being cussed of as the "-" icons will still appear. In other words, we should know chat filter can only decrease the uncomfort caused by inappropriate language, but not erase it throughly.
Secondly, inappropriate language can be defined in various levels. By reading through the thread, I believe that no one knows the exact level of this inappropriate language had been conducted other than the OP. However, we do know that the level of inappropriateness is enough to get the OP a 64 hours bann, and that's enough for us to believe that he has done enough for the punishment based on Anet's standard.
Lastly, the so-called freedom of one expressing himself by using inappropriate language is only valid under circumstances. We need to understand that other people have freedom as well: the freedom of not being disturbed by inappropriate languages. Knowing this, we should understand that boundaries are set to enforce the comforts for both parties. In this case, the OP has crossed the line, and therefore proper punishment has been conducted. That sounds fair to me.
Secondly, inappropriate language can be defined in various levels. By reading through the thread, I believe that no one knows the exact level of this inappropriate language had been conducted other than the OP. However, we do know that the level of inappropriateness is enough to get the OP a 64 hours bann, and that's enough for us to believe that he has done enough for the punishment based on Anet's standard.
Lastly, the so-called freedom of one expressing himself by using inappropriate language is only valid under circumstances. We need to understand that other people have freedom as well: the freedom of not being disturbed by inappropriate languages. Knowing this, we should understand that boundaries are set to enforce the comforts for both parties. In this case, the OP has crossed the line, and therefore proper punishment has been conducted. That sounds fair to me.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
I think it's habit Fril. I had a roommate who swore every second word. Everywhere. And had to be told to shut up all the time.
I know he wasn't stupid, because he would get embarassed when he realized what he'd done. My current roommate only swears when he's drunk. If he's sober and swears it's a shock to everyone. It's strange. As for me, when anyone has heard me swear, they always say how incredibly weird it was to hear me swear, as I just don't do it. |
I do swear, and often regret it. Not that I hate expressing emotions, but it's totally inappropriate and useless. Keeping calm or doing some kind of physical (constructive) activity is much better.
Oh and btw, people swearing are not stupid. On the contrary I know a lot of smart people who swear (let's forget about drunkards
). My messages are just here to rectify one point: this is NOT normal behaviour, as the general population does not swear. Swearing sometimes appear "cool" or even "trendy" (British TV has this show where the cook Gordon Ramsey swears all the time, it's called "the F word"), but from a language point of view it's generally a step backward. But we're only humans!
Lady Raenef
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Originally Posted by Shuuda
Simple. Swearing should not be banned, but filter evading should be.
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Or, instead of stars, Anet should do a copy and make all cuss words become...
"BLUE ENGINE GOBLUE ENGINE GOBLUE ENGINE GOBLUE ENGINE GOing monk!"
Redfeather1975
All the cussing should appear as
"I liek teh mudkipz"
"I liek teh mudkipz"
Coridan
I rarely swear ingame...and if i do its on team/whisper channel.
I run the game with the filter on....and the only time i report for language is when some idiot is in RA/TA/PVP areas....and spamming
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
Thats when i report!
I run the game with the filter on....and the only time i report for language is when some idiot is in RA/TA/PVP areas....and spamming
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
XXXX says: ****
Thats when i report!
SirJackassIII
/sigh
Problem number 1:
A little example:
Someone spamming all-chat with crap like this:
KILL ALL BLACK PEOPLE!!11!!!!
ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS AND SHUD DIE!!!111!!!
This is not picked up by swear filter. However, it's probably considered inappropriate language by a lot of people, even those who turn the chat filter off. So, what this topic is suggesting, is that people like that can not be reported by people who turned off the chat filter? Yeah, that helps...
Problem number 2:
- Whoops, I can't report you because my chat filter is off. *turns chat filter on* /report
I doubt ANet bans for small things like F-word, S-word, Damn,... because, well, that's just silly, een if loads of people reported him. People today get loads of that already from TV.
So, instead of figuring out if the reports need changing, I'd rather ask what the OP said in all chat that got him banned in the first place.
Problem number 1:
A little example:
Someone spamming all-chat with crap like this:
KILL ALL BLACK PEOPLE!!11!!!!
ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS AND SHUD DIE!!!111!!!
This is not picked up by swear filter. However, it's probably considered inappropriate language by a lot of people, even those who turn the chat filter off. So, what this topic is suggesting, is that people like that can not be reported by people who turned off the chat filter? Yeah, that helps...
Problem number 2:
- Whoops, I can't report you because my chat filter is off. *turns chat filter on* /report
I doubt ANet bans for small things like F-word, S-word, Damn,... because, well, that's just silly, een if loads of people reported him. People today get loads of that already from TV.
So, instead of figuring out if the reports need changing, I'd rather ask what the OP said in all chat that got him banned in the first place.
Tyla
i agree...
but unless its something on a worse level (Racism, ect..) - that should be bannable.
but unless its something on a worse level (Racism, ect..) - that should be bannable.
MrSlayer
If you don't like swearing, turn chat filters on. Don't bitch and moan about not swearing in the first place...what planet are you people from?
quickmonty
Always a very touchy subject. People swear to express themselves. I hear it everyday and do it myself, vocally. However, in-game chat is a little different than a vocal conversation. Saying "What the ****!" is sort of an unconcious thing. Typing it and hitting <enter> is a deliberate act. Think before you hit <enter>.
Also: Wether or not you think you have the right to swear, there are rules to the game ..... rules that YOU agreed to abide by "signing" the EULA. You break the rules and get caught, you get banned.
Also: Wether or not you think you have the right to swear, there are rules to the game ..... rules that YOU agreed to abide by "signing" the EULA. You break the rules and get caught, you get banned.
ThyNecromancer
See... this is where anet has no set rules for swearing. I went to report someone who cussed me out like mad for no reason. Anet's response to me was to turn on the chat filter and he didn't get locked. But other players can say the "F" word and get banned for a few days.
MithranArkanere
The chat filter do not work correctly with all words and all languages.
Even with the chat filter dumb and hate speech can be seen.
If a mad guy starts advertising Nazi propaganda, that's reportable too.
Even with the chat filter dumb and hate speech can be seen.
If a mad guy starts advertising Nazi propaganda, that's reportable too.
Kusandaa
People turning off filters to ban others are the same type who'd try to beat me up IRL if they learned I was gay. "Cleaning" a game vs. "cleaning" the earth. I saw the behaviour A LOT in Yahoo Chats.
I found out that to slightly provoke them triggers the same cursing and hatred that they think they're cleaning the room/game/chat of... pointing out a fallacy/hypocrisy is usually the best way of shutting someone up. Then they start insluting back, proving your point... too bad they don't listen and continously say that they're right...
I found out that to slightly provoke them triggers the same cursing and hatred that they think they're cleaning the room/game/chat of... pointing out a fallacy/hypocrisy is usually the best way of shutting someone up. Then they start insluting back, proving your point... too bad they don't listen and continously say that they're right...
MrSlayer
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People turning off filters to ban others are the same type who'd try to beat me up IRL if they learned I was gay. "Cleaning" a game vs. "cleaning" the earth. I saw the behaviour A LOT in Yahoo Chats.
I found out that to slightly provoke them triggers the same cursing and hatred that they think they're cleaning the room/game/chat of... pointing out a fallacy/hypocrisy is usually the best way of shutting someone up. Then they start insluting back, proving your point... too bad they don't listen and continously say that they're right... |
Not a SINGLE one of you here can say you've never once cursed. And if you claim it, I'm sorry but then I'm calling your bluff. Wait what's that forum term? "Screenshots or it never happened"?
And what is the bullshit about "typing it in a game is a conscious act because you hit enter"? I type in a game EXACTLY like I talk. I use capitals when I would emphasise a word, _like this_ for a different style emphasis and I curse just like normal. Maybe I spend too much time on the internet, but I like to be able to read people from any form of communication, and thus I type in a way which allows people to read me back (sub-consciously). I swear not because it's pre-meditated, or because I am raging, but because it seems like it fits, I find it needed or I'm expressing myself. The curse filter is there to be used, and as Kusandaa stated, turning it off to get someone bans shows the rest of the world just one thing; you don't mind the cursing in the least, you're just a horrible person who probably needs a good personality wake-up call.