A Litany of Comparison: GW and World of Warcraft

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Originally Posted by Ctb
No, but I do think poorly of some of the people who play these games. Any way you slice it, sitting at your computer for 10 hours a day grinding away at raids, wrecking your marriage, and ignoring your family isn't respectable, and I won't respect those people.
That's only if they play ten hours a day and ignore their family, in which case yes I can understand your frustration. I don't run into a whole lot of those kinds of people, though.

(I also don't know of any raids that take 10 hours a day...)

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Originally Posted by Ctb
The rest of the players who just play for fun now and then? I couldn't possibly care less about them one way or another since I don't know them.
You don't know the people who grind away their life, either.

@Tyla: Meh, it was bound to happen some day. Glad it's Fril, though.

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Originally Posted by Tyla
Yay for thread res.
You could of just gave him the URL or told him to search for this specific thread, couldn't you?

Anyway, already said, it's not reviews, or whatever people say, if you like a game, you like a game.
It's all about your decisions in the end.
Actually, I'll tell you the truth: I did in on purpose so that everyone can see what should be done. I could have PM'ed him/her the info, no pb, but then you should ask 2 questions: why are people still posting here? Which should lead to you to realise that people don't read threads anymore, 90% of GWGers add the same links to a very long chain, not to mention the +1 one-liners. But if you read this thread (it's going to take you 1h probably, btw I'm saying "you" but I'm not targetting you!) you'll realise it's a great one. I thread-res'd it so that people could see that, not so that they could add to the chain.

Almost everything was said, now it's only a rephrasing of previous posts, switch and change words, but nothing really changes: some people love one or the other for legit reasons (matter of personal taste) and both games have pros and cons, overall it's a "fuzzy tie", Shrodinger's 50-50.

Hey Bryant! Great avatar, where does it come from?

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Very Nice thread Zinger, you've proved that you arent a grumpy old troll.

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Originally Posted by Ctb
No, but I do think poorly of some of the people who play these games. Any way you slice it, sitting at your computer for 10 hours a day grinding away at raids, wrecking your marriage, and ignoring your family isn't respectable, and I won't respect those people.
Agreed 100%

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
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Hmm...okeh....
I don't really play WoW and stopped playing after about 3 days (I didn't like it much).

But hey, for each his own. (I don't even know what that means, hurray!)

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Originally Posted by Tyla
But hey, for each his own. (I don't even know what that means, hurray!)
It means some people prefer apples over oranges, and vice versa.

Added the quote for clarity.

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No, but I do think poorly of some of the people who play these games. Any way you slice it, sitting at your computer for 10 hours a day grinding away at raids, wrecking your marriage, and ignoring your family isn't respectable, and I won't respect those people.
It happens in Guild Wars too dude, you just don't hear about it because GW only has 5 million copies sold across 4 games, and WoW has 10 million subscribers with 20+ million copies sold across 2 games, and therefore its bigger, and therefore the media is going to target it because media sucks.

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
It happens in Guild Wars too dude, you just don't hear about it because GW only has 5 million copies sold across 4 games, and WoW has 10 million subscribers with 20+ million copies sold across 2 games, and therefore its bigger, and therefore the media is going to target it because media sucks.

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Only a minority of people play 10+ hours a day, the majority are people with normal lives, World of Warcraft is by no means more addictive than any other MMO. Its the person who gets addicted to the game, not the game making people addicted.

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Originally Posted by Deathly_Overlord
QFT

Only a minority of people play 10+ hours a day, the majority are people with normal lives, World of Warcraft is by no means more addictive than any other MMO. Its the person who gets addicted to the game, not the game making people addicted.
WoW is definitely designed to keep you playing on almost a malicious level. Denying that is pretty retarded.

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Its a matter of opinion and the ability to control yourself.

And are you one of the people who think that Anet is an evil corporation out to make Guild Wars bad for everyone?

Its just a game.

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World of warcraft is better than Guild Wars.

Guild Wars is better than World of Warcraft.

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Originally Posted by Ctb
That's one thing that's annoyed me about Guild Wars for awhile now. The amount of time invested in doing things never pays off anymore, so if you don't feel like doing something for the sake of doing it (which for those of us who've gone through all the storylines is most things), there's no motivation to do it. You race up to level 20, hit the cap, finish the storyline, save enough money for an elite armor and some nifty looking perfect weapons... and then nothing's left.
So? Surely you got your $30/$40/$50's (per campaign) worth out of playing through the storyline a couple of times in each campaign/expansion with different character classses? Why do you need more if the endgame content (ie, the vanity grind and several elite areas) doesn't appeal to you?

I've played through Prophecies and EotN once each now (though I have 3 other characters also going through - one at the Desert and 2 others still in Old Ascalon) and definitely find that I've already gotten my money's worth, and will have no regrets about moving on to a different game if one comes along that interests me.

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Originally Posted by Turtle222
World of warcraft is better than Guild Wars.
Guild Wars is better than World of Warcraft.
Hence, Guild Wars is better than itself. Even God cannot create a game so wonderful that He cannot improve it. Therefore, Anet are better than God. QED.

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Originally Posted by Deathly_Overlord
Its a matter of opinion and the ability to control yourself.

And are you one of the people who think that Anet is an evil corporation out to make Guild Wars bad for everyone?

Its just a game.

Gawd
No, it is just dumb to think they designed the game so people would play and then leave. They make their money from the subscriptions. I mean, I do not think I should need to point this out, it is obvious to anyone that has played even a little bit, they want your money each month so they design quests and goals that will keep you paying for the right to keep playing.

Every game is like this to some extent, but WoW is horrible for it, yeah some of it has to do with the personalities of the players but most of it is by design and these types are just easy to lure in to that sort of system. Gawd.

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Originally Posted by Esan
Hence, Guild Wars is better than itself. Even God cannot create a game so wonderful that He cannot improve it. Therefore, Anet are better than God. QED.
Wouldn't that mean that WoW is also better than itself?

And is it me or did the world just explode?

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Originally Posted by AJD
WoW is definitely designed to keep you playing on almost a malicious level. Denying that is pretty retarded.
I wouldn't call it malicious. A small list of "grinding fixes" include:
-Making leveling easier and quicker than ever (my quests get green before I finish them)
-Provide badge items which lessen the numbers one has to go through a dungeon
-Add numerous dailies that make it very possible to get 5000 gold in nearly a month
-Lower the reputation requirement for heroics by one whole tier
-Removing all 70 dungeon attunements, sans heroics

Yes there is "grind", but it's an MMO so I can understand it. Plus, I've never found it to specifically damage or "get in the way" of my gaming experience. The only time I've found myself bored was in the 45-50 level range, but Maraudon solved that.

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd
I've played through Prophecies and EotN once each now (though I have 3 other characters also going through - one at the Desert and 2 others still in Old Ascalon) and definitely find that I've already gotten my money's worth, and will have no regrets about moving on to a different game if one comes along that interests me.
This here is one of the largest reasons I don't call Guild Wars an MMO: It's just an RPG, nothing to keep you hooked. Play the game, play through the story, and you're done. Yes you *can* grind in it, but there's no reason to - which is good. It's never been in ANet's intentions to "addict" anyone.

To the person below me: Oh harsh, yo

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I agree with AJD, mainly because his avatar is godly.

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Quite intuitive, I agree on a lot of this. Especially the bit on how GW has gone grind, completely true.
A+ if I had to grade it

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The likelihood of salvation rests now on some quaint mod's fate, and the choice that mod must make to ensure to stability of this world.

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Originally Posted by AJD
WoW is definitely designed to keep you playing on almost a malicious level. Denying that is pretty retarded.
So...does...Guild Wars?

If you aren't playing, you're probably bored with the game, and being bored with the game means you probably won't be too interested in GW2. = bad.

This is why they added stuff to grind for...like titles....and super rare crap...

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No offense, but zinger its not the most qualified persone and player to say something about anything.
Seriously, look at his previous posts.

Iv red some of what he said and here is the resume: HE doesnt like GW and likes WOW and he created a thread based on his opinion.

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
So...does...Guild Wars?

If you aren't playing, you're probably bored with the game, and being bored with the game means you probably won't be too interested in GW2. = bad.
First of all, that does not necessarily follow at all.

By that logic, if I did not like 2001: A Space Odyssey then I would not like Full Metal Jacket or The Shining either. Doesn't make sense now does it?

Also, I am bored now, that is true I still play GW though but it is kind of natural to get bored of a game after 3 years, some of our new members in the guild are WoW transplants that got sick of that game. Does this mean I will find GW 2 boring? I do not see how it would if I enjoyed the first one so much for so long, so what I am really saying here is I am not sure if what you are saying makes any sense.

[edit]Also what Greg said...Zingeri tried to make this same thread over on the other unofficial site but we pretty much all knew he is super biased. 4th post in this thread for example. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10281815

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First of all, that does not necessarily follow at all.

By that logic, if I did not like 2001: A Space Odyssey then I would not like Full Metal Jacket or The Shining either. Doesn't make sense now does it?
...

because...2001: ASO and Full Metal Jacket and The Shining are all sequels and part of the same series.

o wait.

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because...2001: ASO and Full Metal Jacket and The Shining are all sequels and part of the same series.

o wait.
I guess you failed to notice that I said I still like GW and that even if I am bored now I still had many, many hours of enjoyment from the game, so what makes you think that people who may not play a lot now but got tons of enjoyment out of it will not like the sequel equally?

Even if I used a flawed metaphor you still used flawed logic to prove a point that doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Gregslot
No offense, but zinger its not the most qualified persone and player to say something about anything.
Seriously, look at his previous posts.

Iv red some of what he said and here is the resume: HE doesnt like GW and likes WOW and he created a thread based on his opinion.
And he likes Guru forums because it is a persistent world but less grindy than WoW.

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Originally Posted by Gregslot
No offense, but zinger its not the most qualified persone and player to say something about anything.
Seriously, look at his previous posts.

Iv red some of what he said and here is the resume: HE doesnt like GW and likes WOW and he created a thread based on his opinion.
Yes, I'm certainly more qualified for actually having played WoW, instead of basing my opinions on apparent "omg WOW steals lives!" propaganda, as "qualified" people here like to use as arguments.

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Originally Posted by AJD
[edit]Also what Greg said...Zingeri tried to make this same thread over on the other unofficial site but we pretty much all knew he is super biased. 4th post in this thread for example. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10281815
Erm, that post is based on relative fact, and relatively unbias.

There's also lowbie-drought in WoW too.

I will restate again that I have not played WoW since August 2007, and do not currently have an active account, before anyone cries "fanboi!"

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Yes, I'm certainly more qualified for actually having played WoW, instead of basing my opinions on apparent "omg WOW steals lives!" propaganda, as "qualified" people here like to use as arguments.
And who said i NEVER played WoW? (level 56 human paladin Gregory at Dentarg)

Even if i didint, my opinion is more solid than yours just for the simple fact that everyone knows you here for complaining about everything in life. So therefore you showed us that you are uncapable of seeing ANY positive aspect without having to state a negative aspect along with it, giving more emphasis to the bad aspect.
And dont even think about replaying with stuff like "at least im popular" because it will only give a idiotic view of your person.
Anyone that doubts me, including you, can take a quick look at your posts and will surelly agree with me.

Pardon me if i offended you at any moment, but that is also based on relative facts.
And someone has to say it to you. Im sure someone already said it before. If they did, you should start taking into cosideration their words. If not, well, then you are either surrounded by patient and relaxed people or either you have been spoiled too much by your surroundings.

And as a conclusion, even though you tried to separete your own opinion from the "facts", you were unable to do it completly. Therefore you comparison "failed" for weighting to one side more than another while stating the "facts", mixing your opinion with the aspects of the game.
You can very well feel, sense and notice that what i say it is true by looking at your speech and arguments while observing your personality.
Therefore this comparison is nothing but a subjective statement.

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Originally Posted by Gregslot
Even if i didint, my opinion is more solid than yours just for the simple fact that everyone knows you here for complaining about everything in life.
It's ironic. You claim that I have an inflated ego, yet your's is far worse.

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Tried both, picked guild wars.

I'm not going to repeats whats already been said, I'm just going to say what I cannot live with in a game. Server separations between friends. I know at least 20 friends that play wow, but no more than 2 people are ever on the same server... because no one can agree on the types of server to play on... pvp, normal, hi-pop, low pop etc. WoW is not a server friendly game, shut downs are often and many in between.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to shy away from wow, it's definitely worth checking out and it is a pretty dynamic world, but just don't expect to run into any of your friends because its most likely they're playing in their own servers and the people on your server are only interested in killing you.

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By that logic, if I did not like 2001: A Space Odyssey then I would not like Full Metal Jacket or The Shining either. Doesn't make sense now does it?
Your comparison doesn't make sense. If you're going to compare different Kubrick movies, you should compare different ANET games. If you're going to compare sequels like GW2 to GW1, you should compare 2010 to 2001.

Though that comparison probably still isn't apt since 2010 is so insanely different from 2001 in style, substance, and poignancy that they're barely even in the same genre...

In fact, it's somewhat ironic you chose that example since Stanley Kubrick was a man who's tastes and style varied so wildly from one work to the next that upon initial inspection there's no obvious way to say that he did or did not do any particular piece of cinema...

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Even if I used a flawed metaphor you still used flawed logic to prove a point that doesn't exist.
Heh....

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shut downs are often and many in between.
That's not really true any more. In the five total months I've played, I've only seen two downtimes outside of scheduled maintenance periods, and one was a result of the big 2.0 patch. I haven't played for months, however. Not since they hooked me for another month with their lies about the lowered leveling requirements (that one falls under the category of "I don't really believe there's a distinction between things that suck and things that blow...")

I have, however, heard a number of other people say that they also have problems getting together with friends because of the fractured server system. I especially here that out of people who played early on and got stuck on a server outside their timezone during launches (Blizzard totally bungled the server launches and brought up the West Coast first, then moved East, which, of course, meant all the initial subscribers just crammed themselves onto the west coast servers as soon as they went live no matter where they were geographically).

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It's ironic. You claim that I have an inflated ego, yet your's is far worse.
Argument & topic aside Zinger, you can't expect to be taken seriously for playing one game and posting on the forum of another about that game. How many times have you told other people- Okay, thats fine and dandy but I don't give a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, GTFO my internet. Thats what most GW guru members will think when they see your posts. Now I'm not saying you would say something like that to someone else, its just an example to get my point across. After all.. If someone who recently quit GW for Lineage 2 came back and decided to start a bunch of threads, and post about how much more fun L2 is than GW... Well what would you think of that?

I'm not trying to prove you wrong or even talk about the GW vs WoW debate, just simply stating why a topic like this will never be 100% constructive responses.

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ugh, bookmarked. will come back to edit this into a reply, very good post, but quite long.

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I'm not trying to prove you wrong or even talk about the GW vs WoW debate, just simply stating why a topic like this will never be 100% constructive responses.
Stop the personal attacks, it's not only pointless but also against forum rules. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'll say that this thread is very constructive. I personally learned a lot and there are very interesting contributions, but one has to read the thread, not the last posts. So let's definitely stop this side of the discussion here and now, for good.

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Interesting, albeit somewhat biased towards wow. Me and my friend (who has played wow since forever) will do another comparison, hopefully without biased stuff. Since that I'm a somewhat pro-GW person, while he is a somewhat pro-wow person.

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Thanks, Fril.

Ctb: What's this "lie" about lowered leveling requirements you mentioned up there?

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I do rather like WoW's dungeons, though. I know Anet tried with Eye of the North, but...it really didn't work, though I can't pinpoint quite why.
Because there was nothing different about them than the rest of the game. All they did was stack 3 different zones on top of each other and then put a boss and a chest at the end. The rest was nothing unique/different than the rest of guild wars, imo.

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Originally Posted by Diabloâ„¢
Tried both, picked guild wars.

I'm not going to repeats whats already been said, I'm just going to say what I cannot live with in a game. Server separations between friends. I know at least 20 friends that play wow, but no more than 2 people are ever on the same server... because no one can agree on the types of server to play on... pvp, normal, hi-pop, low pop etc. WoW is not a server friendly game, shut downs are often and many in between.
That is why I'm growing increasingly sick of it. Level 60 paladin, forced to do dungeons for my epic mount. I ran into someone who spoke about it. He said the server is so bad for getting a group together, he left it until level 70 and soloed it.

And what do I have to do to go to another server? Either pay for it or reroll on another server which MAY or may NOT be exactly the same.

Of course the game itself isn't too bad. I like the whole exploring the world thing, as opposed to Guild Wars being nothing but instances. Both games have their ups and downs, but I hardly think one can be described as better than the other.